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Replying To endgame:  "Roscommon were shocking in the second half of the Connacht Final.No score from play for 40 minutes with a wind at their back.I was at the game and wasn't impressed by Galway.If Galway play against Kerry like they played against us,Kerry will win well.I think Kerry are the only serious threat to the Dubs.This year may be too soon for some of the young Kerry players but I do expect Kerry to end Dublin's dominance over the next couple of years."
I actually would rank Kerry ahead of Dublin at the minute, I see them as favorites to win this years All Ireland. They seem to be getting the player blend right, and their established players like David Moran are top notch quality.

I probably rank Galway 3rd in the Country after Kerry and Dublin based on League and Championship, but I'm not sure how they will cope in the wide open Croke park against sides that can and will pick off scores from a wide variety of positions and using a wide range of scorers.

After that its Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone or Mayo.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 30/06/2018 01:54:05    2116815

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Replying To Commodore:  "I actually would rank Kerry ahead of Dublin at the minute, I see them as favorites to win this years All Ireland. They seem to be getting the player blend right, and their established players like David Moran are top notch quality.

I probably rank Galway 3rd in the Country after Kerry and Dublin based on League and Championship, but I'm not sure how they will cope in the wide open Croke park against sides that can and will pick off scores from a wide variety of positions and using a wide range of scorers.

After that its Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone or Mayo."
Ahh lad don't be saying that about us.
We are a team of young lads and there is zero expectations on their shoulders this year.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 30/06/2018 09:21:29    2116821

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Kerry have some of the best forwards around and are a joy to watch...probably a couple of defenders short but I would expect Kerry to be challenging the dubs very soon.as for Galway I'm not sure.we will just have to wait and see. They definitely have the players but maybe lacking a real game plan so we can see the likes of comer and Walsh do serious damage to teams

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1043 - 30/06/2018 09:37:39    2116825

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Replying To westkerry:  "Ahh lad don't be saying that about us.
We are a team of young lads and there is zero expectations on their shoulders this year."
I understand why you are saying that although there are expectations in Kerry every year. Maybe the last few yrs and falling short against the Dubs has dampened those annual expectations but the reality is the wheels will turn and Kerry are the most likely to take over at the top table. Our hope is to make a real effort of winning an all Ireland before likely Kerry dominance kicks into gear.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 30/06/2018 10:31:31    2116827

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Kerry on what we've seen thus far would be my pick for this year's AI.
They will only get better over the next few years and will more than likely beat Galway in this one unless Galway can hurt them at the back and I'd say they'll need 3 goals to do it.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 30/06/2018 14:30:48    2116856

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Kerry may well turn into a very good side but am I mental in that people are putting an awful lot of stock into them beating a very very ordinary Cork side? Lads talking about them being favourites for the All-Ireland ahead of the Dubs. I mean really?

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2208 - 01/07/2018 03:08:23    2117046

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Replying To Marooned:  "Kerry may well turn into a very good side but am I mental in that people are putting an awful lot of stock into them beating a very very ordinary Cork side? Lads talking about them being favourites for the All-Ireland ahead of the Dubs. I mean really?"
This Kerry hype all seems to be based on hammering Cork.

But to be fair when you list out their forwards they ate frightening! They do look a bit soft down the middle. Corks 2 goals were scored very easily and when we played them in the league we should have scored 6 goals.

Will be a very intriguing game. I hope we don't show them the respect we did last year. We should tear into them and see where that takes us. I think if we drop off they will eat us alive

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 04/07/2018 23:22:49    2118694

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Replying To catch22:  "Kerry on what we've seen thus far would be my pick for this year's AI.
They will only get better over the next few years and will more than likely beat Galway in this one unless Galway can hurt them at the back and I'd say they'll need 3 goals to do it."
on what basis are kerry favourites for an all ireland...they are at best outsiders...it will be close but i'd imagine galway will be able to edge them out by one or two points

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/07/2018 19:04:31    2118906

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I would like to see Galway win but it will be touch and go. If Kerry win they will have picked up real momentum and will be very difficult to stop.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 05/07/2018 20:14:04    2118925

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Kerry Defense is there to be got at.. From what I have seen of them this year little if any improvements have been made there since last year since Mayo opened them up with ease. Galway can do the same and have the ability to dominate around the middle with Flynn, Cooke and Conroy on form. Duggan is a loss to them but they have options. The only worry for Galway is their full back line getting exposed as Kerry are goal hungry but their system is built to protect them.

The bigger pitch might give Kerry the opportunity to punch holes in the Galway rearguard.

Lets not forget this is a Kerry team with many rookies and if Galway are there down the stretch it will be very interesting.

However Galway are also inexperienced in terms of winning big games in Croker..

I think Kerry might edge it..

Dublin will win the All Ireland

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 05/07/2018 20:50:24    2118931

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Replying To woops:  "I have always had a soft spot for Galway. Wonderful gifted forwards , exciting to watch.
But tell me where was the joy in winning this years Connaught title playing that insufferable stuff.

Galway are good enough to beat Kerry as they have the players to play a high tempo closing down the opposition style . But more importantly they have the forwards to frighten the bejaysus out of any county's backline.

But if they go into the Kerry game with the same tactics and produce the same turgid display...then I hope Kerry beat them well to show that total negativity will win you nothing.

But besides my rant i expect a good tough encounter with Kerry to come out on top by 1/2 points."
Arguably the most sensible post on Hoganstand - couldn't agree more!

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 705 - 06/07/2018 08:32:12    2119016

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Replying To dave1988:  "Kerry have some of the best forwards around and are a joy to watch...probably a couple of defenders short but I would expect Kerry to be challenging the dubs very soon.as for Galway I'm not sure.we will just have to wait and see. They definitely have the players but maybe lacking a real game plan so we can see the likes of comer and Walsh do serious damage to teams"
I would have said that the main problem with Galway is that they have TOO MUCH of a game plan, and that there is little room for players especially forwards to play their own, natural game.

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 705 - 06/07/2018 08:33:32    2119018

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If i was Galway i would be hoping for a strong referee Kerry are the masters of tactical fouling and a big part of their system, when Galway are breaking they will try and foul Galway as far up the pitch as possible to protect their backline.

Quick and decisive counter play, fast passing and aim for the space over the flood in midfield and half back line.

Kerry are there to be got at tactically, so hopefully Walsh alters his system somewhat.

Sitting back will just enable Kerry to protect their weakest lines through floods and tactical fouling and Galway will need the scores.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/07/2018 11:12:16    2119076

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Replying To TheUsername:  "If i was Galway i would be hoping for a strong referee Kerry are the masters of tactical fouling and a big part of their system, when Galway are breaking they will try and foul Galway as far up the pitch as possible to protect their backline.

Quick and decisive counter play, fast passing and aim for the space over the flood in midfield and half back line.

Kerry are there to be got at tactically, so hopefully Walsh alters his system somewhat.

Sitting back will just enable Kerry to protect their weakest lines through floods and tactical fouling and Galway will need the scores."
There's a phrase that springs to mind about people in glass houses, look back at the closing minutes of last years AI final to see what I mean. This has long been a tactic of Dublin's to close out games.

I do agree that Kerry do this though (along with every other team it must be said), and it's an ugly side of our game that should be eradicated. Difficult with the rule book as it stands though if none of the individual fouls are card worthy offences. I don't envy referees these days.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/07/2018 12:56:51    2119112

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Really looking forward to this game. Can't wait to get a look at this Kerry forward line against a good strong defence. I think we'll find out a lot about just how ready Kerry's young forwards are. I don't think there's any doubt that these lads are the real deal but maybe they're not quite ready yet.

If they run up a decent score against a good Galway defence then we can say that they've arrived.

It's such a pity that it's going up against the World Cup final, will have to make a decision on the day to stroll up the street or not.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 06/07/2018 13:03:07    2119116

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "There's a phrase that springs to mind about people in glass houses, look back at the closing minutes of last years AI final to see what I mean. This has long been a tactic of Dublin's to close out games.

I do agree that Kerry do this though (along with every other team it must be said), and it's an ugly side of our game that should be eradicated. Difficult with the rule book as it stands though if none of the individual fouls are card worthy offences. I don't envy referees these days."
Without having a pop, (i know some would have suspicions around that).

Its an area i would be looking to highlight and target as an opposition. I would wholly acknowledge we have our own hangmen and lads who sail fairly close to the wind on far to many an occasion and not wanting to get into a you and me debate. What i would say though it isn't a deliberate tactic by Dublin as part of an overall systemic defensive approach i.e. every team will makes a professional fouls. It could just be me but i actually think its a systemic and deliberate approach by Kerry as part of an overall defensive system. Its a vulnerability that can be exploited if you acknowledge and accept it if you target your support play - shoulder runners and aestheticism or time your half and forward lines runs right or having a strategy to get the ball into the danger zone. Its something the Kerry team of noughties used to do as well and i remember thats how we beat that and long range Cluxton frees.

As you say its likely morally or sportingly its not attractive, but once its in the rules every edge counts, if its successful im sure Kerry couldn't care less.

Another thing i noticed about Kerry is that subs are often planned, i have had suspicions for a while the player coming off is more prone to pick up a black card just before coming off. That is speculation i know.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/07/2018 13:40:55    2119126

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Without having a pop, (i know some would have suspicions around that).

Its an area i would be looking to highlight and target as an opposition. I would wholly acknowledge we have our own hangmen and lads who sail fairly close to the wind on far to many an occasion and not wanting to get into a you and me debate. What i would say though it isn't a deliberate tactic by Dublin as part of an overall systemic defensive approach i.e. every team will makes a professional fouls. It could just be me but i actually think its a systemic and deliberate approach by Kerry as part of an overall defensive system. Its a vulnerability that can be exploited if you acknowledge and accept it if you target your support play - shoulder runners and aestheticism or time your half and forward lines runs right or having a strategy to get the ball into the danger zone. Its something the Kerry team of noughties used to do as well and i remember thats how we beat that and long range Cluxton frees.

As you say its likely morally or sportingly its not attractive, but once its in the rules every edge counts, if its successful im sure Kerry couldn't care less.

Another thing i noticed about Kerry is that subs are often planned, i have had suspicions for a while the player coming off is more prone to pick up a black card just before coming off. That is speculation i know."
Kerrys problem from 2013 to this year has been a lack of pace.
Not just going forward but also at the back.
I don't agree this is pre planned but more a result of a lack of pace and getting caught out when teams ran at us.
Our free count against Clare and Cork was very low all be it against inferior opposition.
Gavin white is McCaffrey quick, Foley, O'Beaghlaoich, Shanahan, Gavin Crowley have all added serious pace in our backs.
I think you will see far less frees by the end of this year.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/07/2018 15:31:32    2119156

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Without having a pop, (i know some would have suspicions around that).

Its an area i would be looking to highlight and target as an opposition. I would wholly acknowledge we have our own hangmen and lads who sail fairly close to the wind on far to many an occasion and not wanting to get into a you and me debate. What i would say though it isn't a deliberate tactic by Dublin as part of an overall systemic defensive approach i.e. every team will makes a professional fouls. It could just be me but i actually think its a systemic and deliberate approach by Kerry as part of an overall defensive system. Its a vulnerability that can be exploited if you acknowledge and accept it if you target your support play - shoulder runners and aestheticism or time your half and forward lines runs right or having a strategy to get the ball into the danger zone. Its something the Kerry team of noughties used to do as well and i remember thats how we beat that and long range Cluxton frees.

As you say its likely morally or sportingly its not attractive, but once its in the rules every edge counts, if its successful im sure Kerry couldn't care less.

Another thing i noticed about Kerry is that subs are often planned, i have had suspicions for a while the player coming off is more prone to pick up a black card just before coming off. That is speculation i know."
From what I have seen so far this year our tackling has improved dramatically and we are less likely to give away frees. This has been a huge issue for years and has clearly been worked on. If you ran at us in the past you were virtually guaranteed a free. We are crowding the middle now and tackling aggressively but more fairly high up the pitch. Of course, this may fall apart against better opposition but I am encouraged thusfar.

This time last year we were league and Munster champions having played some very good football. People were talking the team up as being ready to knock the Dubs off their throne. It's a very different team now, just 12 months on. I am just hoping it doesn't all fall apart like last year, if we beat Galway it will be difficult to temper expectations but we must remember the age profile of the team, young lads can be very fickle.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/07/2018 16:21:54    2119165

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Without having a pop, (i know some would have suspicions around that).

Its an area i would be looking to highlight and target as an opposition. I would wholly acknowledge we have our own hangmen and lads who sail fairly close to the wind on far to many an occasion and not wanting to get into a you and me debate. What i would say though it isn't a deliberate tactic by Dublin as part of an overall systemic defensive approach i.e. every team will makes a professional fouls. It could just be me but i actually think its a systemic and deliberate approach by Kerry as part of an overall defensive system. Its a vulnerability that can be exploited if you acknowledge and accept it if you target your support play - shoulder runners and aestheticism or time your half and forward lines runs right or having a strategy to get the ball into the danger zone. Its something the Kerry team of noughties used to do as well and i remember thats how we beat that and long range Cluxton frees.

As you say its likely morally or sportingly its not attractive, but once its in the rules every edge counts, if its successful im sure Kerry couldn't care less.

Another thing i noticed about Kerry is that subs are often planned, i have had suspicions for a while the player coming off is more prone to pick up a black card just before coming off. That is speculation i know."
I noticed that all Dublin players go in with the knee to head of opposing players when they're going down for the ball.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/07/2018 16:55:31    2119172

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "From what I have seen so far this year our tackling has improved dramatically and we are less likely to give away frees. This has been a huge issue for years and has clearly been worked on. If you ran at us in the past you were virtually guaranteed a free. We are crowding the middle now and tackling aggressively but more fairly high up the pitch. Of course, this may fall apart against better opposition but I am encouraged thusfar.

This time last year we were league and Munster champions having played some very good football. People were talking the team up as being ready to knock the Dubs off their throne. It's a very different team now, just 12 months on. I am just hoping it doesn't all fall apart like last year, if we beat Galway it will be difficult to temper expectations but we must remember the age profile of the team, young lads can be very fickle."
I think there is rhyme and reason in what is being put together your end this year, if I'm being honest I think Kerry football lost it's identity over the last few years. Certainly what I see so far hints back to the great teams of the past and that's good for football.

Kerry just need to be at the moment, all the ingredients are there, expierence and a true test is all that's lacking.

It seems and I'm sure feels like a Kerry team again and that something at the very least for yee to be excited about.

Sometimes there is fun in the chase and building toward the succeeding.

We might be saying the same thing this time next year, if yee prove as good as yee look in Munster. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/07/2018 18:13:57    2119180

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