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All-Ireland Hurling Preliminary Quarter-Finals

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Carlow and Westmeath will be drawn at home against Wexford and the 3rd placed team in Munster. As far as I know, the preliminary quarter-finals will be the weekend after the McDonagh Cup final.

The McDonagh Cup final will be the curtain raiser for the Leinster final in Croke Park.

These should be two great weekends for Carlow and Westmeath to promote the game within their respective counties.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 11/06/2018 17:52:50    2110138

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All things being even it could be a really good game between Wexford and Carlow or Westmeath. A Leinster humdinger. It's a great time for Carlow. I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 11/06/2018 18:15:44    2110152

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "All things being even it could be a really good game between Wexford and Carlow or Westmeath. A Leinster humdinger. It's a great time for Carlow. I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!"
Your mate wasn't the brightest spark!!

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1005 - 11/06/2018 18:37:33    2110166

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Carlow and Westmeath will be drawn at home against Wexford and the 3rd placed team in Munster. As far as I know, the preliminary quarter-finals will be the weekend after the McDonagh Cup final.

The McDonagh Cup final will be the curtain raiser for the Leinster final in Croke Park.

These should be two great weekends for Carlow and Westmeath to promote the game within their respective counties."
Carlow and Westmeath won't be "drawn"against Wexford or the third placed team in Munster. The winners of the McDonagh will play the third in Munster with the runners up getting Wexford. Ties to be played the following Saturday after the McDonagh final which doesn't leave the winners any time for celebrating. Still, it's a great set up now.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 11/06/2018 18:38:10    2110167

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On the night that Dublin beat Kilkenny (2013), Carlow played Wexford in Wexford Park and almost pulled off what would, arguably, have been a bigger shock. Both teams have improved since then. But Wexford are well ahead and will win. But, for the moment it is about promotion. Hope they get big crowds.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 11/06/2018 18:43:05    2110172

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "All things being even it could be a really good game between Wexford and Carlow or Westmeath. A Leinster humdinger. It's a great time for Carlow. I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!"
I take it that he wasn't studying geography in University.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2155 - 11/06/2018 18:44:37    2110173

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Carlow and Westmeath will be drawn at home against Wexford and the 3rd placed team in Munster. As far as I know, the preliminary quarter-finals will be the weekend after the McDonagh Cup final.

The McDonagh Cup final will be the curtain raiser for the Leinster final in Croke Park.

These should be two great weekends for Carlow and Westmeath to promote the game within their respective counties."
So they are asking Carlow and Westmeath to play 6 days after their final against teams who will have had 4 weeks rest and preparation.

This should work out well.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 11/06/2018 18:51:57    2110183

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "All things being even it could be a really good game between Wexford and Carlow or Westmeath. A Leinster humdinger. It's a great time for Carlow. I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!"
He wasn't studying geography then?

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 11/06/2018 19:07:40    2110193

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Only the winners of the Joe McDonagh cup should advance. There should not be 40% of the teams (2 out of 5, Meath were thrown in for 1 year only to make 6) in a 2nd tier competition qualifying for a 1st tier competition, when only 60% of the 1st tier qualify.
Both 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster should play each other with the winner going to the Preliminary quarter finals along with 3rd in Munster and Leinster and the winner of the McDonagh Cup.

For example this year that would involve a double header of Carlow vs Westmeath, and Tipp vs Dublin, with winners of both qualifying for preliminary quarter finals against Wexford and 3rd in Munster

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 11/06/2018 19:54:11    2110204

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So Tipp and Dublin can win one game each and still be in the all Ireland. So you play all those group matches to eliminate just two teams. Think the bigger counties are getting enough protection as it is.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 61 - 11/06/2018 20:53:05    2110227

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Replying To carlovia:  "So they are asking Carlow and Westmeath to play 6 days after their final against teams who will have had 4 weeks rest and preparation.

This should work out well."
Clare beat Waterford this summer despite having played the weekend before, and Dublin ran Wexford very close in Wexford. If they are good enough they will perform 2 weeks in a row, the winners might have to do it 4 weeks in a row next summer anyway. If you are wanting a weekend off after every game the provincial winners would have 5 weeks with no hurling between the provincial final and AI semi.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 11/06/2018 21:13:14    2110236

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Replying To 890202:  "Only the winners of the Joe McDonagh cup should advance. There should not be 40% of the teams (2 out of 5, Meath were thrown in for 1 year only to make 6) in a 2nd tier competition qualifying for a 1st tier competition, when only 60% of the 1st tier qualify.
Both 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster should play each other with the winner going to the Preliminary quarter finals along with 3rd in Munster and Leinster and the winner of the McDonagh Cup.

For example this year that would involve a double header of Carlow vs Westmeath, and Tipp vs Dublin, with winners of both qualifying for preliminary quarter finals against Wexford and 3rd in Munster"
You are a bit hard there. The Joe McDonagh Cup was introduced to more or less replace the Leinster preliminary round robin and also to deal with the Kerry issue and finding a way back to Munster for them if they were good enough for it. I really don't think your proposals would have got through congress. By all means let your county bring a motion to congress when the trial period has run it's course, likewise the Offaly issue can be addressed there.

As I see it all counties knew exactly what the state of play was BEFORE the competition commenced.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1061 - 11/06/2018 21:21:42    2110244

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Carlow and Westmeath won't be "drawn"against Wexford or the third placed team in Munster. The winners of the McDonagh will play the third in Munster with the runners up getting Wexford. Ties to be played the following Saturday after the McDonagh final which doesn't leave the winners any time for celebrating. Still, it's a great set up now."
Cheers for clearing that up regards that it's McDonagh Cup winners v 3rd Munster and McDonagh Cup Runners-up v Wexford.

According to the GAA website the fixtures will be on the 7th or 8th of July.

The Carlow and Westmeath county boards will have to ensure that there are no shenanigans by the GAA HQ. The fixtures should be on the 8th, giving them the full week to recover.

Ideally the Leinster final and McDonagh Cup final should be two weeks before the preliminary quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 11/06/2018 21:22:28    2110245

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I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 224 - 11/06/2018 18:15:44


Was he from Ireland, if so from where?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 11/06/2018 21:39:56    2110252

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Replying To Soma:  "Clare beat Waterford this summer despite having played the weekend before, and Dublin ran Wexford very close in Wexford. If they are good enough they will perform 2 weeks in a row, the winners might have to do it 4 weeks in a row next summer anyway. If you are wanting a weekend off after every game the provincial winners would have 5 weeks with no hurling between the provincial final and AI semi."
Both Carlow and Westmeath played 5 games in 6 weeks and now there will be the final in 2 weeks time.

Wexford and the 3rd munster team will have had 4 weeks break.

It's a big ask for the winners and losers of a final in Croke Park to come out 6 days later and step up to a higher level.

Just looking for a 2 week break after final for next year.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 11/06/2018 21:40:48    2110253

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Replying To carlovia:  "Both Carlow and Westmeath played 5 games in 6 weeks and now there will be the final in 2 weeks time.

Wexford and the 3rd munster team will have had 4 weeks break.

It's a big ask for the winners and losers of a final in Croke Park to come out 6 days later and step up to a higher level.

Just looking for a 2 week break after final for next year."
They are getting 2 free weekends now before the McDonagh final. They could i suppose play the McDonagh final on the 2nd of them weekends but then it couldn't be part of a double header with the Leinster final, would that be preferable?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 11/06/2018 22:00:39    2110264

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So beating kerry, Meath,, laois and Westmeath means you deserve to progress further in the championship than a team capable of drawing with Cork, waterford and losing to Clare by 2 points?

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 11/06/2018 22:29:12    2110289

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Replying To 890202:  "So beating kerry, Meath,, laois and Westmeath means you deserve to progress further in the championship than a team capable of drawing with Cork, waterford and losing to Clare by 2 points?"
when you put it like that...

On the other hand..they didn't actually win a game.

Phrase it anyway you want to suit whatever argument you want to make, but every team knew the rules before hand. i was skeptical about this championship but it has worked out quite well.

I am sick of all this whinging also about players playing matches and not getting rested. Up to now the complaint was not enough matches. J

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 11/06/2018 23:00:59    2110315

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Replying To 890202:  "So beating kerry, Meath,, laois and Westmeath means you deserve to progress further in the championship than a team capable of drawing with Cork, waterford and losing to Clare by 2 points?"
Thanks for spelling it out for us. 3 game's no wins!!! God the Tipp lads are not even complaining. Maybe you are just getting nervous about your own county being in a similar position in the next couple of years. We all know how they struggled for the last 10 years and probably will again now that the davy factor is wearing off.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 61 - 12/06/2018 00:07:18    2110338

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Replying To 890202:  "Only the winners of the Joe McDonagh cup should advance. There should not be 40% of the teams (2 out of 5, Meath were thrown in for 1 year only to make 6) in a 2nd tier competition qualifying for a 1st tier competition, when only 60% of the 1st tier qualify.
Both 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster should play each other with the winner going to the Preliminary quarter finals along with 3rd in Munster and Leinster and the winner of the McDonagh Cup.

For example this year that would involve a double header of Carlow vs Westmeath, and Tipp vs Dublin, with winners of both qualifying for preliminary quarter finals against Wexford and 3rd in Munster"
so about 20 matches to eliminate 2 teams?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 12/06/2018 09:27:33    2110388

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