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Monaghan v Tyrone - Ulster SFC

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Conor McManus point near the end was it the greatest point of all time? I'm trying to think of one better ? Maybe I'm just hyper after seeing it just there but my god what a score the man is unbelievable and for 60 minutes he wasn't really in the game wow.

Well done Monaghan, Beggan is in the zone right now on top of his game it's grest to watch, Monaghan have a good squad now aswell they'll take beating.

Tyrone gone backwards too many good players to be beaten that easily , confidence at an all time low after last years semi final. Hard to see them coming back from this."
Fantastic point but Stevie O'Neill scored them kind of points against Dublin in a consistent basis. Same as many Dublin players.
Maybe on a top 5 list at the end of the year.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1699 - 20/05/2018 21:53:41    2102436

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Mickey Harte is like Jose Mourinho. His tactics were once novel and achieved results and titles. Nowadays however, they look old, sterile and no longer fit for purpose.

Take nothing away from Monaghan though. What a performance. McManus will get plaudits for his scores near the end but it was a real team effort. Big Wylie and Mone nailed some beauts as well.
They're big favourites for Ulster now and rightly so. Given their limited playing resources it's fantastic what they're doing. Other "traditional" counties like Meath and Cork should be taking note."
Thought it was Wenger? ;)

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1699 - 20/05/2018 21:55:15    2102437

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Unbelievable point from McManus at the end. What a player!"
Absolutely fantastic! However, the great thing as a Monaghan supporter is the great spread of scorers from all over the field. Thank goodness we don't have that total reliance on Manzy. Great to see Spillane & Whelan sit up & recognise this Monaghan panel on the Sunday game. Tough time for Mickey Harte, but I am sure he will do what's best for Tyrone ultimately.....

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 667 - 20/05/2018 22:05:49    2102438

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Thought it was Wenger? ;)"
He's stubborn as Wenger that's for sure. Be interesting to see if Ronan O'Neill is about for the qualifiers. Maybe he'll draft in Kyle Coney instead? :P

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6510 - 20/05/2018 22:44:03    2102456

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "He's stubborn as Wenger that's for sure. Be interesting to see if Ronan O'Neill is about for the qualifiers. Maybe he'll draft in Kyle Coney instead? :P"
Stubborn as a mule. ;)
Look there wasn't much between the two teams. Injuries played a part but Monaghan were very slightly better. Hard to know where Tyrone are. Fully fit we would be there or there abouts. Super 8's will be interesting...if we make it

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1699 - 20/05/2018 23:19:58    2102471

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Stubborn as a mule. ;)
Look there wasn't much between the two teams. Injuries played a part but Monaghan were very slightly better. Hard to know where Tyrone are. Fully fit we would be there or there abouts. Super 8's will be interesting...if we make it"
I've seen responses like this a few times already, talking about injuries etc. Our captain only came on for the last ten minutes and 1st choice full back this year didn't play at all. Tyrone weren't the only side who had issues coming into this game. If Harte started lads who weren't fit enough for it, then that's his mistake. Maybe Monaghan were simply better, imagine!

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 789 - 20/05/2018 23:46:41    2102479

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Replying To greysoil:  "Absolutely fantastic! However, the great thing as a Monaghan supporter is the great spread of scorers from all over the field. Thank goodness we don't have that total reliance on Manzy. Great to see Spillane & Whelan sit up & recognise this Monaghan panel on the Sunday game. Tough time for Mickey Harte, but I am sure he will do what's best for Tyrone ultimately....."
Thought the Sunday game coverage was poor myself, the highlights were very short in my opinion. I might be wrong on this, but I didn't see them show McMannus wonder point in the highlights of the game, they did show it in the analysis though, I personally didn't see it in the highlight reel of the game.

They showed about 5 mins of highlights and 15 mins of analysis of just Pat Spillane telling us what a great game it was, crazy stuff, just show more of the game.

There was some mad stuff about a dance hall in Donegal as well that I won't go into, but I'd much prefer to see action like the wonder point in the highlights, then hear about Donegals dance halls.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 20/05/2018 23:54:33    2102482

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Congrats to Monaghan on a great win that I didn't expect but were way better than the final score reflected.
Monaghan look very comfortable in their system with everyone seeming to know exactly what to do and stick with it even when Tyrone put pressure on their lead in the second half. Mc Manus is worth the entry fee alone and got one of those points against us in the league too. Literally unmarkable for 70 mins.
What impressed me also was the subs to come in. They have a stronger bench than the last two times they won Ulster. I think I they'll win Ulster and take done big scalps in the super 8.
Tyrone had some food performances but some worries would be that they got cleaned out at midfield, looked thin on forwards and looked strangely undisciplined. Still think they have the quality to make the super 8.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1541 - 21/05/2018 00:04:34    2102486

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The much better team won. Monaghan were able to keep possession from all their kickouts whilst Tyrone's kickouts went 50/50. Monaghan had 2 excellent free takers whilst Tyrone did not. Beggan and Mc Manus were superb. Monaghan deserved the win.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 691 - 21/05/2018 08:45:07    2102510

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Thought the Sunday game coverage was poor myself, the highlights were very short in my opinion. I might be wrong on this, but I didn't see them show McMannus wonder point in the highlights of the game, they did show it in the analysis though, I personally didn't see it in the highlight reel of the game.

They showed about 5 mins of highlights and 15 mins of analysis of just Pat Spillane telling us what a great game it was, crazy stuff, just show more of the game.

There was some mad stuff about a dance hall in Donegal as well that I won't go into, but I'd much prefer to see action like the wonder point in the highlights, then hear about Donegals dance halls."
It was a joke that the Manus point wasn't shown in the highlights package.
What was Spillane on about? Dance halls in Donegal? The usual tired arguments about championship structure and "weaker" counties.

The, with absolutely no sense of irony they neglect to mention anything about the Joe McDonagh/Christy Ring games over the weekend?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6510 - 21/05/2018 09:41:13    2102536

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Best match we will see all year.

McManus point unreal, but there were unreal points from both sides all the way through. Dessie Mone kicked a beauty as did McAliskey and Donnelly.

Been saying for two years now, I'd take Beggan over Cluxton any day. Monaghan squad is so strong. They'll be very happy.

Tyrone have found a gem in Frank Burns I think. But they'll be left with several questions. Hopefully they make a long run through the qualifiers, they are a lovely team to watch full of talented footballers.

Sad that this game wasn't live on television.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2388 - 21/05/2018 09:55:14    2102542

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Unbelievable point from McManus at the end. What a player!"
Even all the Trone supporters around me were applauding that score.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 87 - 21/05/2018 10:15:21    2102553

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Have to say it was a very nearly perfect performance by Monaghan,We filled out a fitter starting 15 and Tyrone struggled to compete in most sections of the pitch for sustained amounts of time, McAlinskey and Burns were my two stars for Tyrone,Brilliant to watch.I think the league this year has brought Ryan McAnespie to a new level,his link play was brilliant .A credit to MOR and Ryan Porter and team for what they have done for Monaghan Football,hopefully a long summer ahead.Amen

stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 116 - 21/05/2018 10:41:58    2102566

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Great win for us yesterday and a great game to watch too. It was worth the rain and shocking traffic in omagh getting out.

We gave a confident performance and I don't think we looked like losing after the start of the second half. Monaghan had better options on the bench and were getting more out of the players on the pitch. Cavanagh clearly was not fit. He would have made a difference and made things much closer.

It was a two point win but really that was flattering, that was no 45 and it was a sloppy goal.

Officials had an ok day but that 45 was plain as day a wide, also how Morgan didnt get a black was beyond me. The umpires up that end must have been half blind.

Time to enjoy a rare win over the neighbours but people would be foolish to write them or Micky Harte off.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 358 - 21/05/2018 10:50:34    2102572

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Tyrone could probably do with Frank Mc Guigan at Full Forward but his best years are behind him. And so it is with Mickey Harte.

He was excellent as a manager during the noughties but he just isn't a top manager anymore. Most people retire at some stage in their 60s and there is no shame in it.

If you are managing a top team you'd be happy at this stage to go up against a Mickey Harte team because you know exactly how they are going to setup, you know they'll stick rigidly to formation even if losing, you know it will be pot luck with their frees, you know you'll keep possession from your kickouts because they won't push up, you know they'll have no strategy for getting goals, and you know they'll stick stubbornly to all of it in the face of any criticism.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 691 - 21/05/2018 11:17:28    2102581

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "It was a joke that the Manus point wasn't shown in the highlights package.
What was Spillane on about? Dance halls in Donegal? The usual tired arguments about championship structure and "weaker" counties.

The, with absolutely no sense of irony they neglect to mention anything about the Joe McDonagh/Christy Ring games over the weekend?"
100%, I generally skip the analysis myself because I find it worthless, but I did hear a few minutes of Spillane's waffle and sweet jesus he didn't half give me a reason to ignore 'analysis' for the rest of the season. It was the same old tired rubbish about the need for 2nd and even 3rd tier competitions in football (I thought we already had a tiered competition = the league) and then as you rightly point out these competitions get little if any coverage.

Counties playing outside division 1 of the NFL know this by the poor level of coverage they get (which diminishes ever further as you go down the divisions) and they can see how little coverage the non Liam McCarthy counties get in hurling. So basically why the fcuk would the turkeys vote for christmas and why can't relics like Spillane get the message?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8255 - 21/05/2018 11:22:38    2102587

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The Sunday Game is a joke but then again RTE in general is a joke as well, that we are forced to pay a licence fee to subsidise this rubbish is sickening, and they have advertising revenue as well, Pat is right about one thing, it is all about money, they did not show Mc manus's great point in the highlights of the match, showed it later in 'further' highlights whatever the idea of that is,
as for Pat's ranting about Donegal I think he'd need a few sessions with a good psychiatrist to figure out what's going on in that head of his, he'd put Brolly to shame at times, I think he began his rant with 'I was talking to...' classic Brolly opener.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 755 - 21/05/2018 12:11:47    2102613

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Replying To icehonesty:  "Best match we will see all year.

McManus point unreal, but there were unreal points from both sides all the way through. Dessie Mone kicked a beauty as did McAliskey and Donnelly.

Been saying for two years now, I'd take Beggan over Cluxton any day. Monaghan squad is so strong. They'll be very happy.

Tyrone have found a gem in Frank Burns I think. But they'll be left with several questions. Hopefully they make a long run through the qualifiers, they are a lovely team to watch full of talented footballers.

Sad that this game wasn't live on television."
Ah slow down Cluxton has been unreal for nearly 20 years Beggan has been good this season , he's playing the best he's ever played but ahead of The GOAT no chance.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/05/2018 12:36:01    2102624

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Gave up on the Sunday Game a long time ago.

BBC's deferred coverage was great. No waffle/analysis at the start, no waffle/analysis at half time & only a few minutes of it at the end and even then there were no replays, arrows on screens, shaded rectangles or any of the other bull RTE seem to think we thickos need to see "enjoy" the game.

Sometimes less is more & in the case of Spillane & Brolly a lot less is a lot more.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4933 - 21/05/2018 12:46:13    2102626

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How can a sports editor see one of the greatest scores of all time and say nah we'll leave that out !!?
Do the analysts actually watch the 70mins I wonder? They make up their minds before each match, or at best on 6 minutes highlights. Then have one good game in Ulster and they pile in with praise for the sake of 'balance'. Please...

Marty Morrissey's commentary was cringe-worthy earlier in the day. The chuckle brother routine with second commentators is awful. Tomas Mulcahy sat in the studio last year complaining that Super 8s in football would push hurling to the margins. Then after 35 minutes of bad hurling yesterday he is already willing to write off the new format as ruining the intensity. What will he say after a potential crunch tie with Tipp and Cork next week? 'These are the games we want to see. blah blah..' And who got paid to come up with the Marty Squad? I die a little inside every time I hear it mentioned.

When TV3 took the right to the RBS6N I thought 'this is going to look tacky' but they did a hell of a job by brining the OTB team across. It would be great to see what could be done for GAA.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 21/05/2018 13:42:34    2102643

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