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Replying To abitawit:  "theirs a touch of hot air with that statistic that I couldn't be bothered going into....

I just don't understand on what bases you think meath football would be competitive in division 1.

I would give you this thou..meath are the 3rd best team in Leinster

and Italy are the 6th best rugby team in europe"
well I can see why you don't want to get in to it when history has proven you wrong, which ever two teams goes up from div 2 will more then likely be competitive just like the majority of teams who were promoted before them have been, history doesn't lie, promoted this year from div 2 for me is cork then anyone from Meath Roscommon down

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 152 - 15/02/2018 09:52:04    2076990

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Replying To kildare73:  "Haha even with our position in Div 1 we are still living your dream!! While Meath have trying to get promoted Kildare have had time to go from div 1 to div 3 and back to div 1 again. All we hear is 'nearly or almost' got promoted but fact is Meath didn't because there was always at least two teams better than you. Bit ironic someone from Meath trying to mock a div 1 team but whatever floats yer boat:)"
Not mocking them at all I've already said I hope Kildare survive in Division 1 for the betterment of Leinster football and the fact that we aren't up there had been over the years largely our own fault. Also Kildare were undoubtedly a better team than us last year but I don't think overall they are 10 points a better team, we were very naive in those games at times last year and I just don't think the gap between the teams is as much as that

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3154 - 15/02/2018 15:27:53    2077132

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The National League format of four divisions with eight teams in each league is ten years old this year. Here is a look back at the teams promoted from Division Two to Division One and how they have fared in the top Division.

2008: Division Two Promoted teams: Westmeath and the Dubs.
Westmeath got relegated in 2009 and the Dubs are still in Division One.

2009: Division Two Promoted teams: Monaghan and Cork.
Monaghan got relegated in 2011 and Cork got relegated in 2016.

2010: Division Two Promoted teams: Armagh and Down.
Armagh got relegated in 2012 and Down got relegated in 2013.

2011: Division Two Promoted teams: Laois and Donegal.
Laois got relegated in 2012 and Donegal in 2013.

2012: Division Two Promoted teams: Kildare and Tyrone.
Kildare got relegated in 2014 and Tyrone in 2015.

2013: Division Two Promoted teams: Westmeath and Derry.
Westmeath relegated in 2014 and Derry in 2015.

2014: Division Two Promoted teams: Donegal and Monaghan.
Both Donegal and Monaghan are still in Division One.

2015: Division Two Promoted teams: Down and Roscommon.
Down relegated in 2016 and Roscommon in 2017.

2016: Division Two Promoted teams: Cavan and Tyrone.
Cavan relegated in 2017 and Tyrone still in Division One.

2017: Division Two Promoted teams: Kildare and Galway.
Kildare look to be heading back down while Galway look safe.

The Dubs are the only promoted team that have never been relegated. There are four counties that have been promoted and have been relegated straight back down the following season and they are Cavan, Down, Laois and Westmeath and the midlands county did this twice. Kildare look like been the fifth county to do this. It has happened four times that both promoted counties have never been relegated together the following year. 2014 was the last time this happened and both Donegal and Monaghan are still in Division One.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11446 - 15/02/2018 15:42:29    2077140

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Replying To OLLIE:  "The National League format of four divisions with eight teams in each league is ten years old this year. Here is a look back at the teams promoted from Division Two to Division One and how they have fared in the top Division.

2008: Division Two Promoted teams: Westmeath and the Dubs.
Westmeath got relegated in 2009 and the Dubs are still in Division One.

2009: Division Two Promoted teams: Monaghan and Cork.
Monaghan got relegated in 2011 and Cork got relegated in 2016.

2010: Division Two Promoted teams: Armagh and Down.
Armagh got relegated in 2012 and Down got relegated in 2013.

2011: Division Two Promoted teams: Laois and Donegal.
Laois got relegated in 2012 and Donegal in 2013.

2012: Division Two Promoted teams: Kildare and Tyrone.
Kildare got relegated in 2014 and Tyrone in 2015.

2013: Division Two Promoted teams: Westmeath and Derry.
Westmeath relegated in 2014 and Derry in 2015.

2014: Division Two Promoted teams: Donegal and Monaghan.
Both Donegal and Monaghan are still in Division One.

2015: Division Two Promoted teams: Down and Roscommon.
Down relegated in 2016 and Roscommon in 2017.

2016: Division Two Promoted teams: Cavan and Tyrone.
Cavan relegated in 2017 and Tyrone still in Division One.

2017: Division Two Promoted teams: Kildare and Galway.
Kildare look to be heading back down while Galway look safe.

The Dubs are the only promoted team that have never been relegated. There are four counties that have been promoted and have been relegated straight back down the following season and they are Cavan, Down, Laois and Westmeath and the midlands county did this twice. Kildare look like been the fifth county to do this. It has happened four times that both promoted counties have never been relegated together the following year. 2014 was the last time this happened and both Donegal and Monaghan are still in Division One."
Olly, you shouldn't try to break into this Meath/Kildare discussion. Even worse, you introduce facts - naughty boy.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1180 - 15/02/2018 16:06:43    2077148

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Replying To neverright:  "Olly, you shouldn't try to break into this Meath/Kildare discussion. Even worse, you introduce facts - naughty boy."
Ah Neverright Leinster needs a good Meath and Kildare team like they were in 1990's. That 1997 clash between them after three matches was something else. Ah you can't bate stats and facts.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11446 - 15/02/2018 16:31:53    2077158

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who won the Cavan v Dublin game today?

abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 264 - 18/02/2018 17:03:23    2077961

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Replying To abitawit:  "who won the Cavan v Dublin game today?"
That must have been some night

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1180 - 18/02/2018 20:00:35    2078067

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Everyone bar Louth could go up although I doubt Clare will but Cork, Down, Cavan, Meath, Tipp & Roscommon will all fancy their chances of getting promoted, would be surprised if this doesn't go down to the last day based on what we've seen so far.

I can never understand the optimism that a couple of Meath posters have, based on the players they've got the best they can hope for is to be a yoyo side and making the super 8's inside the next few years, their underage for a county of their size and tradition just isn't good enough the lase decade.

Apart from Cork who have the talent and plenty else going for them its hard to make a case for anyone else getting promoted and making an impression.

JDF (Galway) - Posts: 116 - 19/02/2018 11:16:54    2078269

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I went to the Cavan Meath game yesterday to see what the fuss is about Meath. They have been build up by Royaldunne & Furlong here that it was a given that they would go up D1 for next season in their eyes as they have such a great young squad with massive potential and they have the manager in charge now who all Meath fans wanted. From what I saw yesterday there is no way Meath will get promoted to D1. They're a very ordinary team and staying in D2 will be an achievement in itself. Meath need to forget about the pass as it will be a long time before they will competing for Leinster's; never mind All Irelands. To be fair, the majority of Meath fans know this.

Leinster football needs Meath back so they can challenge Dublin's dominance in Leinster. It looks like Kildare are going straight back to D2. Offaly and Wexford are destined for D4. Longford and Westmeath are doing ok in D3. So overall the rest of Leinster have a lot of catching up to do with Dublin.

Matthew (None) - Posts: 836 - 19/02/2018 14:13:24    2078354

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Replying To Matthew:  "I went to the Cavan Meath game yesterday to see what the fuss is about Meath. They have been build up by Royaldunne & Furlong here that it was a given that they would go up D1 for next season in their eyes as they have such a great young squad with massive potential and they have the manager in charge now who all Meath fans wanted. From what I saw yesterday there is no way Meath will get promoted to D1. They're a very ordinary team and staying in D2 will be an achievement in itself. Meath need to forget about the pass as it will be a long time before they will competing for Leinster's; never mind All Irelands. To be fair, the majority of Meath fans know this.

Leinster football needs Meath back so they can challenge Dublin's dominance in Leinster. It looks like Kildare are going straight back to D2. Offaly and Wexford are destined for D4. Longford and Westmeath are doing ok in D3. So overall the rest of Leinster have a lot of catching up to do with Dublin."
Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 456 - 19/02/2018 14:58:53    2078379

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Replying To JDF:  "Everyone bar Louth could go up although I doubt Clare will but Cork, Down, Cavan, Meath, Tipp & Roscommon will all fancy their chances of getting promoted, would be surprised if this doesn't go down to the last day based on what we've seen so far.

I can never understand the optimism that a couple of Meath posters have, based on the players they've got the best they can hope for is to be a yoyo side and making the super 8's inside the next few years, their underage for a county of their size and tradition just isn't good enough the lase decade.

Apart from Cork who have the talent and plenty else going for them its hard to make a case for anyone else getting promoted and making an impression."
Agree with most of what you say, promotion will go done to last day, Louth and Clare look most lightly to go down but another loss for ourselves will leave us in trouble. Cavan in good place but must play Cork, Roscommon,Down and Tipp. Some lads can be over optimistic but whats the harm in that. Some posters seem to get wound up by this optisim, at the end of the day its only ourselves we are setting up for dissapointment and at this stage we are well able to handle it.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1038 - 19/02/2018 15:05:54    2078384

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."
Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man
And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."


I think you're flattering yourself a little bit here.
I honestly think some Meath people are using Kildare and Cavans so called ''hate'' to feel relevant in football terms of late.
However the fact is that although Cavan are no world beaters and will be happy to consolidate in division 2, Cavan came down from division 1 last year. Meath were middle of the road division 2. do your sums on that and come back and tell me again why some of your fellow meath men predicted a ''comfortable'' Meath win yesterday.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 234 - 19/02/2018 15:28:28    2078400

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."
Cavan was never in div 4

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 556 - 19/02/2018 15:30:35    2078402

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."
Cavan were never in div 4, get your facts right before you spout s...e.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 556 - 19/02/2018 15:32:44    2078403

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Cavan were never in div 4, get your facts right before you spout s...e."
Don't be trying to make excuses over yesterday, you aren't as good of a team as you think you are, we might not be great but we are a little bit better than you.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 556 - 19/02/2018 15:36:18    2078404

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."
Beating Meath is not the number 1 game for any Cavan man. Nobody hates Meath football. Get over yourself and take your beating. We're better than you and we won the match. There's nothing more to it.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11459 - 19/02/2018 15:45:19    2078409

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Plenty of youth and inexperience in that Cavan team yesterday. Meath are a decent Division 2 side but I didn't see any obvious trait in them that would suggest they're heading for the top table. They actually reminded me of Cavan a bit from the last few years. Not particularly pacey inside which limits exploitation of space and good runs made inside which in turn limits the kicking options of the outfield players. This leads to over running the ball when going forward and lateral hand passing across the 50. We've managed to add a bit of pace to this area but these type of players don't grow on trees so patience is needed. Alternatively you can add power and size in there and go very direct but again not every "big lad" is suitable. From what I've seen of Kildare they're much better equipped to be no. 2 in Leinster with Kelly, Flynn and Brophy. From the rest of Division 2 over the last few years Galway really look like a team with the ammunition to get to the top level. I'm not sure what's coming through in Meath but from our experience adding youth from defense to half forward will only improve you so much before it plateaus. Organisation and professionalism are vital but games are won by inside forwards.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 799 - 19/02/2018 16:36:26    2078432

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Beating Meath is not the number 1 game for any Cavan man. Nobody hates Meath football. Get over yourself and take your beating. We're better than you and we won the match. There's nothing more to it."
Beating Meath wouldn't be that big of a deal for most of Kildare either to be honest.
In the real world, there isn't anywhere near the level of joy at Meath losing among people I know that there is on hoganstand. Why is that ? One particularly poisonous Meath poster has dragged a lot of people down to his low level would be my guess.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 438 - 19/02/2018 16:50:05    2078439

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Seen as Im mentioned above in the above message I would like to clarify a few things.

1 I never built Meath up this year. I said over and over and over again that this year would be up and down. It would be inconsistent. I said this consistently on this forum. Next year or in 2020 and 2021 I believe true progress will be seen. We are a work in progress.
In terms of yesterday players like lavin McGill Conlon Flanagan who were all excellent recently played poorly. Thats what happens with young players. They are up and down. Conlon is excellent prospect was poor yesterday. Hes 20 years of age. McGill is 22. Lavin Flanagan Rooney are 23. They have years of football.ahead of them. I think allot of people are delighted with yesterday and want to really believe Meath will stay the same.

My point is simple Meath are one of the youngest teams in the country the vast majority of players are 3 to 4 years away from peaking. Most players peak at 27 28. In 2 or 3 years time you can then judge. But yesterday was not a true reflection of Meaths ability. Again allot of people want and need Meath to be bad team. We arent as bad as people want us to be.
And I doubt Cavan are as good. In my experience Cavan always play like men possessed v Meath. Cavan and kildare play like 15 all stars and with unbelievable passion when they play Meath. Even when Meath had the best team in the land and Cavan and kildare were in div 4 Meath always found it hard to beat them. Both Cavan and kildare hate Meath with a passion. Beating Meath is the number 1 game for any Cavan man. If you took 15 men from Cavan town on sunday they would have played like men possessed v Meath. I have never seen Cavan play poorly v Meath. I remeber in the 90s we were All Ireland champions and Cavan were div 4. And we played them and they were unbelievable. They were even better then Dublin but yet they were in div 4. Meaths record v Cavan and kildare is poor. They both have the best record in the country v Meath. And they also hate Meath football with an unreal passion. It linked."
Furlong .. you are delusional
Cavan are coming from Div 1 last year, where they drew with kerry, beat Mayo and lost 2 other games by <2 pts.
They have a range of lads with Ulster underage medals.
Meath Have ???????
Where is the evidence that Meath should or can beat Cavan? ...apart from your feelings
as for age etc .... 12 of the Cavan team yesterday made their debut in the first league match v Clare.

SO... part 1 ... is learn to understand where ye are and set realistic expectations to avoid " shock" results. Good luck in the OByrne cup final !!!!... and hope you stay up too (and you will, but not too comfortably)

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 37 - 19/02/2018 16:50:54    2078440

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Replying To Jimjo:  "Furlong .. you are delusional
Cavan are coming from Div 1 last year, where they drew with kerry, beat Mayo and lost 2 other games by <2 pts.
They have a range of lads with Ulster underage medals.
Meath Have ???????
Where is the evidence that Meath should or can beat Cavan? ...apart from your feelings
as for age etc .... 12 of the Cavan team yesterday made their debut in the first league match v Clare.

SO... part 1 ... is learn to understand where ye are and set realistic expectations to avoid " shock" results. Good luck in the OByrne cup final !!!!... and hope you stay up too (and you will, but not too comfortably)"
Jimjo we drew with Monaghan last year as well.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 556 - 19/02/2018 17:45:50    2078468

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