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was at the game, officials in general were poor, harshly disallowed goal for kildare, should have been a red card for tackle in back of ryan mc hugh in first half, kildare's third goal huge number of steps taken in build up, murphy disallowed point flagged as over by umpire , overruled by ref, not enough protection for man in possession on both sides. the doyle incident seemed bizarre, initially on radio o'neill said he had lost his gumshield but this seemed to be have been edited out in the tv recording last night, you would like to take both doyle and o'neill at their word and that he had lost it and as opposed to have taken the field without it. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 26/02/2018 15:02:02 2080553 Link
Replying To panamasam: "No doubt it was harsh but the crackdown on mouthpieces is something that has been prevalent in any games I have attended over the last couple of weeks. I presume there must be some directive from the top down. There were a couple of players told to put them in at the McKenna Cup final. The same weekend I was at the Trench Cup final semi finals were there were numerous players sent to the sideline to put their mouthpieces in." But we're they booked?? No! It was a ridiculous action to take against a player. Does this mean now that Gough can't have a word with a player already on a yellow card who fouls again? He cant give any leeway to any player now because he rushed into a yellow for something stupid and has set himself a standard. If he did that in a club game in Meath he'd be lynched, no matter what his buddy O'Rourke said last night. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 26/02/2018 15:02:15 2080554 Link
Gough sent a couple of players over to the sideline before the game even started for lads to put in their gumshields, for both Donegal and Kildare. So, even at that stage, the players would have known he had his eye on it. Second yellow did seem a bit harsh, if it is true that it was knocked out after a tackle. But he was very lucky to get away with just a yellow for his first one, which was for a very reckless, deliberate hit on Ryan McHugh. HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 26/02/2018 15:06:34 2080558 Link
Replying To kildare73: "But we're they booked?? No! It was a ridiculous action to take against a player. Does this mean now that Gough can't have a word with a player already on a yellow card who fouls again? He cant give any leeway to any player now because he rushed into a yellow for something stupid and has set himself a standard. If he did that in a club game in Meath he'd be lynched, no matter what his buddy O'Rourke said last night." I said I thought it was harsh. In all cases players involved were ordered off the pitch and none returned until they had gum shield in. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 26/02/2018 15:32:09 2080570 Link
Replying To totalrecall: "was at the game, officials in general were poor, harshly disallowed goal for kildare, should have been a red card for tackle in back of ryan mc hugh in first half, kildare's third goal huge number of steps taken in build up, murphy disallowed point flagged as over by umpire , overruled by ref, not enough protection for man in possession on both sides. the doyle incident seemed bizarre, initially on radio o'neill said he had lost his gumshield but this seemed to be have been edited out in the tv recording last night, you would like to take both doyle and o'neill at their word and that he had lost it and as opposed to have taken the field without it." I think the disallowed goal was probably the right call he did look inside the square but in his defense the lines were not the clearest. Still that was player error as was a walk in goal. I agree re malicious knee into Ryan McHugh's back. It was premeditated, unnecessary and particularly nasty. I actually thought the MM shot was a wide so surprised it was given as a point so think the ref got this right. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 26/02/2018 15:36:49 2080574 Link
Replying To kildare73: "But we're they booked?? No! It was a ridiculous action to take against a player. Does this mean now that Gough can't have a word with a player already on a yellow card who fouls again? He cant give any leeway to any player now because he rushed into a yellow for something stupid and has set himself a standard. If he did that in a club game in Meath he'd be lynched, no matter what his buddy O'Rourke said last night." Doyle wasn't going to get booked either until he caught the ball when he was supposed to be sorting out a gum shield. I'd say had Gough realised Doyle was already on a yellow he would have used some common sense and not booked him again for it. It's very unlucky for Kildare but these things happen. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 26/02/2018 15:36:58 2080575 Link
Replying To KildareKelly: "He did know he was supposed to have a gumshield. He was wearing one at the start of the game & it got knocked out in a challenge. He was going to the sideline to get a replacement." Not true. That's the spin CON put on it, but that's not what happened. Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 26/02/2018 15:51:19 2080585 Link
Replying To lilywhite1: "Surely the spirit of the law could have been applied , particularly since the ref wasn't totally consistent in this regard as radio commentators mentioned that a Donegal player wasn't wearing one either and the ref took no action. Though it was mentioned that he sent a number of players to the sideline to get gum shields before the start. I understand that this rule has to be applied as a player is not covered by insurance if he fails to wear one and gets an injury. However in Owen Doyle's case was a yellow card not a bit harsh as he had his gum shield originally knocked from his mouth in a tackle?" Again, liberal with the facts. He did speak to Donegal player and Kildare player before the game. The Donegal player then put gumshield in. Doyle did not have gumshield in his mouth but in his sock. He actually put it in his sock in front of the referee. If it was lost in a tackle it was from his sock not his mouth. Ref was left with no option. Blatant disregard for the rules. CON is defending the defensible by being very liberal with the facts. Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 26/02/2018 15:58:16 2080589 Link
I think it's pedantic but its akin to someone getting done for speeding 51km/h in a 50km/h zone Harsh but not wrong keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 26/02/2018 16:10:32 2080604 Link
Letter of the law, yes correct but I think he would have acted differently if he had realised he had already given him a yellow card so think it was harsh to get sent off for that. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 26/02/2018 17:22:23 2080648 Link
Replying To Lifford Gael: "Again, liberal with the facts. He did speak to Donegal player and Kildare player before the game. The Donegal player then put gumshield in. Doyle did not have gumshield in his mouth but in his sock. He actually put it in his sock in front of the referee. If it was lost in a tackle it was from his sock not his mouth. Ref was left with no option. Blatant disregard for the rules. CON is defending the defensible by being very liberal with the facts." So the ref was happy to let him put it in his sock until he caught the ball? That makes great sense. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 26/02/2018 17:35:09 2080659 Link
Replying To PortInFaithful: "He was given a yellow first as a warning for not wearing the gum shield and then a second yellow followed. Eoin Doyle only has himself to blame. Well done to David Gough." You are incorrect, he was given the first yellow for a foul and the second yellow was for not wearing the gum shield. OntheWhiteSide (Kildare) - Posts: 452 - 26/02/2018 17:46:59 2080664 Link
Not a usual call, but seems to have been going on in club games as was referred to here on HS and last night on sunday game. We are in the era of litigation and insurance, so it is no surprise that there is influence from the bigger players on the issues of public liability. Gum shields is an issue that is a proper issue. He should have been warned though. Maybe he was. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/02/2018 17:47:51 2080665 Link
Replying To Jinxie: "If we are applying the rule exactly to the letter of the law, yes it was right However... If that is applied across the board in all matches, most games wouldn't even get to start. 90% of players have them in their sock or their compression shorts. If I was from Kildare I'd feel very aggrieved about it. I seen a picture on this site last week of Gearoid McKeirnan of Cavan going for a ball & his gumshield clearly visible through his compression shorts. Does that mean theres sufficient evidence to retrospectively ban punish him in the way other offences have been in the past? I know that's being slightly pedantic, but then again I think the initial incident was dealt with in a pedantic manor so its just to highlight that." Ban McKeirnan retospectively. For what? reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 26/02/2018 17:59:02 2080673 Link
Replying To kildare73: "But we're they booked?? No! It was a ridiculous action to take against a player. Does this mean now that Gough can't have a word with a player already on a yellow card who fouls again? He cant give any leeway to any player now because he rushed into a yellow for something stupid and has set himself a standard. If he did that in a club game in Meath he'd be lynched, no matter what his buddy O'Rourke said last night." Neither was Doyle initially. But then he decided to become involved in play and was rightly booked reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 26/02/2018 18:06:43 2080674 Link
I was behind the Kildare dug out. The ref warned Doyle to get a gum shield, a warning he ignored. The bench went looking for a replacement for him, he was then instructed to leave the pitch to get a gum shield. The keeper took the kick out which he caught as he was in open space (The Donegal player didn't follow him knowing he was leaving the field). The ref issued him with a yellow and play started again. Doyle got the gum shield from the bench which he then placed in his sock. When the ball went dead the ref realised he had booked Doyle twice and then issued him with the red. Harsh maybe but he set the precedent at the start when instructing a player from each team to get their gum shields in before he threw in the ball. The fact it happens everywhere and not enforced is true but is David Gough wrong or the other refs that don't implement it. Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 26/02/2018 18:11:34 2080678 Link
Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "I was behind the Kildare dug out. The ref warned Doyle to get a gum shield, a warning he ignored. The bench went looking for a replacement for him, he was then instructed to leave the pitch to get a gum shield. The keeper took the kick out which he caught as he was in open space (The Donegal player didn't follow him knowing he was leaving the field). The ref issued him with a yellow and play started again. Doyle got the gum shield from the bench which he then placed in his sock. When the ball went dead the ref realised he had booked Doyle twice and then issued him with the red. Harsh maybe but he set the precedent at the start when instructing a player from each team to get their gum shields in before he threw in the ball. The fact it happens everywhere and not enforced is true but is David Gough wrong or the other refs that don't implement it." Wow man. You must have bionic hearing and great mind reading powers. You could hear all that said in dugout, on pitch and at the same time read the Donegal players thoughts. Any chance of Wednesday's lotto numbers? I smell porkies! commander (Kildare) - Posts: 225 - 26/02/2018 19:57:56 2080717 Link
Replying To commander: "Wow man. You must have bionic hearing and great mind reading powers. You could hear all that said in dugout, on pitch and at the same time read the Donegal players thoughts. Any chance of Wednesday's lotto numbers? I smell porkies!" I doubt bionic hearing was needed. It is a very compact ground in Ballyshannon and was not like it was a boisterous crowd or anything so perfectly plausible. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 26/02/2018 20:58:07 2080739 Link
Replying To commander: "Wow man. You must have bionic hearing and great mind reading powers. You could hear all that said in dugout, on pitch and at the same time read the Donegal players thoughts. Any chance of Wednesday's lotto numbers? I smell porkies!" I didn't have to hear what was being said on the pitch. The ref pointed into his mouth and then pointed Doyle in the direction of the line on two occasions. What I did hear was the Kildare sub saying there was a spare gum shield in the medical bag. It really doesn't matter if you believe me or not. He was silly and it probably cost you the game. Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 26/02/2018 21:02:24 2080741 Link
Replying To kildare73: "But we're they booked?? No! It was a ridiculous action to take against a player. Does this mean now that Gough can't have a word with a player already on a yellow card who fouls again? He cant give any leeway to any player now because he rushed into a yellow for something stupid and has set himself a standard. If he did that in a club game in Meath he'd be lynched, no matter what his buddy O'Rourke said last night." The Referee would lose his teeth if he did that at a Meath game....thats why everyone should wear a gum shield ! WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 26/02/2018 22:02:40 2080763 Link