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with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue.
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Replying To perfect10: "with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue." Correct and right.
And to answer your question;
The GAA don't really care about the club scene (at a local level) and are only concerned with squeezing as much money as possible out of intercounty games.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 15/06/2018 17:01:30
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Replying To perfect10: "with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue." In Tyrone things are going quite well on the club scene to be honest. Not perfect obviously. 10 league games played already on a weekly basis. Most games have had the county men playing. There's always a full 2 week break around the 12 of July so most go on holidays then. When Tyrone are knocked out of the championship, the county championship will start 2/3 weeks after. Now that's Tyrone, I know other counties don't have a system that works due to hurling etc. Straight knockout championship is the way forward in my eyes. Simple to organise.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/06/2018 17:28:11
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Replying To perfect10: "with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue." I am a member of a junior club. Even at our level, we have no fixture plan. Ultimately even the most loyal players book their holidays and it is a case of come what may in terms of fixtures and players availability.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 15/06/2018 17:50:22
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Replying To perfect10: "with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue." Excellent post.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 881 - 15/06/2018 17:57:59
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Playing away at league games here in Donegal all summer.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 15/06/2018 18:58:50
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Replying To perfect10: "with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue." I thought there was hurling league last weekend in Wexford, and more next weekend? This weekend there is football league. Are these games not happening at all?
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/06/2018 19:43:37
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I'm a bit of a nerd. I'm sure plenty of you know that already.
I did recently look into the competitions that different county boards ran. Something that struck me was that in the South Leinster counties they just don't play that many games.
It doesn't really surprise me that their county teams aren't performing particularly well. Players need games to be challenged and developed.
The dual aspect of Leinster counties makes it tougher than Ulster but if you look at Meath a football team will play 13 league games, 5 championship group games (with County players) plus another cup competition. The Hurling teams are getting 7 league games, 5 championship also.
If Meath can do that any county should be able to.
In Meath they take a hard line on league and are very good about not postponing fixtures and are happy to play them off without county players.
League isn't linked to championship. Championship is the be all and end all but the league works very well for giving people regular competitive games and it gives players the opportunity to impress ahead of championship.
I like the Ulster system of knockout championships but there's a lot to be said also for the Meath approach.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 16/06/2018 12:52:42
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Yes I fully agree with OP. GAA seem to be living in the past.
Drink bans is the worst for me, young lads will want to have a pint or two at the weekend. This banning them from drinking for 8/9 months is a joke. I've seen lads running out the back of bars because a club member has come down checking if there are players there.
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Replying To Soma: "I thought there was hurling league last weekend in Wexford, and more next weekend? This weekend there is football league. Are these games not happening at all?" there are club games but they are without their county men.
i would favour club games going ahead without club players.
at least that way some form of club fixtures could be made.
yeah M Lyster the drink ban is a joke,and all it does is push players into boredom and activities such as gambling,and we have all seen in the gaa the effect of that.imagine being a young lad and told you cant go out and enjoy drink/women/etc because of gaa?no wonder players give up.
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Exactly perfect10 you can't expect young lads to miss out on a social life/romance due to GAA commitments. I know a few talented footballers who have quit the game for this exact reason and their club only plays in Div 2 in Antrim, a long way from intercounty standard.
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Club matches shouldn't be played on Sunday's anymore.
Reserve leagues should be Friday nights.
The timings should be the same every week.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 17/06/2018 17:58:08
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Replying To Whammo86: "Club matches shouldn't be played on Sunday's anymore.
Reserve leagues should be Friday nights.
The timings should be the same every week." I agree, club league games should be played Friday or Saturday evening and let young lads go out and enjoy themselves on Saturday night. Drinking bans in club football in just ridiculous.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 17/06/2018 19:38:45
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Do The Gaa Not Understand Young People?
with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2506 - 15/06/2018 15:40:13How would you change things? At least for hurling counties with change to round robin club players could arrange holidays etc during the round robin and be back for end of round robin in case their county is out and be around for club hurling games. What would you see as a proper fixture schedule and what would you use as punishments/sanctions for breaches of this proper fixture schedule.
Correct and right.
And to answer your question;
The GAA don't really care about the club scene (at a local level) and are only concerned with squeezing as much money as possible out of intercounty games.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3004 - 15/06/2018 17:01:30 if so then how do you change things to help the club game.
I am a member of a junior club. Even at our level, we have no fixture plan. Ultimately even the most loyal players book their holidays and it is a case of come what may in terms of fixtures and players availability.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3600 - 15/06/2018 17:50:22why is that the case? Why isnt their a fixture plan properly managed with proper sanctions.
If i still played rugby i could get a fixture schedule in July/August and know which weekends i would and wouldnt be playing. If my team cant play on a weekend we either concede the game or if with proper reason to postpone we can.
Yes I fully agree with OP. GAA seem to be living in the past.
Drink bans is the worst for me, young lads will want to have a pint or two at the weekend. This banning them from drinking for 8/9 months is a joke. I've seen lads running out the back of bars because a club member has come down checking if there are players there.
M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 383 - 16/06/2018 14:47:21 at what level and where do people really have drink bans in place for months on a go? Not even pros especially pros have such a sanction in place.
Club matches shouldn't be played on Sunday's anymore.
Reserve leagues should be Friday nights.
The timings should be the same every week.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1994 - 17/06/2018 17:58:08 Reserve leagues? I know its just terminology but much rather playing a league where its called seconds/thirds/junior a/b than reserves....
I agree, club league games should be played Friday or Saturday evening and let young lads go out and enjoy themselves on Saturday night. Drinking bans in club football in just ridiculous.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1155 - 17/06/2018 19:38:45all games should be played fridays/saturdays where possible. fascination with playing sunday needs to change
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Replying To DonaldDuck: "Do The Gaa Not Understand Young People?
with the lack of club activity currently across the country (unless you are out of the championship),and not a clue when the matches will happen,i often wonder do the gaa think they are dealing with the young people of the 1970s.
the inability to plan a social life,summer holidays,is without doubt the biggest issue for club players now.
i know what is going to happen in our club.wexford will be beaten and it will be full steam ahead.at that stage,lads will say "oh but i am off to electric picnic/holiday/etc and i am not changing them".
cue auld lads in the club saying "that lad would not change his holiday for the match,traitor,etc".
at what stage is the gaa going to realise that the gaa is only 1 of a huge number of interests young people have,that they are upwardly mobile unlike the ireland of the 1970s and that player drop off at club level can only be arrested by providing a proper fixture schedule?
i think the day of unblinded loyalty to clubs/counties is over,and the gaa need to realise this or the drop off in players at club level will continue.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2506 - 15/06/2018 15:40:13How would you change things? At least for hurling counties with change to round robin club players could arrange holidays etc during the round robin and be back for end of round robin in case their county is out and be around for club hurling games. What would you see as a proper fixture schedule and what would you use as punishments/sanctions for breaches of this proper fixture schedule.
Correct and right.
And to answer your question;
The GAA don't really care about the club scene (at a local level) and are only concerned with squeezing as much money as possible out of intercounty games.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3004 - 15/06/2018 17:01:30 if so then how do you change things to help the club game.
I am a member of a junior club. Even at our level, we have no fixture plan. Ultimately even the most loyal players book their holidays and it is a case of come what may in terms of fixtures and players availability.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3600 - 15/06/2018 17:50:22why is that the case? Why isnt their a fixture plan properly managed with proper sanctions.
If i still played rugby i could get a fixture schedule in July/August and know which weekends i would and wouldnt be playing. If my team cant play on a weekend we either concede the game or if with proper reason to postpone we can.
Yes I fully agree with OP. GAA seem to be living in the past.
Drink bans is the worst for me, young lads will want to have a pint or two at the weekend. This banning them from drinking for 8/9 months is a joke. I've seen lads running out the back of bars because a club member has come down checking if there are players there.
M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 383 - 16/06/2018 14:47:21 at what level and where do people really have drink bans in place for months on a go? Not even pros especially pros have such a sanction in place.
Club matches shouldn't be played on Sunday's anymore.
Reserve leagues should be Friday nights.
The timings should be the same every week.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1994 - 17/06/2018 17:58:08 Reserve leagues? I know its just terminology but much rather playing a league where its called seconds/thirds/junior a/b than reserves....
I agree, club league games should be played Friday or Saturday evening and let young lads go out and enjoy themselves on Saturday night. Drinking bans in club football in just ridiculous.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1155 - 17/06/2018 19:38:45all games should be played fridays/saturdays where possible. fascination with playing sunday needs to change" Its what they are called in Antrim.
In Meath it's B league, I've played in both and never gave to tosses what either were called.
The main thing is that the lower leagues are best played on Fridays and higher leagues played on Saturdays and give players a bit of a weekend after a game to enjoy themselves.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 19/06/2018 15:31:44
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Replying To Whammo86: "Club matches shouldn't be played on Sunday's anymore.
Reserve leagues should be Friday nights.
The timings should be the same every week." I hate Sunday matches. Feels like it encroaches on your whole weekend for some reason. Friday nights might be difficult from a Dublin pov as city traffic can be mental of a Friday evening (trying to get out to the likes of Lucan or some such far flung place could be hard) but I'd still give them a go.
In Dublin we'll have hurling matches scheduled on a Sunday the same time as the Dublin footballers are playing Championship and vice versa.
I know you'll have people complaining about working Sat/Fri but most are free and a lot of us work irregular hours in anyways nowadays.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 19/06/2018 16:09:32
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1 word of warning about non Sunday games, in our club years ago management from all clubs used to ring each other to see if their was a chance of switching a game from Sunday to Saturday evening, majority would switch the day, what happened next was we would have training on Sunday at 12 noon the day after the game but only half would show up, we'd be joking that the rest were hung over and couldn't make training but the reality was they joined a local soccer club and were playing soccer on Sundays, when we had Sunday games they would tell GAA management could they switch the game to Saturday or try and get the soccer match on Saturday, that meant we had only a handful of players for GAA training on Saturdays and those lads would be fairly fatigued for the football matches on Sunday after playing soccer the might before. We were extremely lucky that the team survived, GAA management had to make a call choose either football or soccer, these lads choose football, they had played with the club since they were 10 and it was the GAA that made them into the players they were
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 19/06/2018 18:44:01
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Replying To riverboys: "1 word of warning about non Sunday games, in our club years ago management from all clubs used to ring each other to see if their was a chance of switching a game from Sunday to Saturday evening, majority would switch the day, what happened next was we would have training on Sunday at 12 noon the day after the game but only half would show up, we'd be joking that the rest were hung over and couldn't make training but the reality was they joined a local soccer club and were playing soccer on Sundays, when we had Sunday games they would tell GAA management could they switch the game to Saturday or try and get the soccer match on Saturday, that meant we had only a handful of players for GAA training on Saturdays and those lads would be fairly fatigued for the football matches on Sunday after playing soccer the might before. We were extremely lucky that the team survived, GAA management had to make a call choose either football or soccer, these lads choose football, they had played with the club since they were 10 and it was the GAA that made them into the players they were" But they wern't fatigued from training on the saturday? Why would you train the day before a game?
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 19/06/2018 19:28:19
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