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The old cliche of the GAA being the most democratic organisation in the country is about as real as Donald's quiff. Motions from three counties on the Sky TV rights were removed from the chlár for the upcoming Congress on the basis of a similar defeated motion in the last few years. Yet the GAA themselves had no problem bringing forward a motion on discipline & infractions on to the field of play, now if we had good decent investigative journalists I'm sure they would find a similar worded motion on that motion in the last few years. Watch the CPA motion on voting transparency at Congress & you will see the true picture of what goes on at Congress. If as happened at the last Congress where some counties publicly disparaged the CPA from the floor & refused their motions to be heard or even recognise the organisation or let them attend Congress, I expect the honest CPA motion on voting transparency to be blown out of the water. They don't have the influence of the GPA & the Inter County machine & its hangers on. Congress has a very high percentage of people who have high ambition for political office within the Gaa & hence tow the dictat from Croke Park. Many delegates vote contrary to the position as advised by their counties to curry favour & help their ambitions of further office. Anyone who has ever tried to bring a motion from club level to county to Congress will tell you of the frustrations. The whole thing is streamlined towards the thinking from the top table. How many decisions & changes at Congress have helped the club situation ? No doubt the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir & Uachtaran will be vastly lauded, motions that questioned the deal signed by both on the Sky TV rights aren't even allowed on the chlár ! Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games & why counties are producing Fixtures Masterplans as per rules when no one even knows what the schedules can be due to the Super 8's, not even Duffy himself knows. No I don't expect anyone to upset the appple cart, everything is rosy in the garden & TV figures & cash flow & attendances at Inter County C'ship games will be all pointed to but nobody will address the elephant in the room. Democracy North Korea style !!

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 11/02/2018 11:51:37    2075716

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Replying To moc.dna:  "The old cliche of the GAA being the most democratic organisation in the country is about as real as Donald's quiff. Motions from three counties on the Sky TV rights were removed from the chlár for the upcoming Congress on the basis of a similar defeated motion in the last few years. Yet the GAA themselves had no problem bringing forward a motion on discipline & infractions on to the field of play, now if we had good decent investigative journalists I'm sure they would find a similar worded motion on that motion in the last few years. Watch the CPA motion on voting transparency at Congress & you will see the true picture of what goes on at Congress. If as happened at the last Congress where some counties publicly disparaged the CPA from the floor & refused their motions to be heard or even recognise the organisation or let them attend Congress, I expect the honest CPA motion on voting transparency to be blown out of the water. They don't have the influence of the GPA & the Inter County machine & its hangers on. Congress has a very high percentage of people who have high ambition for political office within the Gaa & hence tow the dictat from Croke Park. Many delegates vote contrary to the position as advised by their counties to curry favour & help their ambitions of further office. Anyone who has ever tried to bring a motion from club level to county to Congress will tell you of the frustrations. The whole thing is streamlined towards the thinking from the top table. How many decisions & changes at Congress have helped the club situation ? No doubt the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir & Uachtaran will be vastly lauded, motions that questioned the deal signed by both on the Sky TV rights aren't even allowed on the chlár ! Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games & why counties are producing Fixtures Masterplans as per rules when no one even knows what the schedules can be due to the Super 8's, not even Duffy himself knows. No I don't expect anyone to upset the appple cart, everything is rosy in the garden & TV figures & cash flow & attendances at Inter County C'ship games will be all pointed to but nobody will address the elephant in the room. Democracy North Korea style !!"
Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 320 - 11/02/2018 13:02:42    2075752

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Replying To AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 11/02/2018 14:21:52    2075783

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Replying To moc.dna:  "
Replying To AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost."
It was the CPA who wanted April designated as a month for club games with no intercounry fixtures to be scheduled and that is what Croke Park have delivered. It's not Croke Parks responsibility to then fix every club football game in Armagh or hurling game in Leitrim for the month. Like the CPA themselves you seem to be confused as to who is really at fault for many of the club calendar problems.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2232 - 11/02/2018 14:49:21    2075794

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Replying To moc.dna:  "
Replying To AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost."
I didn't for one moment suggest that Croke Park can't implement rules, I said that the can't take action on the what might happen under the current rules until it does happen. Big difference. You said they can act by introducing a ruling over the 'April for clubs designation', but as things stand they haven't, and therefore they can only react to what does happen, not what might happen.
As for the CPA, I've no doubt that they are trying hard, but a lot of the problems with fixtures lie with the individual County boards, not Croke Park, so I'm not sure who the CPA should be taking the battle to.
I know in theory a club players body sounds like a great idea, but who would it really represent, senior club footballers and hurlers, or players from Junior B or C around the country. If the answer is the former would it not just end up as another elite body similar to the GPA, except it would be aimed at elite club as opposed to elite county players, which would still leave a huge percentage of GAA players with no voice.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 320 - 11/02/2018 16:34:26    2075846

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Replying To Soma:  "
Replying To moc.dna:  "[quote=AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost."
It was the CPA who wanted April designated as a month for club games with no intercounry fixtures to be scheduled and that is what Croke Park have delivered. It's not Croke Parks responsibility to then fix every club football game in Armagh or hurling game in Leitrim for the month. Like the CPA themselves you seem to be confused as to who is really at fault for many of the club calendar problems."]No confusion what so ever, I know where the problem with fixtures lie, it's the various county Boards who set them & who then never adhere to the schedules & cave into their county managers requests. So yes we all know where the problem lies so therefore there was no point in the GAA designating April for games, not league games but club C'ship games if they weren't going to put in rules for the offending county Boards to follow. The fact they didn't means Boards will take advantage. Club league games were always played in April, we were told this was about club C'ship games being played in April. Do people honestly think that County Boards are going to insist that county managers release players to their clubs for club C'ship a week or two before playing in the All Irl C'ship when there is no rules to govern it.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 11/02/2018 20:02:11    2075975

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Replying To AHP:  "
Replying To moc.dna:  "[quote=AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost."
I didn't for one moment suggest that Croke Park can't implement rules, I said that the can't take action on the what might happen under the current rules until it does happen. Big difference. You said they can act by introducing a ruling over the 'April for clubs designation', but as things stand they haven't, and therefore they can only react to what does happen, not what might happen.
As for the CPA, I've no doubt that they are trying hard, but a lot of the problems with fixtures lie with the individual County boards, not Croke Park, so I'm not sure who the CPA should be taking the battle to.
I know in theory a club players body sounds like a great idea, but who would it really represent, senior club footballers and hurlers, or players from Junior B or C around the country. If the answer is the former would it not just end up as another elite body similar to the GPA, except it would be aimed at elite club as opposed to elite county players, which would still leave a huge percentage of GAA players with no voice."]No argument with your point about county Boards as they are the serial offenders & that's my point, designating April but not putting rules in place for Boards means they will take advantage of it as they have always done. Some of them are investing over €1 Million in their Senior teams & will protect that, clubs are very low in their agenda.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 11/02/2018 20:12:56    2075982

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Replying To moc.dna:  "
Replying To Soma:  "[quote=moc.dna:  "[quote=AHP:  " Will anyone ask Padraic Duffy about why Croke Park failed to implement rules on County Boards & County mangers regarding the month of April for club games
Croke park can't really implement rules on managers or County boards based on what people think might happen. The only time they will be able to take action in this regard will be after someone breaches these rules, which won't be known until after April.
As for the CPA motions, can they even put motions forward. Are they an officially recognised body within the GAA?"
To answer your questions, of course Croke Park can implement rules, their motion for the current Congress is based on infractions on to the field of play after the Davy Fitz incident last year. Secondly, you say they can't implement rules based on what might happen, of course they can, they already designated the month as a month for club C'ship games but left it totally to the decision of individual County Boards. They could have put a ruling in that but didn't. County Boards will do as the County Manager dictates, this has been the way for years. The fact that nobody has defined answers only highlights what a badly thought out plan the whole thing was in the first place. Lastly, no the CPA are not a recognised body despite their attempts to do so & were depending previously on clubs & counties on putting their motions forward. Just to clarify I am not a member of the CPA but I think they are trying hard but in my opinion it's a battle that is already lost."
It was the CPA who wanted April designated as a month for club games with no intercounry fixtures to be scheduled and that is what Croke Park have delivered. It's not Croke Parks responsibility to then fix every club football game in Armagh or hurling game in Leitrim for the month. Like the CPA themselves you seem to be confused as to who is really at fault for many of the club calendar problems."]No confusion what so ever, I know where the problem with fixtures lie, it's the various county Boards who set them & who then never adhere to the schedules & cave into their county managers requests. So yes we all know where the problem lies so therefore there was no point in the GAA designating April for games, not league games but club C'ship games if they weren't going to put in rules for the offending county Boards to follow. The fact they didn't means Boards will take advantage. Club league games were always played in April, we were told this was about club C'ship games being played in April. Do people honestly think that County Boards are going to insist that county managers release players to their clubs for club C'ship a week or two before playing in the All Irl C'ship when there is no rules to govern it."]You are talking about a lack of democracy in the GAA but then wanting Croke Park to determine when and how each county runs their club championships rather than letting county boards decide. I know lots of club players who are very annoyed that within their county there will be 1 round of club championship games played in April this year and then the next round not fixed until August or September. Many players would be happier to just start their championship in August and play it over 7 weeks. County boards, and club delegates, have to be allowed decide how to run their own competitions and take responsibility for any mess they make of it, not be putting the responsibility on Croke Park.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2232 - 11/02/2018 22:08:48    2076039

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