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From 2007-2013 We got to 2 all ireland semi Finals won a Leinster,Beat Mayo,Tyrone,Dublin,Galway,Kildare in the Championship..4 Leinster Final appearances..Nowhere near the walk aways from the panel..Were a million miles off that now..so your point that we were worse off then is completely false..Look at Carlow and Longford below both opposition in the League today but who won the games?? If McEntee is to go its not mine or any other posters call to replace him thats the county boards job..To just keep saying there is no one better just leave him is a little naive..Look at Kildare Promoted to division 1 last year after hammering us twice now cant win anything,.Promotion has done them a fat load of good..Being hammered every week !! Are you honestly saying that there is not another manager in the county that would have us doing better in the league and in todays match..Have you just accepted we cant beat Longford Andy will obviously finish out the year and then time will tell what happens.. grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 27/05/2018 23:42:06 2104450 Link 15 |
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Would not be in favour of getting rid of manager now, there may be no outstanding canidates to take over, however could anyone do any worse?
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 27/05/2018 23:43:16 2104452 Link 15 |
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Colm O Rourke owes Meath football nothing, club, county and schools. Saw writing on the wall for Meath football but County Board new better.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 27/05/2018 23:49:00 2104458 Link 15 |
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Fully agree we seem to need a good coach, but if Andy is neither involved in man management or coaching what exactly would his job be?
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 27/05/2018 23:56:03 2104459 Link 15 |
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Changing managers is not the be and end all, not that I'm defending McEntee after errors I've previously pointed out, I also forgot to mention that Ben Brennan put in a decent shift today, but we have a horrible tendency in recent years to chop and change managers thinking it will bring an instant solution only to see it all fall flat. Colm Coyle left after an encouraging 2007 and disappointing 2008 when he probably should have given it another year, Eamonn O'Brien disposed of horribly after an encouraging two years when he deserved more leading to Banty which started to unravel quickly with internal strife with his initial management team although a win over Kildare in 2012 and ultimately narrow defeat to the Dubs retained respectability. Mick O'Dowd started encouragingly in 2013 and then it all went downhill with injuries to key men not helping his cause, Andy McEntee came in with great fanfare but as yet we are no better off. Is he the man for the job now? Quite honestly I don't know but I tend to lean towards the argument that let's see what happens in the qualifiers and have a full root and branch review at years end, the management need to believe themselves that they can bring about improvement and that may be a big part of their decision come years end. There is no manager with a magic wand to solve the issues with our Senior team so patients and allowing time and space could be more beneficial than going back to square one and looking for a new manager. We simply don't have the overall quality of player right now that we used too, I certainly think we could be doing better but our mental frailty and confidence are huge issues and have been for some time. Once we went two points down today early in the second half, the biggest gap to that point, I swear I could nearly see panic set in and Longford capitalised and went 5 up, that was end game. Games that we win we tend to start well and go on the front foot, go behind and we struggle, the doubts enter the head and we can't pull it around, a far cry from years gone by but that is reality. The overall negativity and apathy towards the team can not help, I'm sure players read these pages, they hear the shouts of the crowd, they are human and will react accordingly. This morning we will learn who we face next and where, we have no right to think we would beat any team in the qualifiers, we must accept where we are at and from there do we work towards improvement. Management and players are working exceptionally hard, of that I've no doubt, but it's mentally that I feel we need the most work, there are some deep scars from recent years and today is another, those scars need special healing and personally I think our mental training and preperation is more important than any physical aspect right now. After the Tipp game in the league I thought the year was a write off, then two wins under pressure gave me new hope, today knocked me for 6 and right now I don't know what's going to happen next but I suppose I'll drive down from the hills of Donegal to find out, in fact there's no suppose I will. I hope we have big crowds for this weeks Junior and Minor games as these players need to realise supporters still care. As for the Seniors well maybe we need a bigger draw to focus minds and body. Mayo in Navan anyone??? Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/05/2018 00:43:45 2104477 Link 15 |
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Firstly in 2008 Meath players were not leaving the panel but in 2008 Wexford Cork Down Derry Armagh Kildare laois Offaly Westmeath players were not leaving panels. Ten years later In 2018 Meath players and Down Derry Wexford Cork Armagh Laois Offaly players are leaving panels , players are leaving county panels across the country in 2018, they didnt in 2008. Secondly yes we did well in late 00s..But we had much better players then we had now..After kerry and Tyrone we possibly had the best forward line in the country. In the late 00s we probaly had as good if not better forward line then the Dubs. Thats why we defeated them by 5 goals. in the lates 90s we had Graham Geraghty Stephen Bray Shane O Rourke Graham Reilly Peadar Byrne David Bray and a young Joe Sheridan Brian Farrell and Cian Ward. Compare that today's forward line of Mickey Burke Ben Brennan Byran McMahon Graham Reilly Cillian sullivan Donal lenihan Joey Wallace. Today forward line is a division 2 forward line. The forward line in late 00s was a top division 1 forward line. Very few counties had a better forward line in 00s. We had a problem in the backs and midfield. Anyway lets look at the players we had in late 00s Graham Geraghty Stephen Bray David Bray Shane O Rourke Joe Sheridan Brian Farrell Cian Ward Graham Reilly Paedar Byrne Seamus kenny Nigel Crawford Brian Meade Anthony Moyles Cormac McGuiness Chris O Connor Niall Mcloughlin Niall mckegue Darren Fay Kevin Reilly Brendan Murphy. That group of players is much stronger then our current group. Actually that team underachieved. In 2010 we could have won the All Ireland we had better forwards then kildare or down..And Cork were beatable. Dublin were shakey at the end of 00s..With the group of players we had in late 00s we should have won more leinsters in 2008 and 2009 and at least should have reached a final in 2010. Why didnt we?. because we kept changing the manager. Players like Joe Sheridan Cian Ward had 5 managers in 7 years. Changing the manager halted the development of that team the development of tactics, the whole development of everything .. a new manager, new ideas new players dropped players brought in. Even players from that era have said changing the namager every year in late 00s effected the team. In the last 12 years we have had 7 managers , 8 if McEntee goes. In the last 12 years Dublin have had 3 managers. Boylan wanted a 3 year contract in 2006..he knew there was talent there. But no the supporters wanted him gone. If Sean boylan stayed in 2006 2007 2008 I believe he would have won leinster and went on to win his fifth All Ireland in 2010. We will never know. But one thing for certain having 5 managers in 7 years did not help that 2007 to 2010 team it halted its development and titles were lost. And by the end of our fifth manager in 7 years in 2012 2013 where were we in Division 3 heading to div 4. Finally please name this top class manager in or outside county that wil deliver us sucess. This is the 8th time I have asked this. Still no names. 1 name a credible name with the CV to show how good he is . You keep saying there's a manager in the county that would get us to do better in the league. Well under 7 managers in 12 years we have spent 1 year in division 1 in 12 years. It really helped us to obtain div 1 status changing the manager. And only Barry could get us into div 1. So there are managers in the county that are better then our last 7 managers who failed to get us into div 1. Can you name these managers who won leinster club titles ( Barry) managed a county team.to beat all Ireland champions ( Coyle) was an All Ireland winning Selector and reached all Ireland semi final won leinster and beat Dublin by 5 goals ( O Brien) and a manager who brought an inter county team.from div 4 to div 1 ( Banty) and a manager who won club all ireland and reached minor All Ireland ( McEntee)..Can you name these managers with better CVs in the county then the above last few managers. Managers who couldnt get us into div 1. Yet an inexperienced manager with little experience we be the one to get us into div 1 when none of the above could . We have lost longford today we have also lost in the championship in the last 15 years to Fermanagh in 03 04 Cavan 05 Wexford 06 08 limerick 08 Armagh 14 Westmeath 15 Derry 16 and longford 18. I would say limerick Wexford Westmeath were worse losts. We have also had dreadful loses in the league in thjs decade to Monaghan Fermanagh Wexford and of course the worst performance ever in Navan v louth in 2012 which relegated us to div 3. One of our worst defeats ever which came after we had 5 managers in 7 years. Many losess keep changing the manager..What do they say the sign of madness is keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. 7 and if McEntee goes 8 managers in 12 years and 1 year of those 12 years spent in divsion 1. Says allot. Even Cooper and Cavanagh mentioned n the Sunday game tonight Meaths changing and chopping managers is efecting and halting the counties growth. Thats what two of the greatest players of the modern era..think..I dont think they are to far wrong. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/05/2018 01:48:22 2104484 Link 14 |
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Haven't read anything before this. 1 thing I will say. Was out having a couple with a meath mate who I now know is royalwarrior.....discussed everything Longford and meath. The fact we can do that is why I love the gaa!¡!!!! Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 28/05/2018 02:03:56 2104487 Link 0 |
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Sorry paddy O'Rourke? You really want him back? Or think he is a loss? Colgan is a far better keeper with a better attitude.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/05/2018 07:42:25 2104498 Link 0 |
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Everyone knew before a ball was kicked last year yes 2017 that both jones and harnan would not be around this year . It was spoken often here. How the hell is that Andy's fault. Are you really telling me that any manager should stop a player doing studies for their career? Newman was and is quite happy to be part of team. No falling out or difference of opinion, but felt he needed a year out from ic to get over the horrendous injuries he picked up by been brought back too soon by management. Again should he be forced to risk himself like Gillespie was?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/05/2018 07:48:37 2104499 Link 0 |
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It's mostly just anyone except Andy. Not one mention of who this great manager is.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/05/2018 07:50:32 2104500 Link 0 |
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He plays Meath fans like a fiddle. Quite happy to snipe away from the comfort of a TV studio or a newspaper column. Andy Mac chose to take up his post at a time when we're going through a drought, something O'Rourke would never do. I know who gets my respect.
GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 28/05/2018 08:34:24 2104506 Link 2 |
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Tyrone again. Very short summer for us this year. SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 28/05/2018 08:46:25 2104512 Link 1 |
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Dont believe, im always 100% optimistic about our games, always, but Tyrone!! Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 28/05/2018 08:50:10 2104513 Link 0 |
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Decent draw if you ask me. No point in kidding ourselves. We may as well be playing one of the top teams if we can put in our best performance and see where that leaves us, you can ask for no more.
Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 28/05/2018 08:53:49 2104520 Link 0 |
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One of the toughest draws we could have been given. GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 28/05/2018 08:57:47 2104524 Link 0 |
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The reality is we simply don't have the players to compete in Division 1 or win Leinster championships. And it'll be at least 5 or 6 years until we do. But we should more often than not be able to beat an average division 3 team. GBG (Meath) - Posts: 12 - 28/05/2018 09:16:03 2104532 Link 2 |
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Lar, 5 years over Kells, has he won the championship with them ? Meath wont be Tyrone in 2 weeks not even if they play t their very best it simply wont take out Tyrone
Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 28/05/2018 10:01:08 2104574 Link 0 |
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Why??....we'd fancy a crack at them in pearse park. There's nothing between the two sides yesterday realistically. You have them in navan???....theyre not what they were either...have a good cut at them, with the right attitude and the supporters making navan a cauldron??!!!....why not....look at carlow yesterday, look at we did to Mayo, derry x2, down monaghan and but for poor refereeing, we could've taken donegal in ballybofey last year. Ask Bernard Flynn, he was livid over the decisions against longford. Tyrone will be expecting a divided meath. Should them different. And if they do win, make sure they earn it!........
Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 28/05/2018 10:15:40 2104590 Link 0 |
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Monaghan stood up to them in Omagh and we have them in Navan. But then again we at the present are no Monaghan. So it's time to sh 1t or get off the pot.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 28/05/2018 10:59:02 2104627 Link 0 |
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That was my initial reaction but thinking about it this is probably one of the best teams we could have got. We haven't met any big teams yet and i think this game will be the making of us. Win lose or draw there's no way we can go into this game not prepared. We are going to gain alot from this game. Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 28/05/2018 11:10:40 2104636 Link 0 |