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I have no problem with Dublin playing keep ball as its within the rules and they were good enough to be able to do it. I do have a problem with how the black card does not appear to apply to certain teams. The Dublin corner back should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes for an off the ball tackle and in the second half a Donegal player was in a one in one in front of goals when he was taken down with what would normally be called a rugby tackle -another black card. The analysis as usual on TV was very poor.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 15/07/2018 10:55:43    2121963

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I was at the game.

Not sure what it looked like on tv but Donegal we're trying to win back possession. Easier said than done.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 15/07/2018 11:01:50    2121966

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Replying To Damothedub:  "And you'd say as much if it was Kerry?? Do you have an ounce of honesty?? Personally I hate what Dublin did it's not why I pay my bucks , I can understand last two three minutes but we started the crap way to early, as we are not professional I don't see why we are in a winner is all business, but before I dump on my own county I'd. be interested in how many Honest supporters out there actually give a crap if their team done it"
I understand you might not like dublin knocking it around Damo but as one of the sharpest Dublin fans on here I'm perplexed that you don't respect why they did it yesterday. Tyrone had literally not needed to break a sweat beating Roscommon. We have a massive battle in Omagh next week and even though we have a strong squad, we want everyone fit over the next few weeks. The onus was on donegal to come at us and win the ball back but they seemed to accept that the game was lost.. We where saving ourselves for next week. while id love nothing more than for us to batter teams like donegal Tyrone etc you need to be sensible.

you say that because the sport isn't professional you don't see why it's a win mentality. come on, when you start out the dream is to win things and play your sport on the biggest levels on the biggest days. These are no different. not to mention they've won 3 all irelands in a row. I'm sure the motivation is to try and win 4 or 5 and put their names down among the other great teams and continue to drive. Their motivation is to win. proper order. I think it's very astute and clever from Dublin yesterday. don't bring the ball into the tackle.. let them come for us ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 15/07/2018 11:13:51    2121972

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "You miss the point here as so many others have done.

Traditional championship football is a one off game with a minimum two week break after each game. It is a do or die effort with no second chances.

The Super 8's is different, it is a league competition with the goal for each team being one of the coveted top two places at the end of the series of three games. So it should come as no surprise that Dublin didn't go hell for leather in the last 10 minutes with a difficult away game in Omagh next week while for Donegal their biggest weakness has been a very porous defence which they went a long way towards shoring up yesterday.

Asfor trying to dispossesss Dublin, it's very difficult to do that to a top class side if they are intent on keeping the ball & at that stage of the game I'd say Donegal were in energy conservation mode as well. It was a warm evening & playing Dublin is an energy sapping business."
and factor in the pitch temperature last night - quite suffocating you can't blame either team for the way the last ten minutes panned out.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 15/07/2018 11:17:18    2121974

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Replying To browncows:  "I have no problem with Dublin playing keep ball as its within the rules and they were good enough to be able to do it. I do have a problem with how the black card does not appear to apply to certain teams. The Dublin corner back should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes for an off the ball tackle and in the second half a Donegal player was in a one in one in front of goals when he was taken down with what would normally be called a rugby tackle -another black card. The analysis as usual on TV was very poor."
I agree the dublin player fitzsimons was blessed but then there was an incident that the big screen caught too which the ref done nothing about where mdmca got a fist to theat face from a donegal player. I mean, it was blatant. not saying it was a red or black but it deserved punishment. But sure why bring that up. doesn't fit your agenda.

bloody hate people's hypocrisy. I'm sure if we go over every single decision the ref made you'd see mistakes for both sides. People just watch games with this dislike of dublin and look for excuses as to why they beat teams.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 15/07/2018 11:18:50    2121975

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Last ten minutes was a bore, the ole ole'ing with every pass was probably music to the ears of the Dubs & the President who surely must be getting thank you letters from all other Leinster counties for their financial windfall from the Dubs run. Possibly the only one not thankful to him will be Colm O Rourke, the recipient of a very cheap dig from a man supposed to be representing the whole Association not just one county. The ole ole's will hopefully be few & far between as the whole country get behind Tyrone in the Battle of Omagh part two next week.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 15/07/2018 11:31:59    2121977

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Replying To browncows:  "I have no problem with Dublin playing keep ball as its within the rules and they were good enough to be able to do it. I do have a problem with how the black card does not appear to apply to certain teams. The Dublin corner back should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes for an off the ball tackle and in the second half a Donegal player was in a one in one in front of goals when he was taken down with what would normally be called a rugby tackle -another black card. The analysis as usual on TV was very poor."
You only seem to see things from one vantage point and I doubt you'd ever make an arguement in Dublins favour but consider the amount of times the free count has been massively in favour of the opposition and tell me that Dublin were guilty in every instance while getting all the frees that could on another day gone in their favour.
It's easy when you only want a team to loose to find faults as to why they won.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 15/07/2018 11:37:28    2121978

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What's the story with Mark McHugh; he never got a game yesterday; noticed him warming up and after Dublin's second goal he looked to stop warming up and throw his bib off after having words with the selector and retreated to the stand not to appear again; he didn't look happy not to be playing

hithimhard (Tyrone) - Posts: 20 - 15/07/2018 11:40:01    2121980

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Replying To waynoI:  "I agree the dublin player fitzsimons was blessed but then there was an incident that the big screen caught too which the ref done nothing about where mdmca got a fist to theat face from a donegal player. I mean, it was blatant. not saying it was a red or black but it deserved punishment. But sure why bring that up. doesn't fit your agenda.

bloody hate people's hypocrisy. I'm sure if we go over every single decision the ref made you'd see mistakes for both sides. People just watch games with this dislike of dublin and look for excuses as to why they beat teams."
You are now a mind reader! -paranoid come to mind and so you think everyone hates ye. I never have a problem with the best team winning and believe that good teams, well managed get out of it what they put in. Obviously Refs make mistakes like everyone else but some mistakes like the rugby tackle was very obvious and difficult to see how it was not clear-cut to the ref. I was not at the game so I only comment on what I saw on tv.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 15/07/2018 11:47:39    2121985

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Replying To paddy92:  "Some people have actually not got a clue .

Dublin were cruising in that match and Donegal were physically exhausted in final 10 and it's not just as simple as pushing up and 'go for it '. Dublin would possibly rattle in 2 or 3 more goals at their ease . Donegal were not able to go for it . Match was over .

Dublin never looked in danger despite it only being 5 - serious team.

Referees performance beggared belief at times .

Not the winning and losing of the match but the fouling of the ball by Dublin was farcial at times but that's not their fault .

Dublin play 15 behind for long periods too but their transition it incredible.

They were never in danger yesterday - not once.

The team to beat again .

I thought it was an impossible task without our best forward."
Fully agree with you. Donegal were out of it in the final quarter. Nothing left in the tank.
Dublin just conserved their energy and played keep ball.
There's certainly an argument for teams playing on a weekly basis before the super 8s.
Theyre adapted in nice time.
This is Dublins to loose again this year.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/07/2018 11:58:49    2121991

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I think people are clutching at straws with the possession football topic. The game was over and it would have been mindless of Dublin to run at Donegal for several reasons.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 15/07/2018 12:00:27    2121994

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I was at the game.

Not sure what it looked like on tv but Donegal we're trying to win back possession. Easier said than done."
I don't think they were really going for it Whammo.

I was on the Hill and McGee was in the D marking no one for the last 15 mins. You must go man for man if you want the ball back from any serious team.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 15/07/2018 12:03:49    2121997

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "You only seem to see things from one vantage point and I doubt you'd ever make an arguement in Dublins favour but consider the amount of times the free count has been massively in favour of the opposition and tell me that Dublin were guilty in every instance while getting all the frees that could on another day gone in their favour.
It's easy when you only want a team to loose to find faults as to why they won."
Spot on....

Dubs are being criticised because it is Dublin. So easy to criticise a team or county you dont like or dont want to win.

The amount of black card offences in games that are not commented on, but once Dublin, or even an Ulster team do it - then the bandwagon scribes are out in force.....

Also, as other posters have commented, including one from Donegal, Dublin closed out the game with a few things in mind:
2pts and a win
reserve energy
ensure no injuries late on,
especially with a tough game v Tyrone in Omagh coming up in 6days.

Any team would do the same - yet we get lambasted for it... Mmmmmm....

As for next week and an away match against a formidable Tyrone team - as Dean Rock said in his interview - Bring it on..!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 15/07/2018 12:05:22    2121998

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Replying To paddy92:  "Some people have actually not got a clue .

Dublin were cruising in that match and Donegal were physically exhausted in final 10 and it's not just as simple as pushing up and 'go for it '. Dublin would possibly rattle in 2 or 3 more goals at their ease . Donegal were not able to go for it . Match was over .

Dublin never looked in danger despite it only being 5 - serious team.

Referees performance beggared belief at times .

Not the winning and losing of the match but the fouling of the ball by Dublin was farcial at times but that's not their fault .

Dublin play 15 behind for long periods too but their transition it incredible.

They were never in danger yesterday - not once.

The team to beat again .

I thought it was an impossible task without our best forward."
I meant to add that as a neutral watching it I thought on balance the ref did make a few wrong decisions. The biggest one being the advantage that should have been given as Donegal were fouled again while playing advantage in a very score able position. Refs are going to have to get better help from the fourth official.
Think everyone is waiting to see which ref gets next week's Dublin V Tyrone match.
All bar one ref will be accepted.
Just hope that the GAA don't plump for theat one.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/07/2018 12:08:11    2122000

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "Last ten minutes was a bore, the ole ole'ing with every pass was probably music to the ears of the Dubs & the President who surely must be getting thank you letters from all other Leinster counties for their financial windfall from the Dubs run. Possibly the only one not thankful to him will be Colm O Rourke, the recipient of a very cheap dig from a man supposed to be representing the whole Association not just one county. The ole ole's will hopefully be few & far between as the whole country get behind Tyrone in the Battle of Omagh part two next week."
Snore.

The olés only started as a response to a chorus of booing from Donegal fans.

The Donegal fans would have been better served directing their frustrations at their own team, who idiotically persisted with sweepers even though time was running out and they were down by six points.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 15/07/2018 12:16:38    2122002

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "Last ten minutes was a bore, the ole ole'ing with every pass was probably music to the ears of the Dubs & the President who surely must be getting thank you letters from all other Leinster counties for their financial windfall from the Dubs run. Possibly the only one not thankful to him will be Colm O Rourke, the recipient of a very cheap dig from a man supposed to be representing the whole Association not just one county. The ole ole's will hopefully be few & far between as the whole country get behind Tyrone in the Battle of Omagh part two next week."
You'll find the donegal contingent will be hoping for a Dublin landslide next week, as a tyrone win puts us out effectively.

ballboy101 (Donegal) - Posts: 204 - 15/07/2018 12:18:18    2122003

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Replying To Joxer:  "See many explanations above as to why Dublin played the way they did in the last 15. Amazed that you can't see this. But anyway, tell us how and more importantly WHY Dublin should have played any differently and put their lead at risk?"
I'm sure hes well able to answer for himself but I don't see where he's questioning or criticising anything Dublin did yesterday. Just calling out the b/s and media myth that Dublinplay any differently than the rest of the top teams. They'll do what they need to do to win. Should it be playing about with ball in their own half or dropping 14 men behind the ball

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 15/07/2018 12:25:48    2122005

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I don't think they were really going for it Whammo.

I was on the Hill and McGee was in the D marking no one for the last 15 mins. You must go man for man if you want the ball back from any serious team."
I get your point but at the same time Croke Park is a large area, it's very tough for 15 men to cover it all when their opposition has little incentive to attack.

The spare man materialized as 3 Dublin defenders being marked by 2 Donegal forwards for the backwards pass. It didn't work yesterday but I felt it a smart enough use of their men.

They put plenty of pressure on the ball. Dublin really did work it around well.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 15/07/2018 12:43:28    2122010

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Replying To browncows:  "I have no problem with Dublin playing keep ball as its within the rules and they were good enough to be able to do it. I do have a problem with how the black card does not appear to apply to certain teams. The Dublin corner back should have got a black card in the first 5 minutes for an off the ball tackle and in the second half a Donegal player was in a one in one in front of goals when he was taken down with what would normally be called a rugby tackle -another black card. The analysis as usual on TV was very poor."
You forgot to mention the most obvious black card of the night when Michael Murphy deliberately foot tripped a Dublin player on the Cusack stand side of the pitch. Or is it only potential Dublin black cards that count?

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 15/07/2018 12:50:55    2122015

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Replying To AHP:  "You forgot to mention the most obvious black card of the night when Michael Murphy deliberately foot tripped a Dublin player on the Cusack stand side of the pitch. Or is it only potential Dublin black cards that count?"
Exactly....!

Selective condemnation of decisions, performances and tactics....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3725 - 15/07/2018 13:03:32    2122028

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