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Ok lads get this. Meath win their 3 games, Dublin win their 3 games. Both top their groups. How do they get rewarded ? They end up playing eachother in the semi final. It was the same with this team in the 2016 minor. Been shafted by the Leinster council. Anyway we still have a good chance especially in Navan
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1452 - 24/06/2018 20:23:57
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Ok lads get this. Meath win their 3 games, Dublin win their 3 games. Both top their groups. How do they get rewarded ? They end up playing eachother in the semi final. It was the same with this team in the 2016 minor. Been shafted by the Leinster council. Anyway we still have a good chance especially in Navan" that doesn't make any sense ! I thought we were playing Offaly..what changed ? Or why did it change ?
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 24/06/2018 20:40:04
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "that doesn't make any sense ! I thought we were playing Offaly..what changed ? Or why did it change ?" Offaly would make the most sense. I just presumed the group winners would be kept apart and because Kildare were in our group that they wouldn't play us again. But some genius in the Leinster council decided on an open draw. To make matters worse it is fixed for half 7 next Saturday and I can't make it as I have to catch a flight. Fair to say I amn't a happy man right now
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1452 - 24/06/2018 21:16:22
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Big game for meath football another win over the dubs would be massive psychologically, we bet them at minor level with this group hopefully we can do it again
Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 24/06/2018 21:20:26
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The biggest surprise is that it's in Navan, I would have expected that Parnell Park would have been caked into use for this one, I can't figure out how the two top teams fade off in a semi final but as I've saud before nothing surprises me with Leinster Council, both Meath and Dublin essentially penalised for having 100% records.....
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/06/2018 21:24:19
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Offaly would make the most sense. I just presumed the group winners would be kept apart and because Kildare were in our group that they wouldn't play us again. But some genius in the Leinster council decided on an open draw. To make matters worse it is fixed for half 7 next Saturday and I can't make it as I have to catch a flight. Fair to say I amn't a happy man right now" Yeah, does not make one bit of sense. It doesn't give a team any advantage in being the best team in their group. Should be a big crowd to support the team and hopefully we get the win.
Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 24/06/2018 21:27:01
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A strange one but a result for us in that its in Navan,
ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 24/06/2018 22:42:54
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Replying To Northsidegaels: "Big game for meath football another win over the dubs would be massive psychologically, we bet them at minor level with this group hopefully we can do it again" Sorry North side , but this years U20 team would have been half of the minor team from last year that ran Dublin ragged in Parnell park, and were 11 points to the good at half time , but then due to strange changes from the line they were beaten by the minimum . That team along with the previous years minor team that did not beat Dublin at minor level and they make up the majority of the team . However you do have a number of last years U17 team on there , that won Leinster in the special competition by beating Dublin ..... Meath did not win minor in 2017....
two players have been mentioned on here recently that would be an asset to the U20 panel , Cian Rogers from Ratoath , and Daithi McGown , both have been immense all year right from U17/Minor to U21 . they should have a least been given a chance to participate. That's based on travelling the county and loking a games of all level .
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 25/06/2018 09:13:07
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Replying To Meath_True: "Sorry North side , but this years U20 team would have been half of the minor team from last year that ran Dublin ragged in Parnell park, and were 11 points to the good at half time , but then due to strange changes from the line they were beaten by the minimum . That team along with the previous years minor team that did not beat Dublin at minor level and they make up the majority of the team . However you do have a number of last years U17 team on there , that won Leinster in the special competition by beating Dublin ..... Meath did not win minor in 2017....
two players have been mentioned on here recently that would be an asset to the U20 panel , Cian Rogers from Ratoath , and Daithi McGown , both have been immense all year right from U17/Minor to U21 . they should have a least been given a chance to participate. That's based on travelling the county and loking a games of all level ." The 2016 minor team beat Dublin by 10 points.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 25/06/2018 11:35:45
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: " Replying To Meath_True: "Sorry North side , but this years U20 team would have been half of the minor team from last year that ran Dublin ragged in Parnell park, and were 11 points to the good at half time , but then due to strange changes from the line they were beaten by the minimum . That team along with the previous years minor team that did not beat Dublin at minor level and they make up the majority of the team . However you do have a number of last years U17 team on there , that won Leinster in the special competition by beating Dublin ..... Meath did not win minor in 2017....
two players have been mentioned on here recently that would be an asset to the U20 panel , Cian Rogers from Ratoath , and Daithi McGown , both have been immense all year right from U17/Minor to U21 . they should have a least been given a chance to participate. That's based on travelling the county and loking a games of all level ." The 2016 minor team beat Dublin by 10 points."
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 25/06/2018 12:04:12
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Replying To Ratoath Royal: " Replying To Meath_True: "Sorry North side , but this years U20 team would have been half of the minor team from last year that ran Dublin ragged in Parnell park, and were 11 points to the good at half time , but then due to strange changes from the line they were beaten by the minimum . That team along with the previous years minor team that did not beat Dublin at minor level and they make up the majority of the team . However you do have a number of last years U17 team on there , that won Leinster in the special competition by beating Dublin ..... Meath did not win minor in 2017....
two players have been mentioned on here recently that would be an asset to the U20 panel , Cian Rogers from Ratoath , and Daithi McGown , both have been immense all year right from U17/Minor to U21 . they should have a least been given a chance to participate. That's based on travelling the county and loking a games of all level ." The 2016 minor team beat Dublin by 10 points."
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 25/06/2018 12:14:50
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Ok lads get this. Meath win their 3 games, Dublin win their 3 games. Both top their groups. How do they get rewarded ? They end up playing eachother in the semi final. It was the same with this team in the 2016 minor. Been shafted by the Leinster council. Anyway we still have a good chance especially in Navan" I checked the Leinster council website last week it had Meath in one semi-final and Dublin in the other. Seems strange alright that this was changed.
Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1205 - 25/06/2018 16:04:41
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the gaa gone mad the Kildare thing and now this you win your group reward is to play the other group winners.!! means Meath will have to beat Dublin and then Kildare a again to win Leinster
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 26/06/2018 06:33:26
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No decisions made by the 'make it up as you go association' should surprise anyone anymore! The whole association is rotten from the top down and is being run by people who are so far out of touch with players, coaches and supporters it is not right! I don't even know what to say anymore about them they are just stumbling from mess to mess every year. As for our own county's CCC statement last night regarding player welfare, that just confirms (not that it needed to be) how ignorant and out of tough they truly are! 'Player welfare is the responsibility of clubs and not Meath CCC' What a wonderful attitude from the people in charge of our games in this county. They would not even know how to explain player welfare to anyone never mind implement it. There are so many intelligent people in every county that have a serious interest in GAA and have brilliant ideas to fix it, but they get shut down at the first hurdle every time and become disheartened. Its time to fix this broken organization now!
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 932 - 26/06/2018 11:59:08
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The big surprise here is that Meath got the home fixture, I am surprised its not a neutral venue or Paranell Park. I recall an U-21 Leinster Final against Dublin a couple of years ago being played in Portlaoise because the lights in Navan were out of use and even though Meath offered several alternatives the powers that be decided Portlaoise should be the venue.
Its a huge game for Meath and hopefully a big home crowd will play its part. Dublin I believe have 5 or 6 players who were squad member of last years successful U-21 side so I expect this one to go right down to the wire. Hopefully Sean Reilly will have recovered from injury as he one of our stand out players and offers serious attacking threat from the half back line or midfield.
Thunderstruck (Meath) - Posts: 467 - 26/06/2018 13:27:34
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Replying To Thunderstruck: "The big surprise here is that Meath got the home fixture, I am surprised its not a neutral venue or Paranell Park. I recall an U-21 Leinster Final against Dublin a couple of years ago being played in Portlaoise because the lights in Navan were out of use and even though Meath offered several alternatives the powers that be decided Portlaoise should be the venue.
Its a huge game for Meath and hopefully a big home crowd will play its part. Dublin I believe have 5 or 6 players who were squad member of last years successful U-21 side so I expect this one to go right down to the wire. Hopefully Sean Reilly will have recovered from injury as he one of our stand out players and offers serious attacking threat from the half back line or midfield." Hopefully , but rumour has it that it's a shattered patella and that will take a time to heal . I was told the cast runs from the ankle to above the heel .
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 26/06/2018 16:01:27
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Replying To Thunderstruck: "The big surprise here is that Meath got the home fixture, I am surprised its not a neutral venue or Paranell Park. I recall an U-21 Leinster Final against Dublin a couple of years ago being played in Portlaoise because the lights in Navan were out of use and even though Meath offered several alternatives the powers that be decided Portlaoise should be the venue.
Its a huge game for Meath and hopefully a big home crowd will play its part. Dublin I believe have 5 or 6 players who were squad member of last years successful U-21 side so I expect this one to go right down to the wire. Hopefully Sean Reilly will have recovered from injury as he one of our stand out players and offers serious attacking threat from the half back line or midfield." Hopefully , but rumour has it that it's a shattered patella and that will take a time to heal . I was told the cast runs from the ankle to above the heel .
Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 26/06/2018 16:02:23
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Replying To Meath_True: "Hopefully , but rumour has it that it's a shattered patella and that will take a time to heal . I was told the cast runs from the ankle to above the heel ." Almost positive it is a shoulder injury
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1452 - 27/06/2018 01:18:59
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Very strange decision with semi final draws in Leinster. In a pub indoor soccer competition which had two groups , the winners of both groups wud be kept away from each other in the semi final. I heard it said a few times that whoever won each group they wud be kept apart in the semis. Even the kildare gaa twitter after the last round of matchs announced kildare wud be playing Dublin in the semis. So its bizzare but not the only time we have got a raw deal at this level . Remeber the last time Meath reached an under 21 final v the Dubs and the game was due to be played in Navan, but we know what happened.
Meath need all the breaks we can get. We r improving massively at underage , but we so badly need a couple of provincial titles. Even this year with the increase in full time coachs in the county at underage it feels we are really stepping up a level at underage level.
But this draw changes the whole dynamic of this whole leinster under 20 championship from advantage to Meath to advantage to kildare. lets leave the Dubs to one side.
With the victory over kildare and beating a very highly fancied under 20 Galway team in a challenge match recently and all our players coming from three different minor teams which beat or performed so well v Dublin recently, it meant we have looked more competitive at this age group in years. We r contenders for the title.
If the draw was the way it should be kildare would have to beat Dublin and probaly Meath twice to win the title. A much tougher draw. Now Meath have to beat Dublin and probaly kildare twice to win the title. Thats a tougher run for us altogether.
Dublin are the top dogs at this level. Kildare have pushed them recently but the fact is Dublin have won 5 All Ireland under 21 titles since 2000. They are superstrong at this level. And yes we have players from Meath minor team which hammered Dublin in 2016, players that beat Dublin in leinster minor ( under 17) final last year and the rest of the players are from last years minor team that were 10 points up at half time v the Dubs , and lost after a great comeback and victory in extra time for the Dubs. So in many ways we have nothing to fear here with all these under 20 Meath players have eitheir beaten or played really well v this Dublin team of players. Theres not many counties at any level that cud say the same thing recently .
And yes the game is in Navan and Meath at any level r tough to beat in Navan. But playing Dublin at any level and particularly at this level , they are a very tough nut to crack. And lets say we do pull of a massive victory it would be our biggest win at this level since we defeated Jim Galvins under 21 Dubs in 2011 which was full of future Dublin stars.
Thats my fear the same thing cud happen. We beat the Dubs and then lost to longford in the next round. Anytime at any level we beat the Dubs in an earlier round before a leinster final we usually lose and dont win the provicial title. We become favourites for the title and dont seem to realise that once the Dubs r beaten everyone left in the competition now feels they have a chance to win..
I will give u examples in last 20 years we defeated Dublin in earlier rounds of leinster. In 97 we defeated Dublin at senior in q final , we lost the final to Offaly after. In 2010 we defeated Dublin at senior in semi final, after we all know how badly we played v louth in the final.
In 2011 at under 21 we defeated Dublin in q final , we lost the semi final to longford after. In 2016 we defeated Dublin in minor q final , after we lost to kildare in semi final.
Im a traditionalist I like to beat Dublin in a final more then any other county..But I always feel we r better meeting Dublin in a final then earlier rounds. Lets say we did beat Dublin which would be a massive result. More then likely it could be a Kildare v Meath final. These Kildare and Meath players have played each other at minor and under 20 level in recent times and there was a point between each other in both games. There is very little between both teams basically. If kildare get over Offaly and we get over Dublin, kildare wud be a great position, as we wud be strong favourites .
So for me this totally changes the dynamic of this championship. Dublin are still the team to beat. Offaly have the best player in the competition with Johnston and have a good team also..But the two big challengers were Meath and kildare. After the kildare v Meath game and victory to Meath , Meath were in a very good position. Now because of the strange open draw decision kildare r in a very good position. And remeber kildare have players which won a minor title, something we havent.
You need to beat top teams to win titles. But we are badly in need of underage titles. So we need every break going. So for this to happen for me it makes it twice as hard now to win the leinster title. And if Brian Farrell was to manage us to this leinster title after beating kildare twice and Dublin once it would be our best leinster title win at any age level since we won 2001 leinster senior title when we defeated reigning leinster champions kildare and Dublin in the leinster final.
Things have just got a lot harder in the whole under 20 championship for us. We have impressed so far, now we really need to bring it on. If not another chance of underage title is gone it would be another blow. If we lose to Dublin it would mean we have had 3 strong underage teams in last 3 years ( minor 2016 and 2017 , under 20 2018) and not one of them wud have reached a leinster final even though some excellent victories. We at least so badly need to get to this leinster under 20 final. Even a leinster under 20 final appearance wud be a boost. As we have only incredibly played in 1 under 21 leinster final ( in the year 2014) since 2001 ( our last leinster title victory at this grade was in 2001). But Dublin are still favourites for the title and the top team in the provience . But before the open draw decision was made Meath looked like being the main challenger. Now kildare look in a much better place. At least the under 20 leinster championship is much a more competition, more competitive, more interesting then the senior counterpart.
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Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 27/06/2018 09:36:52
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