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Replying To waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/07/2018 16:25:23
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Replying To cavanman47: "So play it in the stadium some have an issue with but don't open the whole stadium?
I've called supporters from your county johnny-come-latelys recently in jest but now methinks I was right." Cavanman 2047.... Playing Dublin twice in Croke Park with a packed hill is a disadvantage....
Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 04/07/2018 16:48:56
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Replying To Dubsfan28: " Replying To waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 04/07/2018 17:37:11
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Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To Dubsfan28: "[quote=waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/07/2018 18:22:30
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Replying To Dubh_linn: " Replying To The_Fridge: "[quote=Dubsfan28: "[quote=waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 04/07/2018 18:34:31
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Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To Dubh_linn: "[quote=The_Fridge: "[quote=Dubsfan28: "[quote=waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
Feeling a bit left out are we ?
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/07/2018 18:43:52
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Replying To waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." Can't argue with any of that wayno.
This game will take place in Croke Park & rightfully so, those are the rules as they stand & should not be changed. However it isn't right & must be looked at for next year.
As for the timing, well that was just the icing on the cake, the game doesn't have to be played that late but is set for that time to facilitate the Dublin support at the expense of Donegal supporters. This isn't right & needs to be highlighted.
Once again, I repeat. This is not against the Dublin team or supporters, this is about a governing organisation that is supposed to oversee the organisation of the competition with fairness rather than money being the guiding light that governs their actions.
If I am mistaken & that is not the case then fair enough but we should be told.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 04/07/2018 19:13:17
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Replying To MuckrossHead: " Replying To waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." Can't argue with any of that wayno. This game will take place in Croke Park & rightfully so, those are the rules as they stand & should not be changed. However it isn't right & must be looked at for next year. As for the timing, well that was just the icing on the cake, the game doesn't have to be played that late but is set for that time to facilitate the Dublin support at the expense of Donegal supporters. This isn't right & needs to be highlighted. Once again, I repeat. This is not against the Dublin team or supporters, this is about a governing organisation that is supposed to oversee the organisation of the competition with fairness rather than money being the guiding light that governs their actions. If I am mistaken & that is not the case then fair enough but we should be told."
hithimhard (Tyrone) - Posts: 20 - 04/07/2018 19:44:03
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Replying To Dubh_linn: " Replying To The_Fridge: "[quote=Dubh_linn: "[quote=The_Fridge: "[quote=Dubsfan28: "[quote=waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
Feeling a bit left out are we ?"]No
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 04/07/2018 21:28:02
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Replying To Green_Gold: " Replying To waynoI: "YOURE ALSO WRONG
the motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.
Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council.
Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.
People need to get facts straight before posting nonsense." Look there is no chance that this game will be moved so you shouldn't worry about it. As far as I know the tickets are already being sold with the date/time/venue on them so won't get moved now. The Donegal County board asked for clarification, not to get the match moved. Would have helped if the game had been set for an earlier time though, this has p**sed people off more than the venue. Declan Bonner is probably attempting to rattle the Dubs, has to try something to knock them out of their stride I guess. Even if this was passed at congress, do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park? Surely it can't be fair to ask 1 of the Super 8 teams to play 2 of their games at the home of their opponent? All this controversy is probably good for the GAA at it will ensure a big crowd at the match."
"[I]Do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park
Of course its unfair, I never disputed that.
But its unfair on the team we are down to play in our "home" game, which is the winner of Roscommon/Armagh because the Croke Park game which was laid out 17 months ago, were the games that kicked off the super 8's were the provincial champions meeting at HQ, They are the "one croke park" games.
If Roscommon/Armagh kick up a fuss, then ive no issues with that, infact, I hope they do because theyre well within their rights to.
Donegal on the other hand.....
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 04/07/2018 21:49:47
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Replying To waynoI: " Replying To Green_Gold: "[quote=waynoI: "YOURE ALSO WRONG
the motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.
Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council.
Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.
People need to get facts straight before posting nonsense." Look there is no chance that this game will be moved so you shouldn't worry about it. As far as I know the tickets are already being sold with the date/time/venue on them so won't get moved now. The Donegal County board asked for clarification, not to get the match moved. Would have helped if the game had been set for an earlier time though, this has p**sed people off more than the venue. Declan Bonner is probably attempting to rattle the Dubs, has to try something to knock them out of their stride I guess. Even if this was passed at congress, do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park? Surely it can't be fair to ask 1 of the Super 8 teams to play 2 of their games at the home of their opponent? All this controversy is probably good for the GAA at it will ensure a big crowd at the match."
"[I]Do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park
Of course its unfair, I never disputed that.
But its unfair on the team we are down to play in our "home" game, which is the winner of Roscommon/Armagh because the Croke Park game which was laid out 17 months ago, were the games that kicked off the super 8's were the provincial champions meeting at HQ, They are the "one croke park" games.
If Roscommon/Armagh kick up a fuss, then ive no issues with that, infact, I hope they do because theyre well within their rights to.
Donegal on the other hand....."]Why is it unfair on Armagh/Roscommon? Sure Croke Park is Dublin's home ground?
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 04/07/2018 22:39:04
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Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To Dubsfan28: "[quote=waynoI: "Well then Donegal are making themselves out to be absolute shams.
Will people educate themselves.
The super 8's when passed in congress DID NOT, EVER mention a neutral venue, So absolutely everybody on here whos argument that this should be played in a neutral venue are complaining a good 18 months too late. Neutral venue in the super 8's is not a thing, it doesn't exist. Period.
Since this was passed in congress, It was laid out as one game at home, one away, one in Croke Park .. What about that are people finding hard to understand, how many languages do you want it in ? Its black and white. Basic English
The masterfixture calendar when released said that the provincial winners will play each other on the first weekend n Croke Park. Dublin won Leinster, Donegal won Ulster. If Donegal didn't want to play Dublin in Croke Park, They didn't have to win Ulster. But they did. So Dublin will play Donegal in Croke Park and it wont be moved and rightly so.
Now, I totally agree that it is unfair that Dublin will likely play twice in Croke Park, very unfair. But not on Donegal. Its unfair on Roscommon and Armagh. THEY are the counties who have the right to question the venue choice, and THEY are the ones who have every right to complain to the GAA and hopefully that will be moved to Parnell park
Donegals argument is weak. Its non existent in fact. The only complaint they can have which I do have sympathy with, is the throw in time of 7pm on a Saturday. That stinks. big time." I hadn't the patience to write a post like that so well done Wayne lad. Perfectly summed up and down to the point as always, no BS with you."
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 04/07/2018 23:06:55
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I think that the above poster has a good point about the home fixture for Dublin being the fixture that should be scrutinized, not the croke park one.
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Replying To waynoI: " Replying To Green_Gold: "[quote=waynoI: "YOURE ALSO WRONG
the motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.
Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council.
Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.
People need to get facts straight before posting nonsense." Look there is no chance that this game will be moved so you shouldn't worry about it. As far as I know the tickets are already being sold with the date/time/venue on them so won't get moved now. The Donegal County board asked for clarification, not to get the match moved. Would have helped if the game had been set for an earlier time though, this has p**sed people off more than the venue. Declan Bonner is probably attempting to rattle the Dubs, has to try something to knock them out of their stride I guess. Even if this was passed at congress, do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park? Surely it can't be fair to ask 1 of the Super 8 teams to play 2 of their games at the home of their opponent? All this controversy is probably good for the GAA at it will ensure a big crowd at the match."
"[I]Do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park
Of course its unfair, I never disputed that.
But its unfair on the team we are down to play in our "home" game, which is the winner of Roscommon/Armagh because the Croke Park game which was laid out 17 months ago, were the games that kicked off the super 8's were the provincial champions meeting at HQ, They are the "one croke park" games.
If Roscommon/Armagh kick up a fuss, then ive no issues with that, infact, I hope they do because theyre well within their rights to.
Donegal on the other hand....."]Slightly surprised by your views on this Waynol as you are usually someone I find myself agreeing with on most topics but not this one. I don't think Donegal believe that the venue of their game with Dublin will be changed but are correctly questioning as to why Dublin are getting two games at croke park when it was passed at congress that teams would only get one. We know the reason is that Dublin use Croke Park as their home venue and have for a long time now (I can't believe some Dublin GAA fans still consider Parnell Park as their home venue considering that they never play there anymore at senior level). Donegal are making a case of this as they are the first team effected by this error made in the layout of the super 8 fixtures. Look at it from a Donegal perspective: As Ulster champions our reward is to play Dublin in croke park in our first game. Croke park is Dublin's nominated home ground for the super 8's so given the time the game is set for, the distance we have to travel and the fact that it's not a knock out game I expect the Dublin support to heavily out number the Donegal crowd and this will definitely reinforce that's it's a home game for Dublin.
Donegal's second game is also away and in all likelihood will be a must win game so by the time Donegal are playing their first home game every other team in the group will have had a home game and Dublin will be playing their second home match that day. You said that Roscommon/Armagh have a valid case, can you explain how? They are fixed to play Dublin away which they will being doing in week 3. Donegal are highlighting a flaw in the set up of the super 8's which won't be changed for this year but I will be very surprised if it's not changed for 2019 on. It's ridiculous to be put at a disadvantage for winning your provincial championship.
Looking forward to the game itself and the game in croke park v Dublin will be good for the long term development of this team. I don't think Donegal are a level to compete with Dublin this year but another 12 months might make a difference. I also feel the layout of the super 8's will cost us this year and would be surprised if we qualify from the group......if only we had 2 home games ....
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 05/07/2018 10:49:27
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Replying To Mobot: " Replying To waynoI: "[quote=Green_Gold: "[quote=waynoI: "YOURE ALSO WRONG
the motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.
Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.
The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council.
Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.
People need to get facts straight before posting nonsense." Look there is no chance that this game will be moved so you shouldn't worry about it. As far as I know the tickets are already being sold with the date/time/venue on them so won't get moved now. The Donegal County board asked for clarification, not to get the match moved. Would have helped if the game had been set for an earlier time though, this has p**sed people off more than the venue. Declan Bonner is probably attempting to rattle the Dubs, has to try something to knock them out of their stride I guess. Even if this was passed at congress, do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park? Surely it can't be fair to ask 1 of the Super 8 teams to play 2 of their games at the home of their opponent? All this controversy is probably good for the GAA at it will ensure a big crowd at the match."
"[I]Do you see nothing wrong with Dublin getting 2 games at Croke Park
Of course its unfair, I never disputed that.
But its unfair on the team we are down to play in our "home" game, which is the winner of Roscommon/Armagh because the Croke Park game which was laid out 17 months ago, were the games that kicked off the super 8's were the provincial champions meeting at HQ, They are the "one croke park" games.
If Roscommon/Armagh kick up a fuss, then ive no issues with that, infact, I hope they do because theyre well within their rights to.
Donegal on the other hand....."]Slightly surprised by your views on this Waynol as you are usually someone I find myself agreeing with on most topics but not this one. I don't think Donegal believe that the venue of their game with Dublin will be changed but are correctly questioning as to why Dublin are getting two games at croke park when it was passed at congress that teams would only get one. We know the reason is that Dublin use Croke Park as their home venue and have for a long time now (I can't believe some Dublin GAA fans still consider Parnell Park as their home venue considering that they never play there anymore at senior level). Donegal are making a case of this as they are the first team effected by this error made in the layout of the super 8 fixtures. Look at it from a Donegal perspective: As Ulster champions our reward is to play Dublin in croke park in our first game. Croke park is Dublin's nominated home ground for the super 8's so given the time the game is set for, the distance we have to travel and the fact that it's not a knock out game I expect the Dublin support to heavily out number the Donegal crowd and this will definitely reinforce that's it's a home game for Dublin.
Donegal's second game is also away and in all likelihood will be a must win game so by the time Donegal are playing their first home game every other team in the group will have had a home game and Dublin will be playing their second home match that day. You said that Roscommon/Armagh have a valid case, can you explain how? They are fixed to play Dublin away which they will being doing in week 3. Donegal are highlighting a flaw in the set up of the super 8's which won't be changed for this year but I will be very surprised if it's not changed for 2019 on. It's ridiculous to be put at a disadvantage for winning your provincial championship.
Looking forward to the game itself and the game in croke park v Dublin will be good for the long term development of this team. I don't think Donegal are a level to compete with Dublin this year but another 12 months might make a difference. I also feel the layout of the super 8's will cost us this year and would be surprised if we qualify from the group......if only we had 2 home games ...."]Excellent post. I don't see why some Dublin supporters are getting riled I think most Donegal supporters have a preference for the game to be played in Croke Park. But it is important to highlight the disparity not just this situation but in all situations looking forward.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 05/07/2018 15:54:25
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So there we have it. It's done and dusted so can we all move on now and discuss the ACTUAL game?
Obviously Paddy is a significant loss for us but I think we'll still give a very good account of ourselves. Everyone knows how formidable Dublin are but I think we can have a good cut at them and give them a bloody nose at least.
We don't rely so heavily on Murphy and McBrearty for scores anymore. There is a good spread there with the likes of MacNiallais, both Brennans, Thompson, McLoone all chipping in and we all know how devastating Ryan McHugh and Eoghan Ban can be with their running power from deep.
Our defense has looked a wee bit more open than in Jim's time but I saw signs during the Down and Fermanagh games that they've tightened up. We'll have Neil McGee back and Paddy McGrath has been returning to top form. It'll take a massive effort to contain Dublin though.
Obviously heart says Donegal, head says Dublin by 4-5 points.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 05/07/2018 16:22:27
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Replying To Lockjaw: "So there we have it. It's done and dusted so can we all move on now and discuss the ACTUAL game?
Obviously Paddy is a significant loss for us but I think we'll still give a very good account of ourselves. Everyone knows how formidable Dublin are but I think we can have a good cut at them and give them a bloody nose at least.
We don't rely so heavily on Murphy and McBrearty for scores anymore. There is a good spread there with the likes of MacNiallais, both Brennans, Thompson, McLoone all chipping in and we all know how devastating Ryan McHugh and Eoghan Ban can be with their running power from deep.
Our defense has looked a wee bit more open than in Jim's time but I saw signs during the Down and Fermanagh games that they've tightened up. We'll have Neil McGee back and Paddy McGrath has been returning to top form. It'll take a massive effort to contain Dublin though.
Obviously heart says Donegal, head says Dublin by 4-5 points." Exactly what was needed to be done was done. Game going ahead in Croker like most Donegal supporters wanted anyways even though the throw in time is a joke. Then looking forward the disparity will be looked at.
As for the game without Paddy I am not overly optimistic. I just hope we put in a good show to lay the foundations for the following 2 games. Dublin by 5-8 points.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 05/07/2018 17:38:04
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Now that the controversy about the format of the Super 8's is over we can now concentrate on the game itself.
I remember posting before the 2014 semifinal that it was a game that Dublin could win by 15 points or Donegal could win by 6. Dublin Donegal games are a bit like that with Donegal having quite a good championship record against Dublin & even league games are usually quite competitive.
Donegal are in real bonus territory here & are playing a lovely brand of football but they are a bit like Dublin in 2014 in that defensively they are wide open & nowhere near the standards there of other top teams Dublin & Kerry especially. The loss of Patrick is also huge, not only as a scoring forward but more so as a target forward who is an excellent ball winner. Donegal also have a large number of players who are very inexperienced at this level & a manager in his first year.
And yet, and yet......... I believe there is a big performance in this hugely talented Donegal team who have no pressure on them at all. Croke Park will suit them down to the ground, they have had three weeks to plan without Patrick & the sideline has some very talented operators with JMcG also whispering his tuppence worth.
I still fancy Dublin to win with something to spare but am really looking forward to seeing how Donegal fare.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 05/07/2018 19:40:37
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The timing is stupid at best and cannot understand that.
Also, where was this meeting held between Donegal officials and HQ ?
Surely it could easily have been held at a later date or what was the whole point of the exercise ?
Tae and Mariettas was it and a day out ?
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 05/07/2018 19:43:40
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "The timing is stupid at best and cannot understand that.
Also, where was this meeting held between Donegal officials and HQ ?
Surely it could easily have been held at a later date or what was the whole point of the exercise ?
Tae and Mariettas was it and a day out ?" The meeting was held in Coppers as far as I know & we are long past Mariettas in Donegal. Chocolate HobNobs were the order of the day or we weren't going to Croke Park.
What do we want?
Chocolate HobNobs.
When do we want them?
Now!!!
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 05/07/2018 19:48:45
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