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It's also a sign of two Counties getting the finger out and trying to do the best they can with whatever resources they have, not sitting on their hands and blaming Dublin for all their woes.
AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 28/05/2018 13:48:38 2104742 Link 1 |
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Well we still have the option to do that if we lose so i dont want to close the "blame Dublin" door just yet. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 28/05/2018 14:09:37 2104764 Link 2 |
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Not sure about Kildare but for Meath it's a combination of things. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 28/05/2018 14:35:15 2104780 Link 0 |
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Come back to me after a few hockeyings against Dublin and we'll see how much interest there is in Carlow and Longford and whether ye could be bothered turning up or not...
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 28/05/2018 14:44:34 2104789 Link 2 |
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Firstly we need to congratulate longford and Carlow. The fact is yesterday was a great day for leinster football because two great leinster teams had two great victories they have not had in a long time. It was a great day for Longford for their players manager supporters and all the hard work that has been done on the ground and the same for Carlow, a great day for Carlow. That cannot be said enough times. And if we want to talk about state of leinster football in this era thats a different debate to be had. But do not take away from great gaa people in longford and Carlow. It is there time to shine. Well done again to both counties. Now a separate debate is leinster football during this era , during the last 5 or 6 year or so. A debate that is going on yearly is seems all the time. What I would say about Meath decline has been for many factors. I can give you 20 reasons why Meath have declined and not 1 reason has to do with Dublin. But in terms of the future there is other issues. The one great misconception is that population growth in Meath and kildare will lead to sucess. Thats a falsehood. Its not. Many people who have moved to kildare or Meath have no interest in GAA and the others are Dubs who want their kids to support and play for Dublin. I will give you a stat that is telling. In the latest census in Donegal 1 in 10 people are not from Donegal. In Cork 1 in 10 people are not from Cork. In Meath 7 in 10 people are not from Meath. So basically 90% of people in Donegal are from Donegal , while in Meath 30% of people in Meath are from Meath. Thats quite a turnaround in Meath popualtion demongraphics in 20 years. And it is not helping Meath GAA on the ground. Clearly Meath need to put in work to try and change peoples minds. That will take work on thre ground, money and investment. But some people will not allow their kids to support or play for Meath, whatever you do. 1 Population and resources doesnt gurantee sucess. One example, Wicklow. Wicklow has the population resources economy a d location . Wicklow have a very strong club scene. Yet with all these advantages they are in bottom 2 or 3 counties out of 32 in the whole country. Only themselves and Fermanagh have never won a provincial title. And they only won their first match in Croker in the championship a couple of years ago eg mid 00s. So Wicklow shows pop resources dont gurantee sucess. Take limerick a sportsmad county. Great strong GAA tradition and scene. Big population and resources yet in hurling Limerick have only won 1 senior hurling title in 90 years. And in football limerick havent beaten kerry in the championship or won a Munster senior football title in 120 years. Take Antrim. Now I know half the population is not going to play. But when you see Monaghan doing so well. Antrim with pop location and resources should be doing better. Yet Antrim havent won a Ulster football title in over 75 years. Resources or Population dont gurantee sucess. Its much more complicated. 2 Another point I would to make this is not a leinster problem this is a national problem. Lets focus on other strong football counties plummeting recently 1 This is Downs worst decade since 1950s 2 This is Derrys worst decade since 1960s eg Div 4 currently 3 This Armghs worst decade since 60s eg 3 out of 4 years in div 3 and not a single win in Ulster in 4 years. Armagh have spent 3 years in div 3 recently. That hasnt happened to Armagh since the the 60s. Armagh won Ulster titles in 70s 80s 90s and 00s. This will be first decade in half century they havent won a provincial title if they dont next year, 4 This is Corks worst period since 1950s. In div 2 beating by Tipp, uncompetitive v kerry. 5 This is Galways worst decade in 100 years so far. Galway havent won a match in championship in Croker in 17 years. This would be the first Galways first decade they have not reached an All Ireland since independence if they dont in next 2 years. Galway havent reached a semi final in 17 years. 6 This is Offalys worst decade since 50s. Offaly have reached a leinster final in every decade since the 50s. This will be the first one they havent if they dont this or next year. 7 This is laois worst decade since 70s eg Div 4 this spring 8 This is Meath worst and one of kildares worst decades since 1920s. kildare worst along with the 1980s Thats allot of counties which 20 or 15 years ago were winning provicial titles and even All Irelands. Alot of counties are bottoming out together. Yes there is leinster teams above but there is also other strong football counties hitting rock bottom. 3 The problem is the counties who are having a bad decade are strong traditional football counties. They are are strong football strongholds. And what happens if Mayo Monaghan decline and no one takes there place at the top table. Galways record since 60s is patchy. For example Galway havent won in the championship in 17 years in Croker. And Galway didnt win in the championship in Croker between 1984 and 1997. They havent beaten Kerry in 53 years or Dublin in over 90 years in the championship. They have only beaten 5 top division 1 teams outside Connacht in half century eg 1971 Down 1998 Derry Kildare 01 Meath Armagh. Theres no gurantee Galway will step up to mark. What about in Ulster. The Monaghan team declines and break up Derry Down Armagh none of them look like they are going to take on Dublin pretty soon. And there is serious question mark over Tyrone. And when Harte leaves they could go the way of Meath after Boylan or Man Utd after Ferguson. When a sucessful manager decades in charge leaves that team always seem to decline. Anyway the issue is so many strong football counties having hit an all time low. It would be like Galway Wexford Waterford limerick Clare and Cork all having their worst decade ever in hurling collectively. Meath Cork and Down are in the top 6 most sucessful counties. Not to long ago the 3 of them together won 8 All Irelands in 12 years. 4 Take Cork and Munster Also Cork are at their lowest in decades. Cork have never been out of the top 5 or 6 teams in the country in 50 years or more. In the 70s and early 80s Cork were always in the top 3 or 4 teams in the country. In the late 80s and early 90s Cork were in the top 2. In the rest of the 90s Cork were in the top 6 teams in the country. In 00s every year Cork were in the top 4 or 5 teams in country. In the last 4 or 5 years that has changed. Cork for the first time in generations are outside the top 5 or 6. Cork are not even in the top 10 currently. Cork are just about in the top 15. Never before have Cork in the last 50 or 60 years being outside the top 10 teams in the country. Not since the 50s have Cork been beaten by Tipp, Cork have been in div 2 and not competitive v kerry. While Kerry won most of the battles in 70s 80s 90s and 00s v Cork.Most people gave Cork a chance when they played Kerry. No one gave Cork chance to beat kerry in last 3 years. And no one gives Cork a chance in beating kerry this year. So in many ways the current Munster championship is historically low because Cork are at their lowest since the 50s and Tipp and Clare have yet to manage a serious massiive challenge on the kingdom. So the kingdom have won allot of Munster tiltes. But its in a very uncompetitive time with unsually uncompetitvie Cork in Munster football. Compared to the challenge Cork presented in the 00s 90s and 80s to kerry. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 16:20:22 2104881 Link 2 |
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It seems to me and its only my opinion that the Dubs have gone very defensive when anyone mentions the state of leinster football or football in general. I think they see it as having a dig at Dublins credentials as a great team. It is definitely not. You can talk and anaylsis the state of leinster football and say it has never been as poor. That in no way takes away one bit from the greatness of this Dublin team. We can talk about the demise of strong football counties but none of this impacts of Dublin greatness or place in history. Why because it's all about the titles. In golf your greatness is judged on how many majors you can win. The same in tennis how many Wimbledons you can win. In soccer its how premier leagues or European cups you can win. In football its how many Sam Maguires you lift. Dublin have won a 3 in row and 5 in total and they should win more on the way. There place in history is certain and there is widespread recognition by everyone in the gaa world that this Dublin team is one of the greatest teams ever and if they win 4 in a row they will be second greatest and if they win 5 in a row or 9 titles in total they are the greatest. And some people believe they are the greatest ever already. So Dubs dont have to get so touchy. Everyone accepts the brillance of this Dublin team. But that doesnt mean we cannot ask questions when we see other issues eg the state of leinster. When Dublin didnt reach a final in 16 years the Dubs were asking questions. And for me I actually find the Dublin response surprising. If Meath or Cork or Down or kildare or Armagh are brought up, the general reaction in Dublin is basically its your own fault , hard luck. And Mayo and Donegal are always mentioned and it is said well if Mayo can do it , why cannot u guys. Nothing to see here its your own fault your in the mess u r. No mention that Donegal had a charismatic brillant best manager of his generation or that Mayo everyone in Mayo man woman and child are on passionate crusade almost to end the famine break the curse. Winning an All Ireland means more to Mayo then any other county. Mayo have unique driving factors pushing them to finals. Thats fair enough. There is truth to that. It is our own fault I can give u 20 reasons why Meath have declined. And not one mention of Dublin. But when Meath teams were beating Dublin teams 9 times and 3 draws in the 80s and 90s, and Dublin couldnt beat kerry teams in 70s 80s and 00s and Dublin teams had problems beating Ulster teams like Donegal Derry Down Tyrone and Armagh in 90s and 00s. And Dublin went from 96 to 2010 without reaching final. I have to say the GAA in general didn't turn their back on Dublin and didnt say its your own fault, hard luck. In the early 00s after defeats to kildare loais and Westmeath The Dubs got plenty of support when allot of people accepted we needed a strong Dublin. And when Costello wrote that report which set out Dublins future the gaa backed Dublin and GAA were supportive of the Dubs coz they realised the importance of a strong Dublin. It would be great if Dublin would now recognise the importance of a strong leinster championship. Just even discussing it without getting so defensive would be a good start. The fact is GAA is made up amateurs. And the true spirit of amateurism is we are all part of a community, a GAA community and we should try and make sure that always remains so. Its in Dublins future interest that there is a more competitive leinster and strong counties like Galway Down come back to the fore. We have to be fair to the Dubs also. When kerry and kilkenny were winning multiple titles questions of finances were not mentioned. So we have to be fair to the Dubs. But we also should be able to talk about finances and Dublin and it is something that is being talked about in GAA circles up and down the country. But it has got very little attention in the mainstream media. There is the odd article and particularly Mckenna talking about it. But I do find it strange the Sunday Game which loves contervesey has never mentioned the Dubs and their financial clout. That is a strange one But let me be clear Dublins sucess is down to a golden generation of players brillant managers and an army of volunteers coaching in clubs across the capital. We can mention the finances in that more can be done for other counties. But if we mention it doesnt take away from the achievements of this great Dublin team. And their greatness is accepted widespread in GAA world. The issue I have is what is coming down the tracks. And its not a money issue its a population issue. Dublin should dip in the 2020s. They will remain strong but shouldn't be as dominate. There is a consensus out there that kilkenny and kerry were dominate nationwide for decades. This is false.When kerry or kilkenny had great teams afterwards they dipped. Then kerry particularly would pick up an All Ireland now and again between great teams eg 1997 2014. After kerrys great 4 in a row team in the 30s kerry dippped, after kerrys greatest ever team in late 70s early 80s, kerry went 11 years without Sam. After Meaths greatest teams ever s Meath have declined. After Wexford 14 to 18, Galway 64 65 66 , Cavan 40s 50s all.had great teams and all the counties declined or dipped after sucess. After Tipperary had their greatest team in early 60s with 4 All Ireland wins the following decade Tipp had a nighmare period and it was not til 1987 they returned to the top of the table. Kilkenny have a dipped a little since 4 in a row but only for Cody they would have dropped more. So we should see Dublin decline a bit when the great team break up and Cluxton Connolly and Brogan retire. If Dublin continue to dominate like they do now on a national scale in 2020s 2030s then that would be unusual. If we see more three in a row four in a row Dublin 8 out of 10 All Ireland in 2020s and 2030s then we are looking at something that is out of the normal. I think a issue could be population. In the next 20 30 years we will population growing in Dublin. We will see a masive growth in age group 12 to 18. I think 400000 will in secondary schools for the first time. The Dublin team is very popular and you could see a massive increase in numbers playing gaa in Dublin. You are already seen across the capital 100s of young players being coached by all the great Dublin clubs. And that is admirable. Also u see suburbia middle class gaelgoir Dubs ( alot of them with country parents) turning on mass to GAA. Even Dalkey Bonos parish is winning an All Ireland club title, even 15 years ago that was unthinkable. Its a perfect storm brewing down the line for Dublin for future sucess. Even kildare and Meath are becoming football nurserys for Dublin as the population increase in both those counties is having no positive impact on GAA there. What you could see is a conveyor belt of inter county talent the likes we have never seen before coming down the tracks. The only thing that is different from this great Dublin team and other great football teams is the strenght of depth of panel. Never in the history of football have we seen the depth of a panel that Dublin have currently. Dublin won the All Ireland last year with their greatest forward of the last 35 years and one of their greatest ever Bernard Brogan on the bench. Also on the bench was Connolly, probably the most talented Dublin footballer ever and Flynn the best wing forward I have ever seen and Mcauley former footballer of the year also on the bench. You basically had nearly 4 former footballers of the year on the Dublin bench. Now that is unprecedented. The great kerry team of 70s and 80s did not have that sort of talent on the bench..The Meath teams of 80s and 90s had one supersub and that was it eg Mattie Mcabe Jody Devine. The same you could say for Great Galway Offaly Down Armgh Dublin teams of the past. I cannot think of any team that won Sam with so much talent on the bench. Dublin basically have two teams of intercounty players at the moment. If Dublin entered a second team they would compete well and could reach a leinster final at least. A second Dublin team won the Bryne Cup last year. Lets say this population increase leads to more conveyor belt of talent. Dublin having 3 or 4 or 5 teams inter county standard teams of players , this could happen. Look at how Small basically a brillant inter county player appears on the scene.Or how Callaghan who looks like Dublin Jimmy Barry Murphy appears on the team. After having 3 of the greatest Dublin forwards ever recently, Callaghan has that much talent and promise he could become the greatest Dublin player since Heffernan. If Dublin continue to produce such talent throughout the next 20 years or so the All Irelands will surely follow by the bucketload. And if this domination continues this is where it will bite Dublin. You will see a lack of interest where we could see an All Ireland semi final like we had in 1982 when 15000 turned up to see kerry and Dublin. When it starts to hit GAA confers the GAA will then act and Colm O Rourke much ridiculed idea of two Dublin teams could happen. Dublin wouldnt be split but you could see a Dublin A team and Dublin B team play in the championship. Penalties against Dublin and other issues will arise. So its in Dublins interest to see a stronger leinster championship. Its in Dublins interest to talk about strong counties in decline. To be defensive is not the way I knew the Dubs would act in 70s 80s and 90s and 00s. And simply put when Dublin won leinster in 1955 1958 1974 1984 1989 1992 2002, when they won a leinster title back then it was celebrated like an All Ireland win, it meant so much to the Dubs. Now the Dubs have to almost force themselves to cheer another Delaney cup victory. Its a pity , the next generation of Dubs might never feel the passion the tension and magic of a proper Meath v Dublin leinster final. A competitive Meath play v Dubs and before kick off no one is sure who will win , Dublin or Meath. That would be a pity. It must be said also, that we need to be fair to the Dubs. This is not Dublins fault. Their sucess is down to talent and hard work by player managers and underage trainers and coachs. Fair play to them. But if you have a leinster championship like it is at the moment continuing forevermore, thats in no ones interest. Of course the Dubs can keep saying its your own fault look at Mayo. But just to discuss the issues in football doesnt lessen the greatness of this team and in the long term its in Dublins own interest to see a stronger leinster championship and strong football teams nationwide. Imagine in 2025 Dublin v Down final or in 2027 A Dublin v Cork final or in 2030 a Dublin v Meath All Ireland final where Down Cork and Meath have a genuine chance of beaten Dublin. That would be great for football but also great for Dublin. But sure what do I know Im just one of those bitter Meath smelly ranchers what would we know. Its all our own fault. But it was also all Dublins own fault when they reached no final in 16 years. The GAA community supported the Dubs then. Dublin ask not what the GAA can do for you but what can u do for the GAA. Or simply at least discuss and at least talk about football problems without getting so defensive. We need to see more of that world famous Dublin charm and crack and not being ao bloody serious and defensive . Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 16:24:24 2104887 Link 1 |
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Yes Dublin have always being strong, between 1974 and 1985 Dublin reached 9 All Ireland finals and won 9 leinster titles in 11 years. The only difference now is in late 70s and early 80s Dublin couldnt beat Kerry they can now. In the last 55 or 56 years I think Dublin have won 29 Meath 13 Offaly 9 Kildare 2 Laois Westmeath and longford 1 leinster titles each each. Dublin have been the kingpins for a long time in leinster. Take Meath and Offaly out of the equation Dublin could potentially have won 49 of the last 55 leinster titles You had a golden age of leinster football between 96 to 05 with Meath Dublin Kildare Offaly Laois and Westmeath were winners. But that was an unusual period of competitiveness in leinster football. But before that from 1958 to 1997 Dublin Meath and Offaly divided all the leinster titles between each other . Only longfords win in 1968 broke up that sequence and Louths win in 1957 and Kildare in 1956. Dublin could have won 38 leinster titles in a row during this period in the 60s 70s 80s and early 90s only for Meath and Offaly. Regards the leinster championship Dublin have always being strong but the current situation in leinster is similar to Cavan in the 30s and 40s in that Dublin have no real challenge or rival in the provience in years. Thats unprecedented. But yes this has been a unprecedented poor decade for leinster , in that there has always being 2 or 3 top div 1 teams in leinster. We havent had that since early 00s. The last leinster teams to reach a national league divsion 1 final besides Dublin was laois in 2003 and Meath in 2000. The last leinster team to win a national league div 1 final was Offaly twenty years ago in 1998. Stats below to prove this In the 1920s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had 2 time All Ireland winners and 6 time leinster winners kildare as a rival In the 1930s Kildare 3 time leinster champions had Dublin leinster champions , Meath leinster Champions, national league division 1 winners and All Ireland finalist as rivals In the 40s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had louth multiple leinster winners and Carlow Wexford and Dublin all leinster title winners as rivals. Wexford and louth were also national league division 1 runner-up in this decade. In the 1950s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Louth 1 time All Ireland winner and kildare leinster title winners and national league division 1 runner-up as rivals and so were Carlow national league division 1 runner-up . In the 1960s Meath 1 time All Ireland winner had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Offaly 2 time All Ireland finalist and Longford leinster titles winners and national league division 1 winners and kildare were national league division 1 runner-up as rivals In the 1970s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had Offaly 2 time All Ireland winners , Meath All Ireland finalist leinster title and national league division 1 winners and kildare 4 times leinster finalist as rivals In the 1980s Meath two time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , Offaly 1 time All Ireland winners and laois national league division 1 winners as rivals In the 90s Meath 2 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , kildare All Ireland finalist leinster title winners and Offaly leinster title winners and national league division 1 final winners as rivals In the 00s Meath All Ireland finalist and leinster winners had Dublin multiple leinster final winners and kildare Westmeath and laois were all leinster title winners as rivals In this decade Dublin 5 times All Ireland champions have no rivals full stop. Only Meath have won 1 leinster title in 2010 in this decade outside Dublin. And Meath have fallen apart since. Not 1 leinster teams outside Dublin has a reached an All Ireland final this decade. No team in leinster has played consistent division 1 football. Dublin have not had to face strong division 1 opposition since mid 00s. kildare have spent 3 years in divsion 1 this decade. Two of them they were relegated. This will be the first decade ever you will not have a Leinster team outside Dublin winnining or at least reaching a national league division 1 final. Stats Below In the 1930s Meath won national league division 1 title and kildare were in divsion 1 for years In the 1940s Meath won national league division 1 title and Louth were in divsion 1 for years. Louth and Wexford were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also. In the 1950s Meath won 1 national league division 1 titles, kildare were in division 1 for years and reached a national league division division 1 final , while louth were in division 1 for most of the decade and Carlow were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also. In the 1960s Meath and Offaly were in divsion 1 for most of the decade and kildare reached a national league division 1 final. In the 1970s Meath won national league division 1 title and Offaly and kildare were in division 1 at the start of the decade In the 1980s laois and Meath won national league division 1 titles each. Offaly were in divsion 1 at the start of the decade In the 1990s Meath won 2 national league division 1 titles and Offaly won 1 national league division 1 title. kildare were years in division 1 and reached a national league division 1 final in the early 90s. . In the 00s Meath and laois reached national league division 1 finals and kildare spent periods in divsion 1. In this decade No leinster team outside Dublin has won or even reached national league division 1 final. Any teams from leinster that have reached division 1 in this decade have all pretty much being relegated the year after . Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 16:30:30 2104896 Link 1 |
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Nightmare draw for ye Furlong just compounding matters realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 28/05/2018 17:04:02 2104916 Link 1 |
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Agree 110 % realdub, it is a nighmare draw, Meath have being knocked out of the championship in the last 5 years in a row by Ulster teams, twice by Tyrone. In the last 15 years Meath have been knocked out of the champion 8 times by Ulster teams. Its the same for kildare, in the last 15 years kildare have been knocked out of the championship 8 or 9 times by Ulster teams. Meath used to have a great record v Ulster teams , In 14 All Ireland semi finals at senior level v Ulster opposition we had 14 victories and no loses or draws in the past up to 2000. Now we are beaten yearly by Ulster teams. Teams like Meath and kidlare have failed miserably to deal with Ulster tactics eg Blanket defences, sweepers. Most teams down south with exception of Kerry Mayo and Dublin have also. But particulary Meath Kildare and til recently Galway have had problems dealing with the change to football style tactics since 2000. Meaths and Galway way or style of football which won between them 16 All Irelands is not fit for purpose eg kick and catch, long balls into forward line. Thats why Galway brought in an ulster coach, and are now adapting . Meath need to do the same. McEntee need to bring in an ulster coach. Teams like Mayo and Donegal have adapted to the modern of possession football better , one reason is they have always had a tradition of posssesion /short passing game. Kerry and Dublin have since 1970s have always had an hybrid of a style that mixed possesion hand passing and long kicks . They have adapted well .
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 17:27:31 2104937 Link 1 |
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I forgot to say in the 60s that Longford won the national league division1 title in 1966 beating the great Galway team, when I was talking about leinster teams record in league football outside Dublin in the last 80 years above .
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 17:55:28 2104953 Link 1 |
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Meath need to do the same. McEntee need to bring in an ulster coach Ok .....what happens if we brought in a ulster coach made him manger ? whats the point in having a middle man "Andy McEntee " ? WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 28/05/2018 18:05:28 2104956 Link 2 |
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Some how manage to turn it into anti dublin, its not dublin fault on how poor the other counties are performing, Kerry is dominating Munster, should we blame them too on how other counties are under platforming, PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 28/05/2018 18:11:23 2104959 Link 2 |
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Kevin Walsh brought in lally as coach from Tyrone Galway reached a national league division 1 final and have been one of the teams of the season so far. Jim Galvin brought in Jason Sherlock as coach or selector, Dublin won 3 in a row after. The Carlow manager brought in a Down coach, Carlow have their two best seasons in decades. Fitz Maurice brought in an outside coach for the first time ever with O Neill a kildare man who was involved with Tipp. After kerry won the All Ireland in 2014. Mayo brought in Donal Buckley as a coach from kerry in this decade they have reached 4 finals. Mayo brought in Tony McEntee as coach / selector from Armagh under Rochford and Mayo reached the last two All Ireland finals. Brian Cody brought in a laois footballer as a coach called Delaney and Kilkenny won 4 All Irelands in a row after . I could go and on. You can have a manager and you can have a coach. The last year Meath had a good year in 2012 we beat kildare and got within 3 points of Dublin we had Banty as manager and John Evans as Coach. And the Meaths players really enjoyed working with Evans. Banty had Grimley as Coach the year before. Its very common. Most sucessful teams have coachs and managers.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 19:28:04 2104996 Link 1 |
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Ahh what we gonna do? I for one won't roll over what better bloody way of getting back on the horse than beat the s### out of a fancied nordie team in navan?? Hon the royal royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/05/2018 19:36:30 2104998 Link 0 |
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I can give you 20 reasons why Meath have declined and not 1 have them have anything to do with Dublin. But in the future the GAA does need to realise there is a massive group of football strongholds having a terrible period together hitting all time lows together eg Meath Down Cork Derry Armagh Laois Offaly kildare Galway. And so many of these counties players r leaving at unprecedented levels and leaving teams across div 2 3 and 4. 19 left Derry, 18 left Cork, 16 left Meath, Offaly and Wexford each. Payers who played last year and didnt play in this years league r all the above numbers. Most counties in div 2 3 or 4 with the exception of 2 or 3 counties have had massive player dropout since last years league . But the GAA dont seem to notice or dont seem to care. I dont know which is worse. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 19:52:28 2105015 Link 1 |
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Give it a lash as JC used to say
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 28/05/2018 20:14:45 2105020 Link 1 |
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I don't understand why a ulster coach is better to coach a team than lets say Kerry or Dublin coach ! But that said Andy McEntee needs a top class coach to improve Meath...but said all that whats the difference between Graham Geraghty been Meath manger next year flanked by Tony McEntee/ Donal Buckley as his coaching ticket ? Because when you put things under the microscope its all about who has the best backroom staff ! So i see the Meath job up for tender next year to who has the best coaching ticket ? WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 28/05/2018 20:38:15 2105025 Link 2 |
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Anyone who heard the Carlow commentators losing is completely when they scored theis second goal would say an emphatic "No" to the question being posed here. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/05/2018 20:42:51 2105030 Link 1 |
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I don't understand why a ulster coach is better to coach a team than lets say Kerry or Dublin coach ! But that said Andy McEntee needs a top class coach to improve Meath...but said all that whats the difference between Graham Geraghty been Meath manger next year flanked by Tony McEntee/ Donal Buckley as his coaching ticket ? Because when you put things under the microscope its all about who has the best backroom staff ! So i see the Meath job up for tender next year to who has the best coaching ticket ?"]It doesnt matter where the coach is from he could be from anywhere . The reason I mentioned Ulster is Galway and Carlow have brought in Ulster coachs sucessfully. And the modern style of play and tactics originated in Ulster. Some of the best players teams coachs managers tactics have come from Ulster in last 25 years. We need to know how to break down Ulster teams . We have failed badly v blanket defences. There has been before between Down and Meath coachs and trainers like Joe lennon being involved in Down and Meath football. But Donie Buckley or Sugrue from kerry would be just as good. But would Buckley and McEntee leaves Mayo for Meath. T McEntee probaly has his eye on the Armagh job if McGeeney goes. We might have to look at coachs not involved currently with other teams. From anywhere it doesnt matter they are from. Mayo have kerry and Armagh coachs. Galway have a Derry coach. Donegal had Fermanagh coach under McGuiness. And Kilkenny hurlers have had a laois footballer coach for many years. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 21:13:06 2105044 Link 1 |
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Absolutely, where can I hear that?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 28/05/2018 21:19:23 2105050 Link 2 |