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I think Kerry GAA will benifit more then more then 9mill mate, if you add the development money and grants from the Munster council. I accept the grant if for Tralee IT, but it will be for the significant benifit of Kerry GAA holistically. Like I say I don't have a problem with it or the other money funding facilities and coaching. But I suppose with many quoting figures and talking about inequality and about being hard done by. My figures just illustrate my point. It broadens the point that I think you are genuinely making that finance creates an if around Dublin success, the figures I posted highlight the significant cumalitive funding of a historic and aspirational rival in Kerry, which is significant. Yet they remain unsuccessful relatively in this era. That draws the debate back to quality of team as opposed to investment. As the debate largely centers on equity the example I posted is significant, if I can post the above figures as an evidenced based set of figures and posters from Kerry are talking about inequality as a reason for failure, it's simply not true. Like i posted I'd Dublin have received 1.2 mill in development funding for 1.5 million people and Kerry GAA directly or indirectly over 10 million in cumulative funding for a population of under 130k how is that equitable. Forgetting about Dublin, it's unfair on say Galway, Mayo, Down, Donegal etc. I think it would be disengenious for Kerry and Dublin to talk about fairness in ISC grants we have clearly both done well out of them. As for Dublin's success and impact, the figures posted this morning show attendance figures significantly up, the hyperbole of fans turning away from the game hasn't happened in reality, Galiec games have gone from strength to strength. A question on the Leinster Championship, is it poor a Championship because of Dublin or is at poor Championship. Not every team in Leinster has to play Dublin to repack an All Ireland Semimor get to a league final. It's a poor Championship to be fair. I can't help but feel that's a poor point given, probably for the first point in history Dublin have as easy pathway as Kerry to the latter stages of the championship. Imcant help but feel people are searching for something to handicap Dublin and Leinster was historically that. We have a way to go to be as dominant in Leinster as Kerry in Munster, that's a ridiculous record yee have down there. In reality given the evidence and context, Dublin are just a better team, if you believe finance impacts we are using our significant resources far better then Kerry are using there significant resources. Some counties have a case on equity, plenty don't and I'd lump Kerry in there when it comes to equity in comparisons with others. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/02/2018 00:58:01 2072968 Link 1 |
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Sponsorship and fundraising are not two different things. They both do ultimately the same thing. Raise funds. But what people are talking about on here is the proportion of central funds Dublin received as opposed to the rest of the counties.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 01:04:09 2072971 Link 0 |
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I honestly believe that no county has been refused games developement funding on the grounds that the money isn't there. however,they may well be leaving money on the table because the GAA is no longer going to hand out money without seeing exactly how it's going to be spent, which brings us back to having a structured plan in place. As for the original coaching plan, it was put in place to get more children involved in and playig gaelic games, not, as you suggest, to improve the Dublin football team. Given the fact it was introduced in 2004, the only member of the Dublin team from last year that could possibly have benefited from it was Con O Callaghan, everyone else were already too old, but I can't imagine details like that suit the financial doping argument. AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 01/02/2018 08:44:16 2072988 Link 2 |
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I think you may have misunderstood my point, I'm not interested in a comparison of what Dublin got vs Kerry. I'm not worried about Kerry at all, and not once have I complained that we have not received enough support from HQ. We have a CoE and a good crop of youngsters coming through and the games are adequately funded in Kerry. Dublin simply have a better team with better players at the moment. History and the prestige of playing for Kerry will ensure it is always the top sport in the County and I have no doubt we will taste success again soon. It's the likes of Meath, Kildare etc that are really suffering and need meaningful intervention to secure the future of the game. The investment in Dublin was a good thing and should continue IMO, albeit with less funding. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/02/2018 10:24:10 2073008 Link 3 |
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That's how it was spun, but it was also a rescue plan for Dublin who were an embarrassment at the time quite frankly. A lot of the money was used for games development at schools level. My understanding is that coaches were also employed to work with clubs under the ISC funding and this was also partly funded by the CB and clubs themselves. I have already stated that this was a good thing and I don't really have a problem with it but please don't try to spin the line that all the money was spent on getting 8-9 year olds kicking a ball in school. I'm sure that many of the current panel benefitted, to what extent, and to what extent it influenced their development is an unknown so there is no point debating that. Your view that other counties are not getting similar supports because they can't get a plan together is very simplistic. They all have plans but they have to be based on reality. Dublin in 2005 were handed a practically bottomless pot of gold to directly develop the game and it has worked wonderfully well. That type of support is just not there for other counties. What is the point in spending a fortune developing a multi million euro development plan with no hope of ever getting money for implementation? GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/02/2018 10:39:13 2073018 Link 1 |
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Well it was more a broad comment mate, as the frequency of other posters who speak strongly on the subject tend to be from the southwest. More to illustrate cumulative funding rather then narrow single aspect of games development. I take your point and no offence meant to you or Kerry, i have absolutely no problem with the GAA investing in other counties and that includes Kerry. My original point stands though i feel games development money isnt "the money" as people frame it here, it one aspect of other cumulative funding and when you take it part many do quite well or very similar to Dublin. Look at it another way, take two of the best young teams in the country Kerry and Roscommon, its not beyond the level of possibility that in the next five years both could to an ALL Ireland final when Dublin regress. If Kerry win that by say a point, will that be the result of financial doping, due to the investment of the GAA in Cairnes, ISC in IT Tralee, Grants by the Munster Council and central council? Comparative to Roscommons allocations. Its essentially the same premise of argument many are making about Dublin. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/02/2018 10:41:44 2073019 Link 3 |
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Mayo-Galway game on May 13 is as serious as you can get, you are delusional there, 50/50 game
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 01/02/2018 10:44:19 2073024 Link 0 |
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I think you sum it up very well Username, my sentiments exactly.
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 01/02/2018 11:05:36 2073026 Link 3 |
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The money is most certainly there. Look at the money being spent on white elephant vanity projects... Scores of millions on bricks and mortar... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 11:19:03 2073035 Link 1 |
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Yes because Mayo don't get going until August, that was my point. A fully primed Mayo team would beat Galway 9 times out of 10. Mayo in the past few seasons do not seem bothers about Connacht and I don't blame them.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/02/2018 11:27:00 2073038 Link 1 |
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Yet Dublin take Leinster seriously and that's a problem? By your logic perhaps Dublin shouldn't take Leinster seriously? Maybe if we just "gave" Leinster titles away all would be fine.. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 11:35:28 2073044 Link 0 |
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Thank heavens jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 11:45:26 2073047 Link 0 |
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i wouldn't take too much notice of the self appointed ''guru'' that Moyna thinks he is. he usually comes on with some headline making pony this time of year. Dublin have got their house in order and good luck to them, other counties need to look at themselves and see how they can improve and stop obsessing over dublin. the same thing was been spouted by others when kilkenny were going for 5 in arow and won 6 out of 7 all-irelands. it woke the likes of tipp, clare , waterford and the rest up to raise their own standards and invest in underage. dublin are dominat at the moment , but these things are cyclical totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 01/02/2018 11:49:12 2073048 Link 1 |
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So there is enough money available to fund on an ongoing basis a programme in every county that is comparable to what Dublin have enjoyed the past decade? Would need to see it costed but I very much doubt that! Again I think what you are trying to say is that Dublin have gotten their act together and others should learn from it and follow. You must understand that the CP led investment agreed for Dublin in 2005 was absolutely unprecedented and will never happen again for any other county. It's not a model that can be replicated without huge guaranteed annual funding. We can talk about waste, and there has been waste no doubt about it, but a certain amount of capital funding will always be necessary to develop and maintain the game. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/02/2018 11:57:13 2073052 Link 0 |
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40,000,000 was given to Cork Think about the figure and apply it to what Dublin was granted under a set of specific goals where every cent is accounted for over a 13-14 year period. The above figure dwarfs said Dublin funding. So yes. Money is most certainly there. Imagine what 40,000,000 could have done to help games development around the country. But no. Now we have another giant vanity project that will be lucky to be full twice a year while Munster already had the Gaelic grounds which is now screwed and going to cause Limerick untold trouble. So yes there are vast amounts of funding available but sadly probably not for what's actually important.. i.e. To bolster the effort of volunteers on the ground - like in Dublin. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 12:08:45 2073056 Link 2 |
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So Dublin fans are saying their people are the only ones who came up with a bright idea and the GAA jumped at funding it? And no other county thought of a similar template before or since? That's a very thin argument. Headquarters even announced some years ago they wanted to boost the capital and they certainly did it. If every county came up with a "plan" and applied for funding similar to Dublin's, would they get it? Seriously doubt it. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 12:19:02 2073060 Link 0 |
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He most certainly did.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 12:19:29 2073061 Link 0 |
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No... no we're not
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 12:26:20 2073063 Link 0 |
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Munster has been granted close to €50,000,000 (50 Million) for further developing GAA sports in the province in the last year. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/02/2018 12:42:57 2073068 Link 1 |
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Well we keep getting told to come up with a structured plan like dublin did and it will be funded. So it very much sounds like it. But I'll take your word for it Jim.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 01/02/2018 12:43:39 2073070 Link 1 |