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No post on this yet surprisingly, what are people's opinions on the recent debacle between carlow gaa and the new Carlow Kilkenny soccer club under 15s team and it's banning of their players from playing other sports. Seems a little extreme to me but I don't think Carlow gaa handled it well either, they have since apologised for posting a message sent to one of the colts coaches from a parent infroming them that their son won't be able to play gaa anymore.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1096 - 04/03/2018 15:30:07    2081807

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Two wrongs don't make a right. The twitter page has been a source of embarrassment for a long time now and I'm supriswd it took this long for it.to teach boiling point. In the absence of common sense perhaps a bit of training on how to use social media might be useful

Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 425 - 04/03/2018 17:38:54    2081822

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This was handled really badly by Carlow GAA twitter.

Yes the Mickey Mouse soccer club are making fools of themselves but for the county GAA to go so public, and clearly not clearing it with the player in question, was hamfisted at best. Then having to withdraw the tweet and apologise "unreservedly" makes it cringeworthy, especially coming only hours after adding to the shambles by taking the high moral ground by saying "we make no apologies for highlighting this...". Shocking stuff.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1027 - 04/03/2018 18:02:45    2081827

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Hard to disagree with the posts already on this site on the topic... this is not the first time that the GAA and clubs and teams has had similar difficulties with soccer teams - representative teams in particular.

What is most disappointing is that the message seems to have been posted without the permission of the sender. I take it that a parent sent the message in good faith to a GAA team manager and when their message was posted 'live' that permission had not been given for 'publication' and hence the apology. It is seriously embarrassing that an apology was then issued.

Why oh why did the people or person responsible not ask for advice- or did they? considering the seriousness and sensitivity of the situation. Was the message sent in haste without thinking - that is what seems to have happened. -Young players are at stake- their future sporting 'careers' are at stake and this does not seem to have been taken into consideration. Kids watch social media and I am certain that these players and more have been watching and discussing what has happened on social media. I am certain also that many parents who also are now in tune with social media sites have been watching what has been on...

As an outsider, one could view this as a 'frustration' as a' getting them back'- and definitely not as a serious effort to fully engage on the topic...

Who decided on the post being posted in the first place - was there discussion amongst the games and coaches section and then with management - ie chairman and secretary of senior Board - before it was posted? If there was none of the above why was the apology sent as representing ALL OF THE TEAM in Cullen Park and the committees that represent that sector? One should not hide behind a committee if an individual is responsible.

If a player or mentor falls fouls of the current disciplinary systems either within the county or without- there is no doubt that that person suffers the consequences and rightly so - but will anything happen to the person or persons concerned in this situation?

For me the current debacle can be seen as 'bringing the game into disrepute' and this carries a serious sanction.

A huge number of volunteers in our county work their tonsils off to promote our games and most importantly work hand in hand with colleagues in other sports week in and week out and to have our 'paid' representatives make such an error ... I am sorry but answers are required.

We pay our memberships and we should expect and demand that our 'paid; representatives stand to account.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1380 - 04/03/2018 20:59:18    2081850

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Yeah agree with the points, what I don't get is why now, it's been known for some time now that this new soccer team would not allow it's players to play any other sports. The original issue was totally lost and which is unfortunate as I believe it's a serious issue, and potentially harming those boys in the long term. Does anyone know how many clubs are effected by this, I had heard Eire og lost 5 from their under 15s not sure if that's true

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1096 - 04/03/2018 21:14:41    2081853

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Replying To carlowman:  "Hard to disagree with the posts already on this site on the topic... this is not the first time that the GAA and clubs and teams has had similar difficulties with soccer teams - representative teams in particular.

What is most disappointing is that the message seems to have been posted without the permission of the sender. I take it that a parent sent the message in good faith to a GAA team manager and when their message was posted 'live' that permission had not been given for 'publication' and hence the apology. It is seriously embarrassing that an apology was then issued.

Why oh why did the people or person responsible not ask for advice- or did they? considering the seriousness and sensitivity of the situation. Was the message sent in haste without thinking - that is what seems to have happened. -Young players are at stake- their future sporting 'careers' are at stake and this does not seem to have been taken into consideration. Kids watch social media and I am certain that these players and more have been watching and discussing what has happened on social media. I am certain also that many parents who also are now in tune with social media sites have been watching what has been on...

As an outsider, one could view this as a 'frustration' as a' getting them back'- and definitely not as a serious effort to fully engage on the topic...

Who decided on the post being posted in the first place - was there discussion amongst the games and coaches section and then with management - ie chairman and secretary of senior Board - before it was posted? If there was none of the above why was the apology sent as representing ALL OF THE TEAM in Cullen Park and the committees that represent that sector? One should not hide behind a committee if an individual is responsible.

If a player or mentor falls fouls of the current disciplinary systems either within the county or without- there is no doubt that that person suffers the consequences and rightly so - but will anything happen to the person or persons concerned in this situation?

For me the current debacle can be seen as 'bringing the game into disrepute' and this carries a serious sanction.

A huge number of volunteers in our county work their tonsils off to promote our games and most importantly work hand in hand with colleagues in other sports week in and week out and to have our 'paid' representatives make such an error ... I am sorry but answers are required.

We pay our memberships and we should expect and demand that our 'paid; representatives stand to account."
The original tweet might unnecessarily have been sent in haste but that's not a get out of jail excuse here because it was followed up hours later with another cringeworthy tweet, after it would have been known this was gaining commentary on social and other media, to say we make no apology for raising this ... well hours later they did make an apology, unreserved, to the player and parents concerned.

Everyone is a loser in this, the player, the GAA county board, this new soccer team and the soccer manager who's clearly lost the run of himself and needs reminding these are 14 year olds and also that this is not Holland this Ireland where we have something special whereby most kids play lots of different team sports and those who excel at one probably do at them all and by the time they're 18 they themselves, not some adult on an ego trip, will decide which if any sport or sports they want to specialise in.

Of course the idiocy of the county Twitter getting involved in this publicly is that he/she immediately left themselves open to the charge of hypocrisy because while this time the soccer manager is wrong there have been plenty of times in the past when GAA managers tried on this nonsense.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1027 - 04/03/2018 22:20:12    2081863

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My 2 cents -
I think it was v poorly handled by whoever put up the tweet for 2 reasons. 1. If they hadn't received or asked for permission to do so and 2. I think there are other ways to work on this issue rather than raise it as an us v them sort of thing. Its not 1970 anymore! I think whether you agree with what's happening or not, fairplay to the manager of the soccer team to put his name to a reply and outline their reasons for selection etc. Right or wrong, it was put not in an argumentative or confrontational way unlike the initial tweet. I do think its unfair to tarnish all the good staff of the county board with a blanket apology unless all were complicate in publishing it/were happy for it to be published. Sometimes we have to stand aside ourselves and take the hit and move on.
As for the issue itself. Well, its a fair level of commitment being asked of, but it is optional. I think people forget that. If they don't want to, they don't have too and can continue as normal with their gaa and soccer clubs. I might not agree with this at their age but In the bigger scheme of things, I think we ve far more issues to resolve in our own codes before we need to worry about other sports. Why are we loosing players? Why did so many club players voice their discontent about fixtures/place ? Why are so many players/managers now finally talking about the crazy demands on intercounty players? The demise of the dual county player? I could go on! I think we need to get our own house in order in a general sense and we will continue to attract and keep our young players.

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2528 - 04/03/2018 23:02:21    2081875

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