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The GAA only care about Dublin supporters

There is no way they would be forced to a 4pm game 4 hours away from home at this time of year

If fair was fair they would play all their league games away from home seeing as they have all their Championship games at home, indeed it might even increase the sparse crowds at the Leinster Championship games

37thHeaven (Kerry) - Posts: 89 - 05/03/2018 21:51:18    2082068

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I don't know why the Dubs should be up in arms at the very notion that Jim Gavin is overrated. Great managers are usually judged solely on success and if that were the only criteria then Gavin would be one of the best of all time. True he has brought Dublin to new heights, but he had a lot of things going for him along the way. Without going down the road of population, home advantage, proximity to training etc. he inherited a team of All Ireland winners and had a ready made selection of under 21 winners to call on. There is also the possibility, as Ulsterman refered to, that this is a "mediocre football era" with Kerry being in transition, Leinster in stagnation and only Mayo, who couldn't win an All Ireland to save their lives, being able to challenge them. I think to be judged among the greats you would need to manage a team to success under difficult circumstances. The likes of John O Mahoney took a Galway team from nowhere to win two All Irelands having already won an unlikely provincial title with Leitrim. O Dwyer brought a Kerry team from nowhere to contest ten finals in twelve years and then went on to bring Kildare to their first final in over fifty years. Are there managers up and down the country who would have similar success to Gavin had they been managing the Dubs over the past few years? Would Wicklow have won a Leinster title or Fermanagh an Ulster title in the last five years had Gavin been their manager? Most intriguingly would Mayo have won an All Ireland had Gavin been in charge? The answer is we don't know and therefore we can't be certain that Gavin is a great manager or blessed to be in the right place at the right time. I don't honestly know if Gavin is overrated or not, but for the Dubs to look on such a suggestion as bordering on sacrilegious is somewhat disingenuous, as frankly neither do they.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 851 - 05/03/2018 22:10:11    2082076

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Replying To 37thHeaven:  "The GAA only care about Dublin supporters

There is no way they would be forced to a 4pm game 4 hours away from home at this time of year

If fair was fair they would play all their league games away from home seeing as they have all their Championship games at home, indeed it might even increase the sparse crowds at the Leinster Championship games"
24 posts living for 25 can't wait

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 05/03/2018 22:32:01    2082082

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I mentioned that :)"
I was agreeing with you and Wayno1 at the same time

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 05/03/2018 22:34:33    2082083

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I don't know why the Dubs should be up in arms at the very notion that Jim Gavin is overrated. Great managers are usually judged solely on success and if that were the only criteria then Gavin would be one of the best of all time. True he has brought Dublin to new heights, but he had a lot of things going for him along the way. Without going down the road of population, home advantage, proximity to training etc. he inherited a team of All Ireland winners and had a ready made selection of under 21 winners to call on. There is also the possibility, as Ulsterman refered to, that this is a "mediocre football era" with Kerry being in transition, Leinster in stagnation and only Mayo, who couldn't win an All Ireland to save their lives, being able to challenge them. I think to be judged among the greats you would need to manage a team to success under difficult circumstances. The likes of John O Mahoney took a Galway team from nowhere to win two All Irelands having already won an unlikely provincial title with Leitrim. O Dwyer brought a Kerry team from nowhere to contest ten finals in twelve years and then went on to bring Kildare to their first final in over fifty years. Are there managers up and down the country who would have similar success to Gavin had they been managing the Dubs over the past few years? Would Wicklow have won a Leinster title or Fermanagh an Ulster title in the last five years had Gavin been their manager? Most intriguingly would Mayo have won an All Ireland had Gavin been in charge? The answer is we don't know and therefore we can't be certain that Gavin is a great manager or blessed to be in the right place at the right time. I don't honestly know if Gavin is overrated or not, but for the Dubs to look on such a suggestion as bordering on sacrilegious is somewhat disingenuous, as frankly neither do they."
Dubs up in arms , two posters out right disagreed TWO and that constitutes Dubs up in arms ,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 05/03/2018 22:37:28    2082084

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "And therein lies a tale. Talk on here of Aido playing well for fifty or sixty minutes in the final and then fading away. He holds his own and then some, against arguably some of the greatest players we have seen and then as he's getting tired the Dubs bring on Connolly, McCauley, Brogan etc to drive them home. In the meantime we bring on... well not quite Connolly and Brogan. Comparing him to McCarthy is a little pointless as they are different types of player. Last year without Aido we wouldn't have gotten beyond the first qualifier,we wouldn't have beaten Kerry in the semi and we wouldn't have been within five or six points of the Dubs in the final. McCarthy has a job to do and he does it well but O Shea is expected to do several jobs at the one time and playing against the Dubs it must be like trying to keep the tide from coming in armed only with a bucket. McCarthy is a good player, and any team would be lucky to have him, but personally I wouldn't swop him for O Shea."
Agree totally. If you had to start and finish a game with the same 15 would Mayo have beaten Dublin in one of the last finals? I suspect so. And it's also a reason why Mayo deserve as many if not more All Stars than Dublin - there are more Mayo men who expended greater effort than Dublin men in the last two seasons. Dublins efforts and their magnificent brilliant and outstanding achievements have been spread over a larger number of players compared to Mayo. It's not AOS's fault that Mayo can't call in subs of equal calibrate to Colm Boyle, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran etc. That's just the way it is. It was the same with Kilkenny when at their preak for a number of years and indeed I remember Cork in the early 90s who could have fielded two inter county teams such was the sheer depth of quality they had, and unlike Dublin made poor use of it. AOS is a superb player and I'd think long and hard if I had to choose between him and the equally superb James McCarthy.

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 32 - 05/03/2018 22:52:56    2082090

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The GAA purposely tried to handicapt Dublin in their style of play and give other counties a better chance to match them by:

1) Brining in the mark

2) Brining in the 20 metre kick out rule.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1411 - 05/03/2018 23:36:46    2082097

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I don't know why the Dubs should be up in arms at the very notion that Jim Gavin is overrated. Great managers are usually judged solely on success and if that were the only criteria then Gavin would be one of the best of all time. True he has brought Dublin to new heights, but he had a lot of things going for him along the way. Without going down the road of population, home advantage, proximity to training etc. he inherited a team of All Ireland winners and had a ready made selection of under 21 winners to call on. There is also the possibility, as Ulsterman refered to, that this is a "mediocre football era" with Kerry being in transition, Leinster in stagnation and only Mayo, who couldn't win an All Ireland to save their lives, being able to challenge them. I think to be judged among the greats you would need to manage a team to success under difficult circumstances. The likes of John O Mahoney took a Galway team from nowhere to win two All Irelands having already won an unlikely provincial title with Leitrim. O Dwyer brought a Kerry team from nowhere to contest ten finals in twelve years and then went on to bring Kildare to their first final in over fifty years. Are there managers up and down the country who would have similar success to Gavin had they been managing the Dubs over the past few years? Would Wicklow have won a Leinster title or Fermanagh an Ulster title in the last five years had Gavin been their manager? Most intriguingly would Mayo have won an All Ireland had Gavin been in charge? The answer is we don't know and therefore we can't be certain that Gavin is a great manager or blessed to be in the right place at the right time. I don't honestly know if Gavin is overrated or not, but for the Dubs to look on such a suggestion as bordering on sacrilegious is somewhat disingenuous, as frankly neither do they."
O'Mahony managed a class Galway team though filled with great players so I wouldn't give him much credit for that. He did well to get us to the All Ireland final in '89 and with Leitrim. But he should never have got the Mayo job in '06 after Mickey Moran brought us to a final after less than a year in charge. A political decision in every sense signed off in defeat in Longford. He should have stayed away from county management after Galway.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4538 - 06/03/2018 00:30:34    2082104

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Replying To 37thHeaven:  "The GAA only care about Dublin supporters

There is no way they would be forced to a 4pm game 4 hours away from home at this time of year

If fair was fair they would play all their league games away from home seeing as they have all their Championship games at home, indeed it might even increase the sparse crowds at the Leinster Championship games"
I thought the change of day and time was to allow the Kerry manager to manage the school team he id involved with who are playing a final on Saturday and offer him adequate time to prepare and fulfil his duties as Kerry manager.

But on second thoughts, it's far more likely that the Gaa and Dublin have conspired here to leave home later and get home earlier then the Kerry lads.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1411 - 06/03/2018 00:42:22    2082106

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Replying To 37thHeaven:  "The GAA only care about Dublin supporters

There is no way they would be forced to a 4pm game 4 hours away from home at this time of year

If fair was fair they would play all their league games away from home seeing as they have all their Championship games at home, indeed it might even increase the sparse crowds at the Leinster Championship games"
If it was a Dublin v Mayo match rather than Dublin v Kerry I'd say the GAA would have fixed the game for earlier to accommodate the travelling support.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11766 - 06/03/2018 08:12:23    2082118

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Mayo would have an All Ireland if Jim Gavin had their under 21s and senior teams in the same time span that he's been in charge of Dublin , you also wouldn't have had a players revolt , on another note four mangers I personally couldn't detest in order Micko , Boylan , Coady and for a long time ,Harte what have they all got in common they inflicted serious defeats on Dublin, they were also excellent coaches managers and shaped the way the game was played , they influenced beyond their borders , if others don't see that with Gavin fair enough .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 06/03/2018 08:38:07    2082122

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Laois are a county I always admired for such a small population and to be split in two they always had some very tasty players in both grades especially football.

They were competitive in both grades in the 80s and 90s in Leinster and never really got any credit cause their neighbours Offaly outshone them.

They sometimes even now run big names in the hurling very close my own county Galway a couple of times in recent years being an example.

They had regressed a lot in football but were a div 1 or 2 team for the guts of 20 years which was good going!




Tipp footballers are are so unlucky to come from a county that treats football like a 3rd world game.


I like both codes equally but I hate the way hurling men run down football its like a code from counties like Tipp Killkenny Waterford Clare Limerick etc to be condescending about the football and you show weakness among the hurling fraternity if you even mention a football scoreline or that you were at a football game.

A former county hurling player an all ireland winner from Wexford once said to me and I quote when I asked him if he was going to both games (it was a double header in wexford park)

"I won't be in for the football anyway I can't be seen at that"

It made me cringe inside for him!!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 670 - 06/03/2018 09:45:32    2082133

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Mayo would have an All Ireland if Jim Gavin had their under 21s and senior teams in the same time span that he's been in charge of Dublin , you also wouldn't have had a players revolt , on another note four mangers I personally couldn't detest in order Micko , Boylan , Coady and for a long time ,Harte what have they all got in common they inflicted serious defeats on Dublin, they were also excellent coaches managers and shaped the way the game was played , they influenced beyond their borders , if others don't see that with Gavin fair enough ."
Spot on. Simple as

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18167 - 06/03/2018 10:54:57    2082143

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Spot on. Simple as"
Never that simplistic. Could we argue Dublin would not be going for 4 in a row if Gavin was not manager?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9086 - 06/03/2018 12:45:51    2082179

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Dubs up in arms , two posters out right disagreed TWO and that constitutes Dubs up in arms ,"
Yeah, but you have to admit Jimbo is the voice of the Dubs on here and most of the other lads are surfing the waves behind him. The motto seems to be "if Jimbo says it then it must be true". So much power at such a young age!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 851 - 06/03/2018 13:47:18    2082194

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Never that simplistic. Could we argue Dublin would not be going for 4 in a row if Gavin was not manager?"
Agreed it's not that simple, topic is on opinions I happen to genuinely believe what I posted and I will give you one reason,no senior player in the Dublin camp carry's any weight or importance than anyone else , Gavin doesn't discuss tactics team selection with anyone , it's not known if he even brings his captain into the fold , Alan Brogan was interviewed and he said it was the hardest thing to adjust after Gilroy who had a different approach, where AB would have been managers confidante,would Mayo benefit from Gavin having been their manager at under 21 and then senior and would they have won an all Ireland I absolutely believe it , of course it's only an opinion , similar we will never know how Dublin would have fared had someone else taken the gig after Gillroy

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4820 - 06/03/2018 13:50:06    2082195

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Mayo would have an All Ireland if Jim Gavin had their under 21s and senior teams in the same time span that he's been in charge of Dublin , you also wouldn't have had a players revolt , on another note four mangers I personally couldn't detest in order Micko , Boylan , Coady and for a long time ,Harte what have they all got in common they inflicted serious defeats on Dublin, they were also excellent coaches managers and shaped the way the game was played , they influenced beyond their borders , if others don't see that with Gavin fair enough ."
Fair enough, and I wouldn't argue with any of your points, well bar the fact that we really don't know if Mayo would have won anything with Gavin in charge and to make the point that there would not have been a player revolt had Horan still been in charge. I don't honestly know how good a manager Gavin is, though in fairness all indicators point to him being exceptional, the only niggling doubt I have is that with the surfeit of very good players at the Dubs disposal they would win All Irelands even if Charlie Redmond were in charge.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 851 - 06/03/2018 14:02:09    2082204

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Taking the Ulster Final out of Clones is a huge mistake. Clones has many issues because it is based in the town. But the fact it is based in the town means it has an atmospehere about it all day. The whole day is an event. If it is moved to Casement it will be something that you go to, attend and leave. It's like the GAA is trying to suck the life out of everything.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 182 - 06/03/2018 14:16:12    2082208

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Replying To MesAmis:  "If it was a Dublin v Mayo match rather than Dublin v Kerry I'd say the GAA would have fixed the game for earlier to accommodate the travelling support."
Why would/should the Mayo fans receive prefrenetial treatment? It's bad enough that Dublin already get favoured in every way possible (nobody in here has disputed that they would never be made play on one their few away matches at 4 on a Sunday long way from Home)

So is just Mayo ahead of us or are there others more equal than us?

37thHeaven (Kerry) - Posts: 89 - 06/03/2018 14:24:43    2082215

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Fair enough, and I wouldn't argue with any of your points, well bar the fact that we really don't know if Mayo would have won anything with Gavin in charge and to make the point that there would not have been a player revolt had Horan still been in charge. I don't honestly know how good a manager Gavin is, though in fairness all indicators point to him being exceptional, the only niggling doubt I have is that with the surfeit of very good players at the Dubs disposal they would win All Irelands even if Charlie Redmond were in charge."
Lol they wouldn't have won a thing if Charlie or Vinny Murphy were managing. 2 bluffers. It isn't that straightforward despite the talent he has at his disposal.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5835 - 06/03/2018 14:33:36    2082216

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