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JUICY are you actually that stupid to make a statement like that. Or are you a member of the CCCC. It is everyone responsibility for players welfare. The CCCC have shown themselves to be totally incompetent this year. First we have that statement on players welfare. Then the Brendan Davis cup farce, all of their own making. The reason the other clubs didn't object was because they didn't realise they could. I know a club inquired about the feis cup but it was to late as the final was already played.

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 206 - 13/11/2018 20:27:44    2151012

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The real question to be answered from this years Senior Hurling Championship is, why were kildalkey fixed to play all of their group games in Navan this year. That is the question that needs to be addressed and answered immediately. It looks like they have played their last 12 championship matches in Navan over the 2017/2018 season. How can this happen ? Have Kildalkey a few representatives on the CCCC ? This issue needs to be sorted before next season.
Can somebody come up with the real answer ?

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 14/11/2018 14:36:08    2151129

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Replying To gardentree:  "The real question to be answered from this years Senior Hurling Championship is, why were kildalkey fixed to play all of their group games in Navan this year. That is the question that needs to be addressed and answered immediately. It looks like they have played their last 12 championship matches in Navan over the 2017/2018 season. How can this happen ? Have Kildalkey a few representatives on the CCCC ? This issue needs to be sorted before next season.
Can somebody come up with the real answer ?"
Possibly the CCCC thought that only Navan could hold the crowd.
But there may be other points of view.
The Meath GAA website does not list any Kildalkey representatives on the CCCC but I don't know whither it refers to 2018 or not. Maybe the Kildalkey members were to be added during by they forgot, the CCCC have a record of delaying things.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 396 - 14/11/2018 20:33:05    2151163

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Kiltale Issued the statement below on their website yesterday, very good clarification on how the events unfolded during the Brendan Davis Cup Fiasco . In the statement they say that and I quote ,

Our exclusion from the competition was questioned by our club at a hurling meeting in Dunganny. We got backing from the floor by other clubs who felt that we should have been included.

One Question for Kiltale , WHAT DATE WAS THIS HURLING MEETING HELD IN DUNGANNY WHEN THEIR EXCLUSION FROM THE BRENDAN DAVIS CUP WAS DISCUSSED.??????

Kiltale Statement below

Kiltale Hurling Club wishes to make the following statement regarding the Brendan Davis Cup.

Our Club paid its entry fee at the start of the year to take part in Brendan Davis Cup, and it was accepted.

Meath GAA regulations were passed at the start of the year. Regulation 49 outlined that all senior and intermediate hurling clubs were eligible to take part in the Brendan Davis Cup in 2018.

The Meath CCC made a decision during the year that the winners of the Senior and Intermediate Championships, in football and hurling, would not be allowed to take part in the Davis Cup, Feis Cup, or other Cup competitions during 2018.

This decision was never voted through at a County Committee meeting, as would be required in Rule 3.19(d).

The hurling clubs affected by this would be the winners of the Senior and Intermediate Championships, who would not be known until the 7th October.

After winning the Meath SHC, Kiltale Hurling Club contacted the Meath CCC - verbally and through emails - requesting to be included to the Brendan Davis Cup, as other teams were pulling out and giving walkovers which we felt greatly discredited the competition and the man who the competition was in honour of, Brendan Davis.

At this point the competition was only at the quarter final stage. Kilmessan vs Ratoath had yet to play, with the winners facing Trim in the semi-final. On the other side of the draw, Kildalkey had already been placed in the final after a number of walkovers.

We could have easily been included on Kildalkey's side and played them in the semi-final, as Trim had been introduced into the semi-final on the other side.

Our exclusion from the competition was questioned by our club at a hurling meeting in Dunganny. We got backing from the floor by other clubs who felt that we should have been included.

However despite these numerous attempts we had no success. The competition was been rushed along to the final stages so we were left with no option but to take our case to Leinster Council.

We also pointed out to Meath CCC that we had 32 players togged out for the county final, as well as an intermediate team. We had a full month between winning the Meath SHC (7th Oct) to our first game in the Leinster IHC (4th Nov), and needed games to play in between. We also argued that we had enough players to field teams even without placing extra strain on our stronger players.

The Leinster Council heard our case and found Meath CCC to be in breach of Regulation 49 and Rule 3.19(d).

They felt that we should have been allowed to enter a team as we had so many available players; because the competition Regulation 49 said the Cup was open to all Senior and Intermediate clubs; and because we had paid our entry fee.

They also stated that the only way the Meath CCC could change a competition structure during the year was to have it voted through at a County Committee meeting.

We wish to stress that the Leinster hearings committee did NOT make a decision that the 2018 Brendan Davis Cup be declared "null and void".

Rather, under Regulation 49 and Rule 3.19(d), the Leinster Council simply directed that the Meath CCC decision to exclude Kiltale from the 2018 Brendan Davis Cup be annulled.

The decision regarding the running of the Brendan Davis Cup in 2018 would therefore continue to rest with Meath CCC, but Kiltale must be included.

Our Club feels that this cup, in honour of the great Brendan Davis, has been discredited from the start because of the timing of the competition, which resulted in teams having to pull out, and also the fact that the county's Senior champions had been barred from entry.

Kiltale Hurling Club have been in contact with the Davis family outlining our disappointment on being excluded. We explained why we felt it was necessary to take our case to gain entry to a Cup in honour of a true hurling man.

Kiltale Hurling Club Committee
20th November 2018

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 21/11/2018 13:00:43    2151989

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Hopefully this puts the issue to bed.

CCC were clearly wrong to come out with a statement blaming the entire thing on Kiltale.

Judging by Kiltales statement there appears to be an appetite from them to finish the competition. Why not get it finished? There's only 3 teams left. Kiltale v Kildalkey semi final next Wednesday and Final at the weekend

begining (UK) - Posts: 251 - 22/11/2018 09:18:57    2152072

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Replying To begining:  "Hopefully this puts the issue to bed.

CCC were clearly wrong to come out with a statement blaming the entire thing on Kiltale.

Judging by Kiltales statement there appears to be an appetite from them to finish the competition. Why not get it finished? There's only 3 teams left. Kiltale v Kildalkey semi final next Wednesday and Final at the weekend"
Because the competition has been deemed null and void by Leinster Council.

If it is to be played this year then it needs to be started from scratch again.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 623 - 22/11/2018 10:38:04    2152079

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Replying To begining:  "Hopefully this puts the issue to bed.

CCC were clearly wrong to come out with a statement blaming the entire thing on Kiltale.

Judging by Kiltales statement there appears to be an appetite from them to finish the competition. Why not get it finished? There's only 3 teams left. Kiltale v Kildalkey semi final next Wednesday and Final at the weekend"
Then Na Fianna could head off to the Leinster Council as they were "debarred" as well.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 396 - 22/11/2018 10:50:53    2152083

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Replying To jackhackett:  "Because the competition has been deemed null and void by Leinster Council.

If it is to be played this year then it needs to be started from scratch again."
The competition was not declared null and void by the Leinster Council, the Leinster council declared that the Meath CCC had been in violation of its own rules and deemed Kiltales objection in order.
The Meath CCC then got the hump and declared the competition null and void.

Kiltale in their statement on their website said that they received backing from the floor in regard to their inclusion in the BDC at a Hurling meeting in Dunganny , Can anybody tell us when did this meeting take place ????

The answer to that question would really clear up the whole fiasco.

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 22/11/2018 13:17:56    2152107

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Replying To gardentree:  "The competition was not declared null and void by the Leinster Council, the Leinster council declared that the Meath CCC had been in violation of its own rules and deemed Kiltales objection in order.
The Meath CCC then got the hump and declared the competition null and void.

Kiltale in their statement on their website said that they received backing from the floor in regard to their inclusion in the BDC at a Hurling meeting in Dunganny , Can anybody tell us when did this meeting take place ????

The answer to that question would really clear up the whole fiasco."
Well can anybody give a date for this Hurling meeting held in Dunganny that Kiltale received backing from the floor for their inclusion in the Brendan Davis Cup. Their seems to be a code of silence in regard to the date of this meeting.

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 27/11/2018 14:44:45    2152611

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Replying To gardentree:  "Well can anybody give a date for this Hurling meeting held in Dunganny that Kiltale received backing from the floor for their inclusion in the Brendan Davis Cup. Their seems to be a code of silence in regard to the date of this meeting."
County final was played the 7th of October. Kiltale only found out after that they were omitted from the competition and appealed.

Appeal rejected by the county board and they appealed to Leinster on 2nd of November. So i'd hazard a guess and say it was sometime between the 7th of October and 2nd of November.

If an objection/appeal is valid Kiltale can put one in at anytime. They could rightly have put in an appeal after the BD final was played and if ruling was in their favor the cup could be taken from the winners and competition replayed.

So timing of the objection has no relevance at all. In my view Kiltale only wanted to enter a competition that most clubs were pulling out of. And appealed in time so they could be entered. They had no intention of sabotaging the competition.

begining (UK) - Posts: 251 - 29/11/2018 09:16:25    2152794

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