|
Which individuals have improved under Andy Mcentee?
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 05/06/2018 22:19:22
2107876
Link
1
|
|
Replying To bert09: "Which individuals have improved under Andy Mcentee?" McGill definitely. ok menton wouldn't play under mod in last year, but he is more solid I think now. Burke also has a new lease of life. Joey wallace is better too, but that could just be progressing. Keoghan biggie still give all as they always have.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/06/2018 23:17:45
2107897
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Foreveraroyal: "Paddy is cost more matches then I can count and I am for one happy that he no Longer part of panel his attitude is all wrong like a lot of Meath Players that have left panel some of them needs reality check and I just hope we keep going well at underage and bring the be talent through and hopefully bring glory days back to Meath football." Judging by your post it may be you who needs a reality check- I would not run down anyone who puts on a jersey let it be club or county. Underage does not always produce the goods but it helps. Many good underage footballers do not develop into good club or intercounty players. I would always concentrate on today as sometimes tomorrow never comes and we do live in the present!
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/06/2018 00:24:53
2107915
Link
16
|
|
Am a die hard Meath supporter since 84 and I find it hard to be optimistic about this game. I think it could be we have got our hopes up too many times before like last year after the Louth game and after two league games this year. Facts are Tyrone have played a lot of division 1 football and have been in the shake up in the last 4 for a number of years. Meath have been playing division 2 football and struggling at that. Really hope Tyrone are brutal on the day and we raise our game and maybe we can get the win but I think it is unlikely. Anyway up the Royal - will be shouting for them on Saturday more in hope than anything else
MeathWawa (Meath) - Posts: 61 - 06/06/2018 01:01:25
2107917
Link
0
|
|
Replying To bobkarlgees: "That's totally ridiculous. Are you seriously saying that our Devnish are given the same amount of financial support as AIG ?" No but they are getting more then enough
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 885 - 06/06/2018 06:38:48
2107926
Link
16
|
|
Replying To royaldunne: "Not saying he wouldn't, but this year it's been McGill as the stand out player, with colgan lavin Reilly keoghan in close contention next.
Where did I say keoghan wasn't a great player??" We will agree to differ, but suggesting that there have been 4 or 5 better than him this year while saying he is great!!! does that mean we have 5 or 6 great players, really?
longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 06/06/2018 08:36:46
2107940
Link
1
|
|
Replying To southmeathgael: "No but they are getting more then enough" Interesting comment....what exactly are they getting thats more than enough??
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 06/06/2018 08:44:14
2107942
Link
0
|
|
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/2653710/longford-beating-meath-no-surprise/
Great read, interview with Graham Geraghty
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 06/06/2018 09:03:48
2107948
Link
0
|
|
I think Southmeathgael is correct and money/finance does not make a player better. Recent figures suggest that we are 5th highest in terms of spend-maybe I'm incorrect with that.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/06/2018 10:26:16
2107966
Link
16
|
|
Replying To browncows: "I think Southmeathgael is correct and money/finance does not make a player better. Recent figures suggest that we are 5th highest in terms of spend-maybe I'm incorrect with that." Just to see the comparison for people who still believe Meath are doing well with what funds we are given.
Team expenses for Meath team last year €37,136, Dublin €251,854.
Not alot to be allocated per man is it....
Granted we are not the only team to get crap funding, from what i can see we are actually looked after ok but we certainly arent the 5th highest in terms of expenditure.
All the figures for each county, what is allocated and exactly where its spent is on this link
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-receive-e15-million-more-than-any-other-county-in-games-development-grants-over-the-last-decade-149534
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 06/06/2018 11:10:35
2107981
Link
0
|
|
Loyalroyal17 (Meath)- I'm not ruling funding but sometimes too much emphasis is placed upon it. I think a little bit of luck would help. Three years ago the team were beaten narrowly in Omagh and last year in Navan in championship. I do think too much emphasis is put into the league with a lot of training. Teams have to be fit but one can only get so fit and after that the skills and work rate come into play. Managing and playing at county level is now very difficult and players do need to have a life.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/06/2018 11:51:11
2108001
Link
16
|
|
Replying To browncows: "Loyalroyal17 (Meath)- I'm not ruling funding but sometimes too much emphasis is placed upon it. I think a little bit of luck would help. Three years ago the team were beaten narrowly in Omagh and last year in Navan in championship. I do think too much emphasis is put into the league with a lot of training. Teams have to be fit but one can only get so fit and after that the skills and work rate come into play. Managing and playing at county level is now very difficult and players do need to have a life." I totally agree with you, i only posted that to show the figure because some were querying them.
I personally think they are putting too much into training as regard to running the a**es off the lads but sure this is no good if we dont know what to be doing with a ball! The lads went on a training weekend before the Longford game and its safe to say we played terrible so it gets you questioning whats going on in these training sessions except building lads like tanks. Lads that are still on the team are happy enough to be putting in all their time and effort but you can only imagine the frame of mind coming home on the bus, take after Longford game, to come away with the result we did must be very disheartening after all they are putting in. We need to focus on tactics, he has them to a level where they all have 70mins in them i just wish we could move on and show lads the correct thing to do with a ball when they get it because the mistakes we are making are silly errors that shouldn't be happening...no excuses.
Things seem quiet in camp & im taking this as a positive because anytime we are told lads are in great frame of mind for games etc we cant show this on the pitch.
With a bit of luck the gods will be on our side because if we haven't ironed out the school boy errors of dropping that ball short every single time they get (is it panic?) its going to cause us to work alot harder.
I do still think we will beat Tyrone, providing we have knocked this crap on the head.
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 06/06/2018 12:21:07
2108019
Link
0
|
|
Replying To royaldunne: "McGill definitely. ok menton wouldn't play under mod in last year, but he is more solid I think now. Burke also has a new lease of life. Joey wallace is better too, but that could just be progressing. Keoghan biggie still give all as they always have." Ironically I thought Menton played his best as wing back during his final season under mod.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 06/06/2018 12:32:10
2108025
Link
2
|
|
If fermanagh can beat hot favorites Monaghan with a game plan to stifle them from playing then surely we can come up with so type of a strategy. I don't care if its s$$t football as long as we start winning. We need to build confidence in the players and that comes from winning.
Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 418 - 06/06/2018 12:47:57
2108034
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Foley91: "If fermanagh can beat hot favorites Monaghan with a game plan to stifle them from playing then surely we can come up with so type of a strategy. I don't care if its s$$t football as long as we start winning. We need to build confidence in the players and that comes from winning." I don't care if it's one nil once we the winners. Lateral hand passing for 67 mins if needed. Be up on there 20mtr line and pass it the whole way back to colgan. It's winning is ALL THAT MATTERS.
HON THE ROYAL
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/06/2018 13:19:13
2108050
Link
0
|
|
Replying To royaldunne: "I don't care if it's one nil once we the winners. Lateral hand passing for 67 mins if needed. Be up on there 20mtr line and pass it the whole way back to colgan. It's winning is ALL THAT MATTERS.
HON THE ROYAL" Exactly. I hope Andy is showing the lads a video of 96 to get the lads motivated.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 06/06/2018 14:19:09
2108075
Link
0
|
|
If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would be a masive result for Meath and leinster football. I will give reasons in another message.
First it would be a massive shock and unlikely that Tyrone double Ulster champions and top 5 or 6 team would beat a Meath team that hasnt reached a provincial final in 4 years. Tyrone have a few injuries but Meath have lost half a panel , a full team of players since last summer eg O Rourke, Toibin, Power , Harnan, Rooney, Jones, Forde, O Coilean, Toher, Mckeever, Newman Toibin. 11 of those players played in the championship for Meath last year. So this Tyrone team, which is already one of the most sucessful to come out of the county ever ( only 4 Tyrone teams have won two in a row Ulster titles eg 56 57, 95 96, 09 10, 16 17) would be massive favourites and desevedly so.
However the last two times Meath played Tyrone in championship in 13 in Croker and 15 in Omagh. Tyrone won by 2 points in both games after Meath went to toe to toe with Tyrone in both games. In 2013 the game was level with 8 or 9 mins to go and 2 handy frees for Tyrone won the game. Meath played very well that day with Eamon Wallace running riot scoring 1 -4 from play. In 2015 again it was nip and tuck coming up to the last 10 mins. Tyrone got a penalty which wasnt a penalty in any shape or orm. After Tyrone scoring the peno, Meath went up the field and Joey Wallace had the legs cut from nder him in the square , a stone wall peno, which Meath didnt win and the game was over. So the last two championship matchs have been very tight affairs and only for a few referee decisions the game was very 50 - 50. Meath played Tyrone in 2011 in the league in a cracking game which ended in a draw with Meath scoring 19 points. And of course we famously beat their great team in 07 in a quater final.
We do seem to play well v Tyrone. And Meath in the past always seemed to up their game v the top counties. And in this decade that is still part of Meath football. The games v Tyrone in 13 and 15, games v Donegal in 2014 and 2017 and games v Galway in 2014 2016 and 2017 are proof of that. Also Navan is a tough place to win. Prior to 2000 Navan was one of the toughest places to win in the country. And while our record in Navan is not as good, I would still say Meath have an 80% plus victory average in Navan in this decade, Navan is still a tough place to beat Meath. But overall the fear is for Meath is our record v Ulster teams is appalling , Tyrone are a better team, very well drilled and organised and a serious ack of belief in Meath football, means Tyrone could win by 6 or 7 points with little pressure from Meath.
However because we are not as bad as people think, we always seem to play well v Tyrone and up our games v top teams so a Meath big performance is not out of the question. But truth is Meath victory is not the cards as this Tyrone team is a proven top division 1 team.
If Meath did win it would blow this believe that Meath are somewhat crap out of the water. Meath have been incredibly inconsistent. But there has been some results to indicate Meath arent as bad as people think. Meath in the last 12 months have had real good performances v top 8 teams. In the last year Meath have beaten Galway, drew with Roscommon in Roscommon, drew with Cork in Cork and lost by point to Donegal. Meath also hammered Clare twice by 12 and 14 points, hammered Down by 9 points and hammered Fermanagh by 15 points all in the last year. If u said say Offaly in the last 12 months had beaten Galway, drew with Roscommon and Cork, lost by 1 point to.Donegal and hammered Clare twice Fermanagh and Down. People would say Offaly are going well at the moment. Meath are always unrated and undervalued even when we some Sam. And unbelievably Meath were only 1 win away from promotion to div 1 .( If Meath defeated Cavan in the league this year Meath would have been promoted). Which is the 4th time in 5 years Meath have been just 1 win away from promotion to div 1. Meath arent as off the pace as people think.
There is a serious lack of belief in Meath and problems playing a modern tactically driven game. The defeats can be explained in that v kildare and Cavan , Meath were playing at the time the two form teams in div 2 and at the time Cavan and kildare were playing some of the best football in 4 divisions. Tipp are one of the top up and coming young teams in the country. While longford in longford is one of the toughest place to win in football with a longford nearly beaten kerry Dublin Tyrone in the championship in last 10 to 12 years in Pearse Park and longford defeating Monaghan Mayo Derry Down and Meath in recent years.
The fact is Meaths defeats are the games which are completely focussed on while the good performances v top 8 teams and form teams are completely ignored altogether.
However if Meath were to beat Tyrone it would definatly indicate along with performances v Galway Roscommon Donegal Clare Fermanagh that Meath are not the average team many people want and so badly need to believe they are .
Another reason why a Meath victory would be massive is ..
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2018 14:59:20
2108094
Link
16
|
|
If Meath did beat Tyrone it would be a massive result for Meath football and leinster football in general Why?
1 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would Meath biggest win in the championship since the 5 goal hammering of Dublin in 2010 or Mayo in 2009. Meaths best result in this decade and in last 10 years.
2 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would be one of the best victories for leinster team outide Dublin outside the provience in the championship in nearly two decades.
Why? In this decade only 1 team in leinster besides Dublin have beaten a top division 1 team , a top 5 or 6 team in the country and that was longford beating Monaghan in 2016. Since 2000 only 5 times have leinster teams outside Dublin have beaten top division 1 teams in the championship outside the provience. Those victories v top division 1 teams since 2000 are Westmeath v Mayo in 2001, Meath v kerry in 2001, Meath v Tyrone in 2007, Laois v Tyrone in 2004 and longford v Monaghan in 2016. Thats it. Meath did beat Galway in the championship in 07 and 11 but Galway in 07 and 11 were not a top division 1 team. Meath defeated Mayo in 2009 and longford defeated Mayo in 2010 in the championship but Mayo were in transition and the current Mayo team didnt take off til 2011 2012.
The fact is outside Dublin leinster teams have only beaten top opposition (division 1 top 5 or 6 teams outside leinster ) 5 times in near two decades. A Meath victory v Tyrone would be the fifth victory in 18 years. Tyrone are a top 8 team and in every ranking I have seen in the internet or papers in the last 3 years they have been in the top 4 or 5 teams in the country. They are double Ulster champions,( they r one of the most sucessful Tyrone team ever, only 80s, 90s and 0ss Tyrone teams were more sucessful) so a Meath victory would be significant for Meath football but also a very significant result for leinster football.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2018 15:02:24
2108096
Link
15
|
|
Replying To Furlong1949: "If Meath did beat Tyrone it would be a massive result for Meath football and leinster football in general Why?
1 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would Meath biggest win in the championship since the 5 goal hammering of Dublin in 2010 or Mayo in 2009. Meaths best result in this decade and in last 10 years.
2 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would be one of the best victories for leinster team outide Dublin outside the provience in the championship in nearly two decades.
Why? In this decade only 1 team in leinster besides Dublin have beaten a top division 1 team , a top 5 or 6 team in the country and that was longford beating Monaghan in 2016. Since 2000 only 5 times have leinster teams outside Dublin have beaten top division 1 teams in the championship outside the provience. Those victories v top division 1 teams since 2000 are Westmeath v Mayo in 2001, Meath v kerry in 2001, Meath v Tyrone in 2007, Laois v Tyrone in 2004 and longford v Monaghan in 2016. Thats it. Meath did beat Galway in the championship in 07 and 11 but Galway in 07 and 11 were not a top division 1 team. Meath defeated Mayo in 2009 and longford defeated Mayo in 2010 in the championship but Mayo were in transition and the current Mayo team didnt take off til 2011 2012.
The fact is outside Dublin leinster teams have only beaten top opposition (division 1 top 5 or 6 teams outside leinster ) 5 times in near two decades. A Meath victory v Tyrone would be the fifth victory in 18 years. Tyrone are a top 8 team and in every ranking I have seen in the internet or papers in the last 3 years they have been in the top 4 or 5 teams in the country. They are double Ulster champions,( they r one of the most sucessful Tyrone team ever, only 80s, 90s and 0ss Tyrone teams were more sucessful) so a Meath victory would be significant for Meath football but also a very significant result for leinster football." I always try to be optimistic and don't disagree with of the stats that you have included here, I notice that our last 2 league games against them are omitted, I was at both, Tyrone won without breaking sweat. Agree that we were very unlucky in Omagh not to get to extra time at least, Look at that team and then look at the team that will take the field this weekend? which is stronger?
While I am not really convinced by Tyrone, and dont really see them as All Ireland contenders, they are in a much stronger position than we are. they will be missing a number of first choice players, Peter Harte in particular is a big miss for them, however I feel that they will have too much for us.
This year we have beaten 3 teams in properly competitive games. Louth who are absolutely pathetic, Clare got beat by Kerry by 22 pts last week and are going nowhere and Down who are the great unknowns, they got to Ulster final last year and should have won the first day before being blown away in the replay. Think Donegal will beat Down comfortably at the weekend.
We have lost 21 players for 1 reason or another in the past 2 years, No harm to any man on the team and fair play to them for the huge level of commitment that they show but we simply do not have all the best possible players playing for meath, for us to improve that stat simply has to change. While some may argue that a lot of the lads gone would be no improvement on the lads currently playing, that is simply nonsense,
Harnan, Jones, Forde, O'Caoilain would all be in the 15 if available along with plenty more in the best 26. Simply put we set up defensively against Longford who scored 16 pts. We only went at them in the last 10 when the game was over and they had no answer, why wait until we are beaten before taking them on? If we play like we did again on Saturday we will be beat by 8 to 10 pts.
I really hope that I'm wrong, a big performance is needed but we really need to win, by any or whatever means necessary.
longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 06/06/2018 15:59:26
2108112
Link
1
|
|
Replying To Furlong1949: "If Meath did beat Tyrone it would be a massive result for Meath football and leinster football in general Why?
1 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would Meath biggest win in the championship since the 5 goal hammering of Dublin in 2010 or Mayo in 2009. Meaths best result in this decade and in last 10 years.
2 If Meath were to beat Tyrone it would be one of the best victories for leinster team outide Dublin outside the provience in the championship in nearly two decades.
Why? In this decade only 1 team in leinster besides Dublin have beaten a top division 1 team , a top 5 or 6 team in the country and that was longford beating Monaghan in 2016. Since 2000 only 5 times have leinster teams outside Dublin have beaten top division 1 teams in the championship outside the provience. Those victories v top division 1 teams since 2000 are Westmeath v Mayo in 2001, Meath v kerry in 2001, Meath v Tyrone in 2007, Laois v Tyrone in 2004 and longford v Monaghan in 2016. Thats it. Meath did beat Galway in the championship in 07 and 11 but Galway in 07 and 11 were not a top division 1 team. Meath defeated Mayo in 2009 and longford defeated Mayo in 2010 in the championship but Mayo were in transition and the current Mayo team didnt take off til 2011 2012.
The fact is outside Dublin leinster teams have only beaten top opposition (division 1 top 5 or 6 teams outside leinster ) 5 times in near two decades. A Meath victory v Tyrone would be the fifth victory in 18 years. Tyrone are a top 8 team and in every ranking I have seen in the internet or papers in the last 3 years they have been in the top 4 or 5 teams in the country. They are double Ulster champions,( they r one of the most sucessful Tyrone team ever, only 80s, 90s and 0ss Tyrone teams were more sucessful) so a Meath victory would be significant for Meath football but also a very significant result for leinster football." I got the year wrong about Laois beating Tyrone. Tyrone hammered laois in 2004. I got the year wrong. Laois defeated Tyrone in the championship in 2006 not 2004. In 2006 in round 2 of the qualifiers in Portlaoise in the championship Result Laois 0-9 Tyrone 0-6.
The fact is if we beat Tyrone on Sat ( and it is a long shot) it would be a massive result for Meath football and leinster football, our best victory since Dublin in 2010 and Mayo in 2009. And if we won it would only the 6th time a leinster team has beaten top oppostion div 1 team outside provience in nearly two decades, since 2000.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2018 16:04:51
2108114
Link
16
|