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A number of things in this report that show the direction that the GAA are going. Firstly €1.2 Million in coaching grants to Dublin, Cork second with €249,000 , the rest well..... As reported in the papers this evening since its introduction in 2007 Dublin received €16 Million in funding , the next nearest county €1 Million & Paraic Duffy defended this & dismissed all criticism of it. The figures speak for themselves, have other counties no voice or lost their bottle to actually challenge this. Has it really become an Association at all levels where anyone who dares question or put their head above the parapet is demonised & dismissed. Secondly, we can see how the Super 8's have come in, it's all about the money. Financial director saying that of the top 350 games only 40 bring in the big return. That's the way it's going, big games with the top teams only & selling the TV rights. So let's have the Super 8's where the strong teams get stronger & the weaker teams fall away as is happening already. Thirdly, all this talk of money been reinvested back into clubs is not the experience of most people on the ground working in clubs where they are struggling to pay affiliation & registration fees as it is. Let them publish the exact figure of clubs, who they are & what they got in GAA funding NOT sports capital funding from the Dept. Money going to county boards & coaching officers in schools is different to clubs getting direct funding. Lastly, the purchase of a farm in north Dublin for a reported figure of €700,000. This will have to be staffed, maintained & specialist equipment & buildings for same put in place so that final figure could well be nearer a million. I presume that would buy an awful lot of sod ! What is the cost analysis breakdown. Also noteworthy that only Abbotstown, Croke Park & Pairc Ui Chaoimh mentioned as beneficiaries of this farm. Will other county boards be able to purchase ? No surprise then that the post of Ard Stiurothoir as originally advertised was looking for a business qualification as its all about the money now or was that clause put in there to suit particular candidates ? Will the financial report ever give a break down of salaries & pensions of the top tier of staff so that members have transparency on where their registration, affiliation & season ticket money is going ? Most alarming of all is that despite all the staff in place, Pairc Ui Chaoimh was allowed to over run by €16 Million & €30 million pumped in of taxpayers money & the advice to clubs on the main news this evening on this report, try & cut back on your costs. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 01/02/2018 01:02:00 2072970 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "A number of things in this report that show the direction that the GAA are going. Firstly €1.2 Million in coaching grants to Dublin, Cork second with €249,000 , the rest well..... As reported in the papers this evening since its introduction in 2007 Dublin received €16 Million in funding , the next nearest county €1 Million & Paraic Duffy defended this & dismissed all criticism of it. The figures speak for themselves, have other counties no voice or lost their bottle to actually challenge this. Has it really become an Association at all levels where anyone who dares question or put their head above the parapet is demonised & dismissed. Secondly, we can see how the Super 8's have come in, it's all about the money. Financial director saying that of the top 350 games only 40 bring in the big return. That's the way it's going, big games with the top teams only & selling the TV rights. So let's have the Super 8's where the strong teams get stronger & the weaker teams fall away as is happening already. Thirdly, all this talk of money been reinvested back into clubs is not the experience of most people on the ground working in clubs where they are struggling to pay affiliation & registration fees as it is. Let them publish the exact figure of clubs, who they are & what they got in GAA funding NOT sports capital funding from the Dept. Money going to county boards & coaching officers in schools is different to clubs getting direct funding. Lastly, the purchase of a farm in north Dublin for a reported figure of €700,000. This will have to be staffed, maintained & specialist equipment & buildings for same put in place so that final figure could well be nearer a million. I presume that would buy an awful lot of sod ! What is the cost analysis breakdown. Also noteworthy that only Abbotstown, Croke Park & Pairc Ui Chaoimh mentioned as beneficiaries of this farm. Will other county boards be able to purchase ? No surprise then that the post of Ard Stiurothoir as originally advertised was looking for a business qualification as its all about the money now or was that clause put in there to suit particular candidates ? Will the financial report ever give a break down of salaries & pensions of the top tier of staff so that members have transparency on where their registration, affiliation & season ticket money is going ? Most alarming of all is that despite all the staff in place, Pairc Ui Chaoimh was allowed to over run by €16 Million & €30 million pumped in of taxpayers money & the advice to clubs on the main news this evening on this report, try & cut back on your costs." Hard to disagree with anything you wrote. No one is calling for a split in Dublin, no one with common sense anyway. I want every county to get same per registered player. Rather than one getting 37 per player and another getting 237. Equality, either that or go professional, let us buy the players we want, there is some large businesses that would gladly financially back a county team. But let's end the pretence that no county is receiving more than others. It's nonsense. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/02/2018 10:22:27 2073007 Link
Ah lads I've been educated on a different thread. Apparently the real problems are 1. We don't understand central funding. 2. Munster got most of it. 3. If you label funding under a different category it gets smaller. 4. None of us except Dublin came up with a decent plan on how to spend funds and even if we got it we would all build white elephants with it. It goes on and on. So looks like everything is hunky dory! kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 15:11:58 2073113 Link
Replying To kildare73: "Ah lads I've been educated on a different thread. Apparently the real problems are 1. We don't understand central funding. 2. Munster got most of it. 3. If you label funding under a different category it gets smaller. 4. None of us except Dublin came up with a decent plan on how to spend funds and even if we got it we would all build white elephants with it. It goes on and on. So looks like everything is hunky dory!" You've hit the nail on the head there Kildare 73. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 01/02/2018 15:57:51 2073136 Link
Replying To kildare73: "Ah lads I've been educated on a different thread. Apparently the real problems are 1. We don't understand central funding. 2. Munster got most of it. 3. If you label funding under a different category it gets smaller. 4. None of us except Dublin came up with a decent plan on how to spend funds and even if we got it we would all build white elephants with it. It goes on and on. So looks like everything is hunky dory!" Is the OP not having a cut at the GAA and their focus on money rather than Dublin or are all topics about Dublin these days? Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 01/02/2018 16:27:30 2073141 Link
Is it the Gaa's grassy Naul? thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 01/02/2018 19:32:33 2073208 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "Is it the Gaa's grassy Naul?" Or the new Dublin 'centre-of-excellence'? neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 01/02/2018 19:37:52 2073209 Link
There's a lot of rubbish in this thread. People comparing €237 per registered player in Dublin to €37 in other counties aren't comparing like for like. Development officers in Dublin are paid directly by Dublin. Development officers working in every other county in Ireland are paid by their Provincial councils. If you're going to discuss this you can't just can't be comparing numbers that just shouldn't be compared. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4211 - 02/02/2018 06:18:03 2073286 Link
*So let's have the Super 8's where the strong teams get stronger & the weaker teams fall away as is happening already.* This is something i'm sick of hearing about the poor weaker teams. They themselves don't want to do anything to improve. All it seems they want is for the championship to be made out in some way to suit them. Fact is people want to see the likes of Kerry, Dublin etc not Carlow or Longford. That's how it's always been like it or not why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 02/02/2018 09:58:14 2073309 Link
I think many smaller counties will either drop out or have to combine with other counties in the long term. You can name 20 counties in football and more in hurling who will never ever win the Sam Maguire or Liam McCarthy. How is that sustainable? What's happening now is that these weaker counties senior teams are collapsing as they can't compete and players won't make themselves available. It's not all doom and gloom..its a natural evolving. The combination of say Laois and Offaly or Carlow Kilkenny and Wexford in football could attract strong support. PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 02/02/2018 10:14:29 2073313 Link
Replying To PeggyShippen: "I think many smaller counties will either drop out or have to combine with other counties in the long term. You can name 20 counties in football and more in hurling who will never ever win the Sam Maguire or Liam McCarthy. How is that sustainable? What's happening now is that these weaker counties senior teams are collapsing as they can't compete and players won't make themselves available. It's not all doom and gloom..its a natural evolving. The combination of say Laois and Offaly or Carlow Kilkenny and Wexford in football could attract strong support." But the weaker teams don't wnt to do anything to improve. Everything that's suggested they shoot down. why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 02/02/2018 13:21:41 2073368 Link
there are plenty of poorly thought out developments around the country which would be better as an acre of barley! perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 02/02/2018 14:29:29 2073387 Link
Replying To perfect10: "there are plenty of poorly thought out developments around the country which would be better as an acre of barley!" Have you seen the price of barley?:) kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 02/02/2018 14:56:39 2073395 Link
It'll be handy place for the GAA to grow the fresh fruit and vegetables that are to be hand delivered by the Uachtarán himself to the Dublin Senior Football panel daily. It's better than him freezin' his liathróidí off down the Fruit Market on Mary's Lane every morning at dawn like he currently is doing. They can players from the weaker counties like Meath and Kerry to do the planting and harvesting. They'll obviously need to watched carefully lest any pilfering take place. Handy job supervising for the likes of Philly Mc and Johnny Cooper to crack the whip. Win Win for everyone. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 02/02/2018 15:27:32 2073408 Link
Replying To why: "*So let's have the Super 8's where the strong teams get stronger & the weaker teams fall away as is happening already.* This is something i'm sick of hearing about the poor weaker teams. They themselves don't want to do anything to improve. All it seems they want is for the championship to be made out in some way to suit them. Fact is people want to see the likes of Kerry, Dublin etc not Carlow or Longford. That's how it's always been like it or not" It's ironic that you picked Carlow and Longford to support your point because they actually do their best to compete inspite of their playing pools. I'd agree with you that some counties could be better than they but that's life. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 02/02/2018 16:08:12 2073415 Link
Replying To PeggyShippen: "I think many smaller counties will either drop out or have to combine with other counties in the long term. You can name 20 counties in football and more in hurling who will never ever win the Sam Maguire or Liam McCarthy. How is that sustainable? What's happening now is that these weaker counties senior teams are collapsing as they can't compete and players won't make themselves available. It's not all doom and gloom..its a natural evolving. The combination of say Laois and Offaly or Carlow Kilkenny and Wexford in football could attract strong support." Agreed, it worked really well in rugby when the Kiwi and Irish club teams merged into provincial teams. The problem is it would meet huge resistance and the like. Of course the GAA were more than happy to destroy the Munster Hurling championship when it suited them. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 02/02/2018 16:10:30 2073416 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "It'll be handy place for the GAA to grow the fresh fruit and vegetables that are to be hand delivered by the Uachtarán himself to the Dublin Senior Football panel daily. It's better than him freezin' his liathróidí off down the Fruit Market on Mary's Lane every morning at dawn like he currently is doing. They can players from the weaker counties like Meath and Kerry to do the planting and harvesting. They'll obviously need to watched carefully lest any pilfering take place. Handy job supervising for the likes of Philly Mc and Johnny Cooper to crack the whip. Win Win for everyone." All joking aside, what is the purpose of the farm to the GAA? Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 02/02/2018 16:12:24 2073418 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "All joking aside, what is the purpose of the farm to the GAA?" Do you really need a Dub to explain that to you? :) As far as I can make out, it's for resodding purposes (and possibly where we send the retiring lads out to stud). Jaden (Dublin) - Posts: 139 - 02/02/2018 16:28:26 2073420 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "All joking aside, what is the purpose of the farm to the GAA?" To grow grass for the Croke Park pich carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 02/02/2018 16:42:31 2073424 Link
All joking aside, what is the purpose of the farm to the GAA? Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2094 - 02/02/2018 16:12:24 Essentially to grow or "farm" pitches for Croke Park, Páirc Uí Chaoimh etc to be re-sodded after concerts or a number of years of play. They also hope to sell pitches to other codes home and abroad. As it stands the GAA actually buys in pitches from Britain and ship them over, mad as it sounds. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 02/02/2018 17:10:49 2073431 Link