I would be grateful if I could make a couple of points
1 Well done to Cavan on Sunday. They were magnificent on Sunday. I was there in 97 when they won Ulster. It would be great to see Cavan back winning Ulster titles. I never underestimated Cavan I said over and over Cavan were going to be tough to beat. I always felt when I saw fixtures that Cavan away was going to one of toughest games. The same way louth in Drogheda will be a very tough gane for us. Well done again. Brillant performance .
2 It doesnt matter what Meath lads say on this forum they are criticised . A couple of months ago Meath lads were saying they were confident. They were then accused of being arrogant. A month Meath lads where less confident of our chances. They were all accused then of being defeatist and being to pessimistic. We cannot win what we say.
3 I have said consistently said I dont think Meath will get promoted this season and I believe we will probaly be out of championship in July. Next year some improvements but pretty much same. Its in 3 years time or more if McEntee is left in the job that I can see Meath making the impact Galway are and pushing to win leinster title. We are year's behind Dublin. Our players will be peaking then in 2020 2021 and there could be a mass retirements of all time great Dubs eg Cluxton Connolly. So how is it arrogant to say that in 3 to 4 years time I think we can improve. How is that arrogant?. Why does it upset people for me to say I think Meath could improve and make an impact in 3 to 4 years time?. Not now or next year.
4 Maybe by comparisons for Kildare v Meath rivalry were not the best . But Im.surprised the kildare lads find it hard to admit there dislike for Meath . Even on this forum anytime a Meath lad says anything the kildare lads followed by Cavan and a few Dubs always criticise. Kildare dislike Meath allot. It reality.
5 I believe kildare will.win a leinster title and even more in the next couple of years also. I think Glen Ryan will be the man to do it not O Neill. O Neill had put in good foundations. But coach's dont usually make good managers. Always a big fan of Ryan a proper warrior who alway like the McEntees took on the Dubs with no fear. He was captain in 98 and manager with under 21 in 08 when kildare reached 2 of the their only 3 All Irelands they have reached in 70 or more years. He has the golden touch for kildare. With best talent kildare have produced since Tompkins eg Doyle Feehily D Flynn N Flynn Kelly kildare were make an impact under Glen Ryan in the next few years. The same Meath way I believe we will under the McEntees in the next few years.
So what do people what to criticise from I said above?
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 14:31:00
I think you're vastly exaggerating the "hatred" you perceive Cavan or Kildare having for Meath. It's just rivalry like anywhere else. There's no hatred. Suggesting we only beat you cos of that and that we play above ourselves is arrogant and dismissive. Right now Cavan and Kildare are better than Meath and that's just the reality of it no matter what excuses you want to make for it.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11511 - 20/02/2018 15:15:22
royaldunne stop embarrassing yourself with your alter egos 'Furlong1949' and 'LiamH2000'. I'm led to believe royaldunne is not a Meath supporter and gets a kick out of pretending to be one. If you follow the Meath forum you will find this poster has little or no knowledge of football within the county. Incase you've been living under a rock for the last eight years on hoganstand, royaldunne's agenda is to back Meath to the hilt, put the players up on a pedestal (eg. Graham Reilly (although that has calmed since 2016) whereby setting them up for a big fall, it doesn't matter what state we're in or who we're playing, offer up lame excuses when we don't win, always be optimistic never the other, completely dismiss Kildare, Roscommon and Tyrone chances, give out about Dublin's resources, put down northern counties and hurling in general at every opportunity, talk about the glory years and how GG is God, his connections to Ballinabrackey and Bettystown, let everyone know he's living in Mullingar as it's an excuse for not seeing any Meath club games. I could go on...
Toney (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 20/02/2018 15:34:49
I wouls like this to be posted
Firstly I am not Royaldunne. I swear on my life I am not Royaldunne. I feel sorry for the guy. Hes one of the few people here who doesnt hide behind his name and he lets us know where is from what area pretty much and who he us. He is optimistic and passionate. Whats wrong with that. There is a bit of people copying each on this forun criticizing Royaldunne. Its like a schoolyard playground here. One criticizes they all criticize. It doesnt matter what he he says its criticised. Its something that us Meath lads have to put up with on this forun. If we said Meath had nice jersey's people would criticise us. The kildare lads followed by Cavan and then the Dubs. It happens all the time. They hate us , they can say what they like but they do . I have had 30 years experience of their behaviour towards Meath.
1 The person above, are you actually from Meath Toney? Theres probaly many on this forum who pretending there from somewhere else.
2 Again RoyalDunne. You can criticize what he says. But be fair to the man. Everything I write is by me . I will prove it. I think Graham Reilly should be dropped. I think he is talented but doesnt do it v the top teams. Never has. He can never be considered a great Meath player til he does. He seems to go missing when the pressure is on. Thats what I think . Do you think Royaldunne would write that. Be fair to the guy. Hes not been treated right here at all , for being passionate very honest and optimistic.
Again I swear on my life I am not Royaldunne. Anything I write is by Furlong. I come from outside Dunboyne. Born and bred there. I am a Dunboyne man with family going back 5 generations in the area. I have never being to Ballinbrackey in my life. So be fair to the guy. Just because someone is optimistic and passionate he shouldnt be a threat. Every county needs a Royaldunne. Its fellas like Dunner who never give up and take flak and always believes in the cause. It is the reason why so many times before we have been in this position as we county and had to face what seemed like an unbeatable Dubllin and somehow and from somehere we have dragged ourselves up off the ground and toppled Dublin from their perch in leinster generation after generation. Dont mind the begrudgers Royaldunne. Your are a great county man. A proper fan til the end. Keep the faith.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 17:52:10
Can this be posted please.
Again this is not written by Royal Dunne. I am Furlong from Dubboyne.
avan and kildare are ahead of Meath. They both played div 1 football. Meath havent. But from my experience 30 years some of the best football I have seen played Meath has been Cavan and kildare.
What was kildares last decent win in Croke Patk ? Meath in 2011.
What was kildares last great victory in championship? Meath q final 2010. This is Kildares most important win in the last 18 years , a win that got them to their only All Ireland semi final in that period. Meath have reached 3 in the sane time period.
What was the best game kildare played in Croke Park in the last 50 years? Meath 97. When Meath were the best team in Ireland.
What is kildares greatest victory win in the last 60 years? Kerry 97 Dublin 2000 would be up there but also up there and probaly number 1 was leinster final win v Meath in 98.
In 1966 Meath were the second best team in the country ( losing the final v Galway in September 1966 ) . and within a year Meath were All Ireland champions. Meath played rank outsiders 3rd division kildare who no one gave a hope in leinster final. Kildare threw the kitchen sink at Meath and performed brillantly. Meath just about won. And Meath in the next game went to be beat the great Down team of the 60s by 14 points in the All Ireland final. Meath found it really hard to beat a third division kildare yet a couple weeks later would beat one of the most iconic and greatest teams of all time.
Kildare played Meath in early 70s. Meath were one of the best teams in the country. The dominant force for leinster football for a decade. The reigning leinster champions and had lost All Ireland final the previous Sept to kerry. Who knocked hot favourites Meath out of the championship. But rank outsiders kildare with a brillant performance no one expected.
Kildare always usually seem to perform brillanty v Meath. But when it comes to Dublin even down the decades they are much more mute and lack belief. And dont bring the same agression and level of belief or play. The stats back that up.
Kildare have beaten Dublin twice in 45 years
Kildare have beaten Meath 8 times in 45 years ( The best record after Dublin any team in the country has v Meath. Laois Offaly have 3. And kerry Tyrone Donegal 2. And many times kildare defeated Meath where one of the best teams in the country)
Meath have beaten Dublin 10 times and 5 draws in the last 35 years.
The stats do back up what Im saying.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 18:26:12
I would be grateful if you would post this.
I am not Royaldunne I am Furlong from Dunboyne. But every county need a Royaldunne. A great county man. His optimisim and passion is mighty. Keep the faith Royaldunne. Dont mind the begrudgers.
Yes Cavan and kildare are ahead of Meath they both played div 1. But some of the results contradictory. The reason for this is Meaths consistency. As McEntee build this young new team trying to get them playing a system and building up the confidence. But people are ignoring Meaths good performance. Meath seem to play for 35 mins. That is because the team is a work in progress. But when they play more consistently over the 70 mins. They win make real progress in 2 to 3 years time.
Meath very good performances v Galway Roscommon Donegal Cork and Clare have been totally ignored. They are not Dublin. But the above counties belong to a group of new up and coming young teams who have little in between the them. Galway are ahead of the pack at the monent. But Gakway Roscommon kildare Donegal Tipp Meath are all young and upcoming teams
Meath have beaten Galway last year and drew the year before. Meath have played Galway 5 times in league and championship in the last 6 years. Meath have lost once. Kildare played Galway twice last year and lost both games. But Meath were undefeated v Galway in 2 in the last two years. Surely kildare should be beating Galway if Meath can.
Are Roscommon better then Cava . I would say most people would day If you say yes, definatly at tge start of the league. Well Meath have played Roscommon 3 times in the last year . ( 2 challenge games and a league game ). Meath were undefeated with 2 wins and draw v Rossies.
Meath went toe to toe with Donegal last year and where knocked out of the championship by div 1 team. Kildare were knocked out of the championship by div 3 team. Since the win over Meath kildare have lost 8 games in a row. Kildare lost to longford in the Byrne cup. A week later Meath defeated Longford in the Byrne cup.
Cavan drew Clare. So surely Clare should probaly beat Meath. Meath defeated Clare by 12 points in Ennis last year ( no one beats Clare by 12 points in Ennis in recent times). And Meath defeated Clare by 14 points this year. Yet Cavan could only draw with Clare a team that Meath defeated by an aggregate of 26 points in 1 year.
Meath drew with Roscommon in Roscommon and drew with Cork in Cork. Surely Cavan should be both be beaten these teams in the next few weeks if neither could beat Meath.
The results are contradictory. What it proves is Meath are not as bad as people want and need them to be be. Kildare and Cavan are ahead of Meath but not as big a gap as people think. People concentrate on Mesth loses to Cavsn and kildare abd yet ignore the vast majority of strong performances under McEntee in games V Galway Roscommon Cork Donegal Clare Louth ( a record 27 points scored ). And also great wins v Fermangh and Derry. Since Meath v kildare leinster semi final kildare have played 8 ganes and lost 8 times twice to div 3 teams. Meath have played 9 games with 6 wins 1 draw and two loses. No lose to any div 3. Meath have improved kildare have gone back. The results are there to see..
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 19:06:57
Furlong two things:
One: I would not be too pushed on the Meath jersey but that grey Meath jersey that was out about ten years ago was horrible.
Two: Toney is a Meath man alright. He is a Wolfe Tones man hence the name Toney.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11623 - 20/02/2018 19:21:45
My last post of the night I would grateful if you would post it.
This is how Meath are treated on this forum
Sunday 10.30 Royalkelly
I think the Meath jersey is nice. Green and gold is a great combination.
Sunday 10.31 kildarePaddy
Meath are so cocky and arrogant. Everyone knows white is the best colour and goes with everything.
Sunday 10.32 JohnnyfromAthy
I agree 110%, They are so arrogant and so bloody cock with their green and gold
Sunday 10.33 FinbarrfromCavan
I agree. I cannot stand green and gold and Meath. Because of Meath I wouldnt buy anything which has the colours green and gold. Actually I havent bought anything since 1993 when I bought a pair of Wellington boots for half price in a sale in hardware store in Cootehill
Sunday 10 34 SomefellafromFermanagh
I agree I agree I agree. I hate Meath. I have never been to Meath I never saw them play I couldnt name one player but I hate them I hate them.
Sunday 10.35 AntofromtheBoden
I agree. I hate smelly Meath farmers and their green and gold jersey
Sunday 10.36 BillyfromBlanch
Did Utd beat Southampton. Vinny Murphy is the best centre forward ever. Phily McMahon is the best sweeper ever, best since Beckenbauer. And I hate Meath also smelly farmers and big tractors and their horrible green and gold jerseys.
Sunday 10.37 Jimmyfromkells
I think Meaths second jersey is the best. Great colour combo.
Sunday 10.38 NiallerfromNaas
Meath are so cocky arrogant so and sos with their second jersey
And of it goes again.
Thats a Meath mans experience on this forum.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 19:26:04
Last message of the night
Why are so many people upset and annoyed by when someone just says a new upcoming team with a strong management in 3 to 4 years time can improve. A young team can improve. If I said Tipp in 3 to 4 years can improve. Tiipp have potential No-one bats an eyelod. But when I say one of the youngest teams in the country Meath can improve it upsets people noend. Its Like certain people cannot even listen to the idea that Meath might improve. And if Meath do improve in the early 2020s I dont know how some people are going be able to deal with it. They may go to Spain to summer and block any talk of GAA.
Also last point How can they judge this Meath new team. 11 of the 15 players who started v kildare in both games last year are not on the panel. McEntee brought 12 new players on to the panel that never played for Meath before in the Spring. When Meath play in the championship later in the summer there will at least 6 to 7 changes to the team that played kildare last year. There has been a masive overhaul of the team and panel. This is a new young and up coming Meath team people have see very little of them play. I have seen 7 games this year and they are improving with new players on the first 15 like Lavin Conlon Flanagan McKeever Joey Wallace and Rooney Back making an impact. When these players reach thier mid 20s in coming years there is potential to improve.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 19:45:58
Ollie you are a great gaa louth supporter. Alway fair. Always play the ball not the man. I Always enjoy reading your contributions. You keep flying the louth flag on this forum. Keep up the great work Ollie.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 19:49:07
Ok royaldunne I believe you. If you're from
Meath then do your county a favour and stop spouting sh**e.
Toney (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 20/02/2018 19:54:47
Well thank you Furlong. I do my best.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11623 - 20/02/2018 20:12:48
What way will everyone be voting in the referendum... Meaxit?
Meath to be partitioned from the rest of ireland- where thy can set up their own inter-provincial, all-meath football championship series where everyone from meath is a winner.
....Meath remain part of the current all-ireland setup?
abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 273 - 20/02/2018 20:16:38
This is my last message of the night no more. Can you please post this.
This is Meath football. The below story shows the true spirit of Meath football. If u want to know about the spirit of Meath football read below. I meet people in my county every week from young to old who will say that we will beat the Dubs soon. Yes some of have a defeatest atitude . But there is many in the county from young to old who still believe. Maybe the story below will explain why we always believe the Dubs someday. Not this year or next but some day soon
In the summer of 1964 Dublin were the reigning All Ireland champions. A team with St Vincent's player and led by Kevin Heffernan they were seen as unbeatable and were changing the face of football along with Down with new tactics and new training. They were expected to dominate leinster and football for years ( Where have we heard that before ). In the early 60s Meath were in divsion 3 and seen as a county living off former glories. But three brothers the Quinn brothers from a small tiny parish in rural Meath had difference ideas Meath were playing Dublin in the leinster final. Meath were rank outsiders and Dublin the hottest of hot favourites were seen as unbeatable. No one gave Meath a chance.
Behind the scenes the three Quinn brothers father became critically ill and had very little time to live. On the Saturday before the match he became critically ill and it was believed he would not last the night. The local priest annointed him. The brothers didnt know what to do. Would it be appropriate to play the leinster final the next day. They believed it wouldnt. But there father told them on his deathbed, he whispered to them not just to play Dublin but to go out to Croker on Sunday and beat the Dubs. So with all their family uncles and aunts with tears in their eyes they decided that they were going to play and bring back the Delaney Cup to show their sick father. As Jack Quinn said Theres a job to be done lets f#$$//kin do it". Their mothers words left no room for doubt as they left the house the next morning as she said to each one of the brothers as they left the house "Go go Meath Meath'.
They went to the match and the local priest comes into the dressing room before the match and tells the brothers, the father is still alive. The brothers were magnificent in the first half. With Jack putting in an exhibition of high fielding. Unbelievably Meath were ahead at half time. In the dressing room.at the interval the news was passed on to the Quinns that the father was still alive. Meath came out in the second and gave the single greatest performance by a Meath team in leinster final ever. With the three Quinn brothers to the fore Meath dethroned the reigning All Ireland champions by 7 points. In the papers the next day an Irish Press journalist wrote " the Dubs may as well have tried to take a high ball of the top of Nelson pillar as it take it from.Martin and Jack Quinn".
As the cup was lifted the the Quinns received news that their father was still alive. That night the 3 Quinn brother Jack Martin and Gerry brought the Delaney cup back to kilbride to show their ailing father. They say word of the famous victory seemed to revive their fathers spirit. He came around on the Monday and took it all in looking at Delaney cup with pride as their mother read him articles from the newspaper about the match and his 3 sons. As she read about the match one of his last words was " thats fantastic ". It was emotional. And he died on the Wednesday 3 days after the leinster final.
The brothers and Meath would unluckily lose to the great Galway team.in the semi final. In 66 they won leinster and defeated the great Down team by 14 points in a semi final again they lost to the great Galway team in the final. The next year they won Sam. And in 1968 toured Australia and played Auzzie Rules and were unbeaten as they toured and invented the international rules. They would beat Offaly in the greatest leinster final of them all in 1970.
The truth is not only did they dethrone in 64 but they sent Dublin to the football wilderness for ten years as Dublin failed to win the Delaney cup for ten years till Heffos Army emerged in 1974.
And thats Meath football. Just as Mick lyons once said "Id live and die to play the Dubs". Martin Quinn said that when we heard what lyons said he told a local journalist " We all feel that way".
And he is right for many Meath people we all feel that way when it comes to beating Dublin. And the McEntee brothers are another set of great Meath brothers following in the footsteps of the Quinn brothers carrying on that great Meath tradition that is passed from one generation to another from one decade to another from one set of Meath footballers to another. And that is , "its mid July the hay is saved and The Dubs are beaten". A rallying cry for Meath footballers down through the ages.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 20/02/2018 21:04:00
Great stuff Furlong1949. Meath will be back.
Triple H (Meath) - Posts: 529 - 20/02/2018 21:14:22
He has plenty of altergos but Furlong is definitely not onr of them. In fairness Furlong knows a ,lot about Meaths past teams.
Cant argue with everything else you say though.
St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1489 - 20/02/2018 21:48:35
Read the poster. At least get that right. It was furlong not me who wrote that. While I agree with him, I would neither have the patience or inclination to go to such depth.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13943 - 20/02/2018 21:48:42
Haha. No I'm just me always have been always will be. I have no other accounts, furlong is a great read even if at times a very long one. I doubt you ever have been to a Meath match unless it's to support your own county. Which is definitely not Meath. I'm a born ballinabrackey man. (Now without using google find that parish) in later years work and a young woman took me to bettystown where I grew immensely fond of and return regularly, I have a great affection to cilles club and had a great journey last year with them I hope the bracks will do same this year. Now if you haven't googled it yet, ballinabrackey is in Meath but is 5 miles from kinnegad one way in westmeath, borders Offaly closer depending on where you are, and is 7 miles from Kildare, the pitch in ballinabrackey is called boyne park but is not actually in ballinabrackey, it's in castle Jordan , incidentally so is the national school which is st kiarans , I have for a long time lived worked and indeed coached football in westmeath, I'm married to a Dublin woman.
And I am not either who you blatantly lied and said I was. Actually lad you are embarrassing yourself by saying it, I'm glad you nothing got to do with Meath
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13943 - 20/02/2018 22:02:02
...or the knowledge
St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1489 - 20/02/2018 22:08:20
Ahh you conleth today not royal king lol.
No pal you mistaken me with yourself, as been one of few who use their actual name as a username Its not that difficult to find out. Im friends with ziggy on social media, he found me quite easily.
I have one account and I'd appreciate admin verifying this as they know my IP address. But then I don't really care either as you'd have to be someone or at least someone's opinion I respect to care and you in any of your many different user names don't come remotely close to that.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13943 - 20/02/2018 22:09:07