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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Mayo will never win an all Ireland because they build a team around a ghost that is Aidan O'Shea the most over rated player by a country mile in my opinion - in any big game the ghost disappears but the myth remains- often compared to Mike Murphy of Donegal well give me the big Donegal man every day of the week"
In fairness there is no comparison as Murphy is a far superior player and I think all would agree with that.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6754 - 01/03/2018 18:23:13    2081485

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Replying To JDF:  "Dublin are overrated and not too many of their older players will go down as all time greats apart from Cluxton & Brogan although the likes of Fenton & O'Callaghan They don't have any weaknesses though and ridiculously strong bench gets them out of any trouble they might be in."
They have great players but I think their real strength is their mental toughness and their sum is greater than their parts. Very definitely not overrated.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4537 - 01/03/2018 18:24:02    2081486

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Mayo will never win an all Ireland because they build a team around a ghost that is Aidan O'Shea the most over rated player by a country mile in my opinion - in any big game the ghost disappears but the myth remains- often compared to Mike Murphy of Donegal well give me the big Donegal man every day of the week"
Firstly O Shea is an excellent player. If I had to pick any 15 players from the last few years would he be in it ? Not for me he wouldn't but the criticism he gets at time is laughable. Had an excellent year last year and was outstanding for about 50 mins of the final, yes he ran out of steam but he gave us a platform. Some of the stuff I read including from Brolly is pure drivel. There is as much negative Bull written about him as there is when he is talked up. Just let the lad play ball. And I have never seen anyone mention him as a player similar to Murphy.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5832 - 01/03/2018 19:22:39    2081498

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Firstly O Shea is an excellent player. If I had to pick any 15 players from the last few years would he be in it ? Not for me he wouldn't but the criticism he gets at time is laughable. Had an excellent year last year and was outstanding for about 50 mins of the final, yes he ran out of steam but he gave us a platform. Some of the stuff I read including from Brolly is pure drivel. There is as much negative Bull written about him as there is when he is talked up. Just let the lad play ball. And I have never seen anyone mention him as a player similar to Murphy."
The only time I've seen the two compared is when people talk about big lads getting fouled. Both of them get no protection from the refs.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 648 - 02/03/2018 09:36:50    2081536

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "The only time I've seen the two compared is when people talk about big lads getting fouled. Both of them get no protection from the refs."
Ya Star Donaghy would be in the same bracket, as you'd have 2/3 fellas hanging off him at times. The big men are just expected to get on with it I'm afraid.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7174 - 02/03/2018 10:33:11    2081545

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Donaghy wouldn't be in the same league as Murphy or O Shea for that matter.
He's a target man for the inside forward line that would then lay it off or take the score himself.
Wouldn't be as versatile or nearly as good a player as Murphy.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1562 - 02/03/2018 11:25:58    2081556

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Replying To realdub:  "Hmmmm no weaknesses but yet over-rated. What about James McCarthy, Kilkenny, McMahon, O'Sullivan and even Kev Mc? I'm pretty sure they'll go down as greats."
McCarthy & Kilkenny possibly, some may say O'Sullivan but I wouldn't. McMahon & Kevin Mc certainly not.

They'll all have great medal collections but that doesn't mean they'll all be individually all time greats.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 02/03/2018 11:58:29    2081562

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Donaghy wouldn't be in the same league as Murphy or O Shea for that matter.
He's a target man for the inside forward line that would then lay it off or take the score himself.
Wouldn't be as versatile or nearly as good a player as Murphy."
Star would be versatile enough though as he's often played in midfield for us , infact nearly the entire 2015 league season plus you'll nearly always see him back on the line for frees as well but ya he is more of a target man as well.

I would totally agree that Star is not in the same league as Murphy as Murphy is one in a million type player and I couldn't compare him to any player past or present.

As for AO'S he's an enigma really, he can be brilliant against teams outside the top 4 but then goes missing in big games and no disrespect to mayo posters but I would take Star and Murphy ahead of him all day long.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7174 - 02/03/2018 12:20:26    2081566

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Star would be versatile enough though as he's often played in midfield for us , infact nearly the entire 2015 league season plus you'll nearly always see him back on the line for frees as well but ya he is more of a target man as well.

I would totally agree that Star is not in the same league as Murphy as Murphy is one in a million type player and I couldn't compare him to any player past or present.

As for AO'S he's an enigma really, he can be brilliant against teams outside the top 4 but then goes missing in big games and no disrespect to mayo posters but I would take Star and Murphy ahead of him all day long."
I suppose another way of putting it would be, for me anyway, Murphy would always be a starter but I personally wouldn't have either of the other two as automatic starters.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1562 - 02/03/2018 12:41:16    2081571

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Donaghy wouldn't be in the same league as Murphy or O Shea for that matter.
He's a target man for the inside forward line that would then lay it off or take the score himself.
Wouldn't be as versatile or nearly as good a player as Murphy."
Agree on Michael Murphy but not on AOS, Donaghy has had a great impact on the game to O'Shea who has a fair bit to go to catch Donaghy.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 02/03/2018 12:42:30    2081573

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1. Mayo deserve to win an All Ireland but they don't have the forwards to win it. There are forwards on Dublin's O'Byrne Cup side better than some of Mayo's attacking 6.

2. Paul Murphy is the only Kerry back who is county standard. Any of the defenders from Monaghan would walk on to the Kerry team.

3. The Super 8's are a great idea but Dublin get to play two games at home? Don't they have enough advantages without the GAA inventing more?

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 182 - 02/03/2018 12:53:27    2081576

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "1. Mayo deserve to win an All Ireland but they don't have the forwards to win it. There are forwards on Dublin's O'Byrne Cup side better than some of Mayo's attacking 6.

2. Paul Murphy is the only Kerry back who is county standard. Any of the defenders from Monaghan would walk on to the Kerry team.

3. The Super 8's are a great idea but Dublin get to play two games at home? Don't they have enough advantages without the GAA inventing more?"
You could be right footblock but malachy o'rourke would never let his defenders isolated 1 on 1 like fitzmaurice does, in fairness we don't have the same caliber of defenders as years gone by but our lack of any kind of defensive strategy kills our defenders, saying that our tackling is brutal.

We have a lot of improvement needed if we're to to do any damage in the summer.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7174 - 02/03/2018 13:32:59    2081583

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "I suppose another way of putting it would be, for me anyway, Murphy would always be a starter but I personally wouldn't have either of the other two as automatic starters."
I can't argue with that. Murphy is a beast

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7174 - 02/03/2018 13:34:51    2081584

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya Star Donaghy would be in the same bracket, as you'd have 2/3 fellas hanging off him at times. The big men are just expected to get on with it I'm afraid."
Aye true enough, and by the same token none of the 3 are angels but as a supporter it's very frustrating to see lads hanging out the back of Murphy and no protection from the ref (howaya Justy McMahon).

In terms of the players themselves/skill level, obviously I'd be biased but I think Murphy is another level. However I think some here are being a bit down on Star, it's hard to think of a single player that has had a bigger impact on finals and the like. You just have to hear the opposition roar if he loses a ball to see his importance. Fantastic player.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 648 - 02/03/2018 16:17:14    2081607

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Anyone slating AOS didn't see the all ireland final last September when he was the best midfielder on the pitch.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3004 - 02/03/2018 18:17:51    2081623

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Anyone slating AOS didn't see the all ireland final last September when he was the best midfielder on the pitch."
He was very good for 45/50 minutes in the final but then faded out unfortunately for Mayo.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7174 - 02/03/2018 19:11:19    2081627

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Anyone slating AOS didn't see the all ireland final last September when he was the best midfielder on the pitch."
I think that was more to do with James Mc switching positions to cover for Jack Mc when he went off injured in the 1st 5 mins but we will never know.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 02/03/2018 19:32:17    2081630

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Anyone slating AOS didn't see the all ireland final last September when he was the best midfielder on the pitch."
No he wasn't, James McCarthy scored two vital points for Dublin and got MOM. I'd nearly argue Parsons had a better game than AOS, what exactly did he do apart from win a few kick outs in the 1st half?

Hill16Army (Dublin) - Posts: 80 - 02/03/2018 19:53:09    2081631

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Who would non-dubs pick on their starting 15, James McCarthy or Aidan O'Shea?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6754 - 02/03/2018 21:11:03    2081638

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Replying To realdub:  "Who would non-dubs pick on their starting 15, James McCarthy or Aidan O'Shea?"
I'd like both

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1177 - 02/03/2018 21:31:04    2081641

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