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Replying To galwayford:  "Meath are the real disgrace in Leinster football. A massive population, good tradition, and they cannot win. Take a look at Monaghan and Cavan and even Roscommon GAA. Far better teams. I blame Colm O Rourke and his bad mouthing. He works for INM so he cannot really say anything good about the game. Kildare are unlucky. They were never a GAA county- more horse racing and soccer/rugby. But they have potential. And will hopefully make the Leinster final again this year.
Hurling is in a far stronger position then football. Anyone of 3 or 4 teams could win, KK, Galway, Tipp or maybe Waterford. Football it will be the Dubs again this year."
I beg to differ there galwayford. on the contrary Kildare is very much a GAA county, albeit not a hugely successful one. Horse racing is hugely popular of course but Rugby/soccer comes a poor second/third to GAA. You rarely go far in Kildare before a discussion on GAA ensues.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2786 - 25/02/2018 22:49:32    2080275

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Replying To festinog:  "I'm not sure how that can be traced to any one county as a point of origin. That said, it never bothered me; in fact to think there's something very appropriate in transitioning directly from a song called The Soldiers Song to good throaty battle cry for your county. Give me that raw passion any day over the somber delivery other country's anthems are delivered with.

My unpopular view? I hate the expression "XXX is a real Gael". What the hell does that even mean? Do they read a chapter of Peig Sawyers every morning before leaving the house, travel to work on foot while knocking a sliothar in the air and catching it before it touches the ground, and when they get to work its something that involves currachs, pints of porter, and building stone causeways to Scotland. And of course all the while they only speak Irish, play the uilleann pipes, and avoid city life like the plague."
Quality description there I enjoyed that. I think generally people just means someone who ticks the box on some of the aims and ethos of the association.

WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 315 - 25/02/2018 22:54:02    2080277

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Replying To galwayford:  "Meath are the real disgrace in Leinster football. A massive population, good tradition, and they cannot win. Take a look at Monaghan and Cavan and even Roscommon GAA. Far better teams. I blame Colm O Rourke and his bad mouthing. He works for INM so he cannot really say anything good about the game. Kildare are unlucky. They were never a GAA county- more horse racing and soccer/rugby. But they have potential. And will hopefully make the Leinster final again this year.
Hurling is in a far stronger position then football. Anyone of 3 or 4 teams could win, KK, Galway, Tipp or maybe Waterford. Football it will be the Dubs again this year."
Kildare were never a gaa county, Well thats news to me. Kildare have more players and clubs then Meath . Kildare are a great gaa county. Have a long tradition they were one of the early aristocrats of the game in the first 50 years along with Cavan kerry Galway and Dublin were the top football teams. They are gaa mad county. When going well would bring 30000 to 35000 to Croke Park, Very strong clubs and tradition of gaelic football. Great supporters.

In terms of Meath and kildare are very similar counties. Meath have as much horse racing as kildare eg have you ever heard of Johnny Murtagh or the Carberrys or Irelands top new horse trainer a Meathman called Gordon Elliot. There as much soccer and rugby in Meath as kildare, Very little difference. The counties have very similar towns and landscapes. They are very similar geographical, economically , socially and culturally and population wise, Always have been.
A few Facts Below
1 Kildare have more registered GAA players then Meath. kildare have 16,600 registered GAA players and Meath have 15,300 registered GAA players. Kildare have more registered players then kerry who have 14,700 . limerick has a similar population to kildare and kildare have more registered players then Limerick who have 14,600 . A limerick is a very strong gaa county

2 kildare have more gaa clubs then Meath . kildare have 60 gaa clubs Meath have 53 gaa clubs. Kildare have 50 football clubs and Meath have 38 Football only clubs in Meath, 15 dual clubs and 6 Hurling clubs. Kildare are in the top 5 in the country in terms of registered players here are the top 5 below . How anyone can kildare is not a gaa county is beyond me.

Registered Players Top 5 in the country
1 Dublin 39,000
2 Cork - 33,000
3 Galway - 21,000
4 Kildare - 16,600
5 Tipperary 15,400

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 456 - 25/02/2018 23:22:05    2080283

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Replying To galwayford:  "Meath are the real disgrace in Leinster football. A massive population, good tradition, and they cannot win. Take a look at Monaghan and Cavan and even Roscommon GAA. Far better teams. I blame Colm O Rourke and his bad mouthing. He works for INM so he cannot really say anything good about the game. Kildare are unlucky. They were never a GAA county- more horse racing and soccer/rugby. But they have potential. And will hopefully make the Leinster final again this year.
Hurling is in a far stronger position then football. Anyone of 3 or 4 teams could win, KK, Galway, Tipp or maybe Waterford. Football it will be the Dubs again this year."
A Few Facts
1 Galway have a big reputation but the glory years of Galway football were from 30s to the 60s.
2 In the last 50 years Kerry Dublin Meath Cork Down Offaly and Tyrone have won more All Irelands then Galway.
3 Galway have not won a match in championship in Croke park in the last 17 years . While they had huge sucess for 4 years 98 to 01. Before that they didnt win in Croker for 14 years in championship from 1984 to 1998 when they beat Derry in 98.
4 Galway have only won 1 national league divsion 1 title in the last 50 years and that was 37 years ago in 1981. Meath have won 4 national league division 1 titles in the same period.
5 In the last 30 years Galway have played in 3 All Ireland finals while Mayo in 8 All Ireland finals. I know Galway won Sam.
5 But Mayo have beaten Kerry twice Dublin twice Tyrone Cork in the last 30 years. Yet Galway havent beaten kerry in the championship in 53 years or Dublin in near 100 years.
6 While Meath have been more consistent and more sucessful then Galway in the last 50 years . And Meath have been more sucessful in every decade then Galway since the great Galway team of the 60s. Meath 5 All Ireland wins to Galways two All Ireland wins. Should Galway not have done better then Meath with their massive population and traditon.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 456 - 25/02/2018 23:39:24    2080290

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I personally think a large majority of GAA lads from the north take criticism to heart without actually analyzing if there is any thruth to the criticism, because of real life issues over the last 40 years there has developed a siege mentality , I love the north I love the passion, I'm a huge fan of Antrim hurling , I've been critical of teams from the north that went very negative but rarely could I engage a fellow Gael on the subject but found the shutters came down , I can't and wouldn't speak for every poster but not everyone is anti the north if someone expresses an opinion it's not allways geographic based it may just be how some actually thinks"
Some of that is fair comment. Ulster Gaels CAN be a tad over sensitive at times, very clannish and wagon circling BUT as you say a lot of that IS down to the past 40 years where being a Gael in Ulster was dangerous and we had to watch our backs a lot of the time. Other Gaels outside the province just don't understand this, can't get their heads around it and I can understand that but it is what it is. Ulster GAA players, teams AND fans could be angry, aggressive, narky, in your face and antagonising but I think that was a lot to do with the place they lived in and circumstances around them. Again others outside Ulster found that hard to take at times.
However Ulster GAA people did experience an 'us and them' culture throughout the rest of the country and we often felt like outsiders in our own land. Our teams and fans often faced cat calls of 'British b*****ds' and 'Where's your Queen' etc at grounds. This also permeated to elements within the GAA and Southern media who seemed to resent Ulster success. Were Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal really any dirtier, cynical or darker than Kerry, Dublin or Meath? Yes they could play defensive football BUT they could also play football too. When you hear comments from the former Kildare player, was it Willie McCreery? ( I apologise if it wasn't) who said that 'Ulster teams killed football' it really resonates and annoys Ulster Gaels because it is patent nonsense. It wasn't that long ago that Mayo and Meath engaged in the Battle of Croker when everything and anything went.
Regarding Dublin I could return the serve to you Damo and say that many Dubs are currently over-sensitive about ANY criticism or negative comment about them; they retreat into the bunker and put their fingers in their ears while shouting 'LA LA LA'. A lot of the criticism is NOT because it is Dublin BUT it IS justified, especially regarding finance and coaching, because many Gaels outside Dublin are genuinely worried about the hierarchy and unfairness now developing within the Association. This is seen as sour grapes but it really isn't, you only have to go back a few years when the Dubs won their first All Ireland in for 16 years in 2011. The outpouring of genuine goodwill and congratulations when they beat Kerry was manifest throughout the island towards Dublin. Now we get barked and shouted out by the same Dub fans and that is unfair.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 8992 - 25/02/2018 23:43:14    2080295

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Replying To galwayford:  "Meath are the real disgrace in Leinster football. A massive population, good tradition, and they cannot win. Take a look at Monaghan and Cavan and even Roscommon GAA. Far better teams. I blame Colm O Rourke and his bad mouthing. He works for INM so he cannot really say anything good about the game. Kildare are unlucky. They were never a GAA county- more horse racing and soccer/rugby. But they have potential. And will hopefully make the Leinster final again this year.
Hurling is in a far stronger position then football. Anyone of 3 or 4 teams could win, KK, Galway, Tipp or maybe Waterford. Football it will be the Dubs again this year."
That is some mixed up load of rubbish

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1038 - 25/02/2018 23:57:24    2080298

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I am looking forward to the Championship Structure changes this coming season. I think there will be many great games and big exciting crowds in both codes.

SlipperyDodger (Cork) - Posts: 72 - 26/02/2018 00:36:56    2080303

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Replying To festinog:  "I'm not sure how that can be traced to any one county as a point of origin. That said, it never bothered me; in fact to think there's something very appropriate in transitioning directly from a song called The Soldiers Song to good throaty battle cry for your county. Give me that raw passion any day over the somber delivery other country's anthems are delivered with.

My unpopular view? I hate the expression "XXX is a real Gael". What the hell does that even mean? Do they read a chapter of Peig Sawyers every morning before leaving the house, travel to work on foot while knocking a sliothar in the air and catching it before it touches the ground, and when they get to work its something that involves currachs, pints of porter, and building stone causeways to Scotland. And of course all the while they only speak Irish, play the uilleann pipes, and avoid city life like the plague."
I remember as a child on the hill, it used to annoy me because I really respected the anthem back then. I'm seem to recall that the cheering before the end of it was most notable from the hill when Dublin were playing big matches, and it just spread from there.
I blame the big pause just before the last few notes, the fans whip themselves into a frenzy and can't wait.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6754 - 26/02/2018 02:33:08    2080310

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I hate Cork and their supporters in the GAA always have.


Great county and I love the city but their GAA fans especially the hurlers annoy me and as for that lad in the mexican hat !!!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 668 - 26/02/2018 09:45:37    2080342

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Replying To galwayford:  "Meath are the real disgrace in Leinster football. A massive population, good tradition, and they cannot win. Take a look at Monaghan and Cavan and even Roscommon GAA. Far better teams. I blame Colm O Rourke and his bad mouthing. He works for INM so he cannot really say anything good about the game. Kildare are unlucky. They were never a GAA county- more horse racing and soccer/rugby. But they have potential. And will hopefully make the Leinster final again this year.
Hurling is in a far stronger position then football. Anyone of 3 or 4 teams could win, KK, Galway, Tipp or maybe Waterford. Football it will be the Dubs again this year."
So Meath aren't good because Colm O'Rourke works for INM and should do better because of their 'massive' population? You just love spouting rubbish.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4536 - 26/02/2018 10:11:28    2080355

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I'd echo other peoples sentiments regrading Amhrán na bhFiann.

I believe that it should be limited to County, Provincial and All-Ireland Finals.

Nothing more demeaning to it than hearing a terrible version being played out over an old tannoy system in front of a very sparse crowd.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11759 - 26/02/2018 10:11:50    2080356

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My unpopular views:
1. College and Schools GAA competitions should be scrapped. There is no need for them

2. All underage hurling and football should have unlimited substitutions

3. Ciaran Kilkenny is one of the most overrated footballers ever. Spends most of his time slowing his own team down, passing backwards and pointing for no reason.

4. If this current Dublin team are the best team of all time then the current Mayo team must be the second best of all time.

5. Joe Canning should not have won hurler of the year in 2017 and Austin Gleeson should not have won it in 2016

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 26/02/2018 10:14:30    2080358

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1) What Johnny Maher did in the 2013 County Final wasn't that bad.

Bring back the olden days where sh*te talk and a yappy mouth was met with a thump. If he's looking for it, by god give him one that'll sicken him for a month.

2) In certain situations players should be allowed to impose their own rules on the game.

If your being pulled and dragged there is only one way to sort it out with a wallop. Referees should turn a blind eye to this off the ball law enforcement. Referee the game e.g. things involving the ball.

3) Blanket Defensive are the best thing to ever happen to football.

Allows so many more teams to compete. Opens up opportunities for players to get a shot who may not be gifted footballers but good athletes. Tactical element makes the game much more interesting.

TheFullBack (Galway) - Posts: 110 - 26/02/2018 10:48:35    2080372

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Replying To icehonesty:  "Joe Canning didn't deserve Hurler of the Year and had a poor year, but got it because of his profile.

The GPA are only in existence to promote professionalism. They should be scrapped.

Aidan O'Shea is the most overrated footballer in the country now that Colm Cooper has retired.

Mayo are my least favourite team and I hope they never win the All-Ireland.

Mayo people are bitter about the 1996 final, because they started a fight with Meath they weren't man enough to finish.

Eoin Kelly from Tipp was a better hurler than Henry Shefflin

Declan O'Sullivan is the best footballer Kerry have had since Maurice Fitz.

There are way too many inter-county matches.

Real GAA people play both hurling and football."
jez icehonesty you've really got it against Mayo folk............ a Mayo man must have wiped your eye in the Past

mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 31 - 26/02/2018 11:12:33    2080398

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My unpopular views:
1. College and Schools GAA competitions should be scrapped. There is no need for them

2. All underage hurling and football should have unlimited substitutions

3. Ciaran Kilkenny is one of the most overrated footballers ever. Spends most of his time slowing his own team down, passing backwards and pointing for no reason.

4. If this current Dublin team are the best team of all time then the current Mayo team must be the second best of all time.

5. Joe Canning should not have won hurler of the year in 2017 and Austin Gleeson should not have won it in 2016

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 43 - 26/02/2018 10:14:30
Why is there no need for College and Schools competitions?
What benefit does unlimited subs have?

1) What Johnny Maher did in the 2013 County Final wasn't that bad.
Bring back the olden days where sh*te talk and a yappy mouth was met with a thump. If he's looking for it, by god give him one that'll sicken him for a month.
2) In certain situations players should be allowed to impose their own rules on the game.
If your being pulled and dragged there is only one way to sort it out with a wallop. Referees should turn a blind eye to this off the ball law enforcement. Referee the game e.g. things involving the ball.
3) Blanket Defensive are the best thing to ever happen to football.
Allows so many more teams to compete. Opens up opportunities for players to get a shot who may not be gifted footballers but good athletes. Tactical element makes the game much more interesting.
TheFullBack (Galway) - Posts: 101 - 26/02/2018 10:48:35
In no situations should players be allowed impose their own rules on the game.
If you allow players impose their own rules you just end up with people being given free reign to take each other out and that doesnt help anyone.
In no way should refs forget about off the ball law enforcement.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/02/2018 11:27:14    2080406

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Replying To Onfor15:  "My unpopular views:
1. College and Schools GAA competitions should be scrapped. There is no need for them

2. All underage hurling and football should have unlimited substitutions

3. Ciaran Kilkenny is one of the most overrated footballers ever. Spends most of his time slowing his own team down, passing backwards and pointing for no reason.

4. If this current Dublin team are the best team of all time then the current Mayo team must be the second best of all time.

5. Joe Canning should not have won hurler of the year in 2017 and Austin Gleeson should not have won it in 2016"
How do you square that one about Mayo and them being the second best team of all time.
They're probably the best Mayo team ever allright.
They haven't won a league though and aren't provincial champions so there is a lack of consistency that you get with the best.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 559 - 26/02/2018 11:36:21    2080411

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Replying To catch22:  "How do you square that one about Mayo and them being the second best team of all time.
They're probably the best Mayo team ever allright.
They haven't won a league though and aren't provincial champions so there is a lack of consistency that you get with the best."
It's based on: IF you view the current Dublin team as the best team of all time then surely a team who, in the last 3 years, has drawn with them twice and only lost by a point twice is surely the second best of all time.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 26/02/2018 12:03:27    2080418

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Replying To Onfor15:  "It's based on: IF you view the current Dublin team as the best team of all time then surely a team who, in the last 3 years, has drawn with them twice and only lost by a point twice is surely the second best of all time."
Fair enough. If you don't consider any of the other stuff I mentioned relevant then I doubt you can be convinced as to where that doesn't add up.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 559 - 26/02/2018 12:09:23    2080423

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Replying To catch22:  "Fair enough. If you don't consider any of the other stuff I mentioned relevant then I doubt you can be convinced as to where that doesn't add up."
No I don't consider it relevant because by that logic the Laois footballers of 1926 were better than the current Mayo side, just because they won the league and mayo haven't.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 69 - 26/02/2018 12:48:13    2080444

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Some of that is fair comment. Ulster Gaels CAN be a tad over sensitive at times, very clannish and wagon circling BUT as you say a lot of that IS down to the past 40 years where being a Gael in Ulster was dangerous and we had to watch our backs a lot of the time. Other Gaels outside the province just don't understand this, can't get their heads around it and I can understand that but it is what it is. Ulster GAA players, teams AND fans could be angry, aggressive, narky, in your face and antagonising but I think that was a lot to do with the place they lived in and circumstances around them. Again others outside Ulster found that hard to take at times.
However Ulster GAA people did experience an 'us and them' culture throughout the rest of the country and we often felt like outsiders in our own land. Our teams and fans often faced cat calls of 'British b*****ds' and 'Where's your Queen' etc at grounds. This also permeated to elements within the GAA and Southern media who seemed to resent Ulster success. Were Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal really any dirtier, cynical or darker than Kerry, Dublin or Meath? Yes they could play defensive football BUT they could also play football too. When you hear comments from the former Kildare player, was it Willie McCreery? ( I apologise if it wasn't) who said that 'Ulster teams killed football' it really resonates and annoys Ulster Gaels because it is patent nonsense. It wasn't that long ago that Mayo and Meath engaged in the Battle of Croker when everything and anything went.
Regarding Dublin I could return the serve to you Damo and say that many Dubs are currently over-sensitive about ANY criticism or negative comment about them; they retreat into the bunker and put their fingers in their ears while shouting 'LA LA LA'. A lot of the criticism is NOT because it is Dublin BUT it IS justified, especially regarding finance and coaching, because many Gaels outside Dublin are genuinely worried about the hierarchy and unfairness now developing within the Association. This is seen as sour grapes but it really isn't, you only have to go back a few years when the Dubs won their first All Ireland in for 16 years in 2011. The outpouring of genuine goodwill and congratulations when they beat Kerry was manifest throughout the island towards Dublin. Now we get barked and shouted out by the same Dub fans and that is unfair."
Fair and balanced comment

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 26/02/2018 13:47:02    2080491

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