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The Allianz FL Thread (Division 2, 3 & 4)

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Disagree with Ye here, there's not much between Monaghan Donegal Galway Kildare Tyrone cork down Meath Roscommon Cavan in my opinion, all these teams can beat each other on any given day, even Kerry and mayo can be beaten in the league depending on there mood."
There can be two places in Division 1 for average teams depending on the previous seasons Div 2. However Meath are not at the level of Donegal, Tyrone, or Kildare. These three are way ahead of Meath. Division 2 this year is fairly weak so Meath need to take the opportunity. Next year Kildare and most likely Mayo, Donegal or Tyrone will be in Division 2. Meath would not be promoted with those teams in Div 2. If they manage to get through a weak Div 2 this year which is unlikely they will lose at least 6 games in Div 1.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 334 - 14/02/2018 12:12:22    2076748

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Replying To abitawit:  "theirs clear night and day between division 1 and 2.
teams that are promoted are almost guaranteed to go down..galway this year are joining the big boys of provincial winners/competitors so they are pushing on...
kildare are very unlucky they obviously have a very good young team.
so essentially you could say what separates the top 6 teams in division 1 from the rest of Ireland is that they are all competing for provincial championship honours...
so unfortunately that would leave meath stuck in the muck of div 2/3 for the next 10 years or so"
Your wrong here when you say the promoted div 2 teams are almost guaranteed to get relegated the following season, statistically over the last five years of the ten promoted teams only three were relegated in there first year in div 1, if Meath do get promoted to div 1 I'm sure we be competitive but we have to get there first.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 152 - 14/02/2018 13:16:20    2076779

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Replying To sam1884:  "There can be two places in Division 1 for average teams depending on the previous seasons Div 2. However Meath are not at the level of Donegal, Tyrone, or Kildare. These three are way ahead of Meath. Division 2 this year is fairly weak so Meath need to take the opportunity. Next year Kildare and most likely Mayo, Donegal or Tyrone will be in Division 2. Meath would not be promoted with those teams in Div 2. If they manage to get through a weak Div 2 this year which is unlikely they will lose at least 6 games in Div 1."
We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3241 - 14/02/2018 13:25:01    2076783

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Your wrong here when you say the promoted div 2 teams are almost guaranteed to get relegated the following season, statistically over the last five years of the ten promoted teams only three were relegated in there first year in div 1, if Meath do get promoted to div 1 I'm sure we be competitive but we have to get there first."
theirs a touch of hot air with that statistic that I couldn't be bothered going into....

I just don't understand on what bases you think meath football would be competitive in division 1.

I would give you this thou..meath are the 3rd best team in Leinster

and Italy are the 6th best rugby team in europe

abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 272 - 14/02/2018 13:46:45    2076791

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Replying To Richieq:  "We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there"
just to break that down into a digestible read...last year you played Donegal Tyrone and kildare and were defeated in all 3 games.

abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 272 - 14/02/2018 13:52:08    2076797

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Replying To Richieq:  "We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there"
Every season Meath posters tell us they will do this and that!! Any big Championship game away from home is tough especially in the qualifers when teams have a run of games. Donegal went into Navan and won. The next day Galway hammered them which shows how far Meath are away - they couldn't beat a Donegal team running on empty in Navan. Donegal have freshed things this year and will kick on. They have played great football and been very unlucky against top sides!! Meath might not like it but Kildare embarassed them last year - without breaking sweat. Kildare are currently streets ahead of Meath with a promising young team. Are you seriously saying Meath are on a par with Tyrone?! You talk about a game three years ago, the reason there has been no recent games is due to Meath not being on Tyrone's radar. As I mentioned Meath may get lucky this year - as Div 2 is weak but ironically the way things are looking for next year Meath might struggle to stay up even in Div 2 next year. I really don't rate Meath but they try and market themselves well.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 334 - 14/02/2018 13:53:57    2076798

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Replying To sam1884:  "Every season Meath posters tell us they will do this and that!! Any big Championship game away from home is tough especially in the qualifers when teams have a run of games. Donegal went into Navan and won. The next day Galway hammered them which shows how far Meath are away - they couldn't beat a Donegal team running on empty in Navan. Donegal have freshed things this year and will kick on. They have played great football and been very unlucky against top sides!! Meath might not like it but Kildare embarassed them last year - without breaking sweat. Kildare are currently streets ahead of Meath with a promising young team. Are you seriously saying Meath are on a par with Tyrone?! You talk about a game three years ago, the reason there has been no recent games is due to Meath not being on Tyrone's radar. As I mentioned Meath may get lucky this year - as Div 2 is weak but ironically the way things are looking for next year Meath might struggle to stay up even in Div 2 next year. I really don't rate Meath but they try and market themselves well."
Right now that you've got your true feelings out of the way let me say this, most Meath supporters including myself are very realistic of where we are and what we need to do going forward. We haven't been in Division 1 in 12 years and have won Leinster once since 2001, one in 17 years, so that acknowledgment puts my cards in the table but that doesn't mean I don't think we could compete with and beat teams like Tyrone, Kildare or Donegal. What did Tyrone do last year?? Won a mediocre Ulster championship, hammered a woeful Armagh team who had beaten the all powerful Kildare and got stuffed by Dublin just like every other team in Leinster for the past few years so don't talk up Tyrone to me, they have a long way to go before they considered streets ahead of us let alone being on a par with the Dubs of this world. Will Kilfare kick on? I actually hope the my do as we need a more robust Leinster but 3 defeats in 3 games had then looking at going straight back down. Will they beat Kerry? Mayo? Galway? We shall see but your opinion of "kicking on" seems to differ from mine

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3241 - 14/02/2018 14:55:21    2076816

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Jasus I'll have to head to the bull that night in my Meath top (I actually did that years ago ) lol. It was pre 10 so things weren't as bad, look at poor Betty he went there for a pint came out with a quare one and has never been the same since:)"
Good man Royaldunne. You would feel right at home in the Bull. Even though it's in the Wee County, the Bull would be in the catchment area of the Cilles. Ah Betty. I had some wee royal rumblings with him.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11526 - 14/02/2018 16:17:38    2076851

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Replying To Richieq:  "We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there"
And you could be accused of excessive use of the holy water:). You had two shots at us last year, one if them in your own backyard, and we beat Meath by an aggregate of 30 points. Now you can beat us all of a sudden. Ah yeah sure ya have to laugh!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 770 - 14/02/2018 17:12:37    2076866

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Replying To Richieq:  "We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there"
I'd love to know where Meath people get their optimism from. They've got further than tipp in Cship once since 2011 (2013). That is a desperate stat for a county with the tradition and history that Meath have,
What is being done in Meath to improve the level of football? From far away there seems that no work is being done at underage. They're a county that seems to be continually slipping down the pecking order with no criticism coming from within the county. Compare that with Cork for example where you have rumblings coming out all of the time and they demand so much more. Meath as a county seem to think that they will magically compete with teams because that's what they done in the 90's.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2479 - 14/02/2018 17:52:40    2076873

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Replying To Richieq:  "We came within a point of Donegal last summer and with a bit more savvy in front of goal could of beaten them, we have been competitive with Tyrone in shy have we played them in and could also have beaten them in Omagh in 2015, Kildare certainly got the better of us last year but we had a period of dominance over them prior to that and I don't think last years games give an accurate reflection of the gap between the two sides, albeit they were far better in both days and deserved their wins. I would have no fear of playing those three teams and would believe that on our day we would certainly compete with them and could beat them so I think you could be accused of excessive use of the whip with your opinion there"
That 'period of dominance' over Kildare lasted all of two games. In the last nine competitive games Kildare have won 7 and Meath two. I think also that 2 wins is over a period of 8vyears or more.
Theres a lot of talk of Meath being so close to promotion but the real measure is that over the last few years they've come third in division 2. Thats not nearly.

We've lost 3 games in div 1, 7 points to Dublin a one point losses to Tyrone and Monaghan. We're not that far off the standard.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1473 - 14/02/2018 18:44:33    2076884

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All teams now take the league serious so wait for it.. A division one team would be considered better than a division 2 team and so on.

Every team can take a scalp on their day, but consistency is a good measure of any team and this is what the league table shows.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 917 - 14/02/2018 19:30:28    2076894

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'd love to know where Meath people get their optimism from. They've got further than tipp in Cship once since 2011 (2013). That is a desperate stat for a county with the tradition and history that Meath have,
What is being done in Meath to improve the level of football? From far away there seems that no work is being done at underage. They're a county that seems to be continually slipping down the pecking order with no criticism coming from within the county. Compare that with Cork for example where you have rumblings coming out all of the time and they demand so much more. Meath as a county seem to think that they will magically compete with teams because that's what they done in the 90's."
Underage teams in Meath have easily been as good as Dublin or Kildare in the last few years. Under 17s won Leinster last year also so to say nothing is being done is untrue. The senior team I will admit are fairly average but there still well capable of being promoted from this division. There's been worse Meath teams In the last few years that narrowly missed out on promotion from a stronger ddivision two than this one.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 111 - 14/02/2018 20:05:40    2076900

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Replying To Royalace:  "Underage teams in Meath have easily been as good as Dublin or Kildare in the last few years. Under 17s won Leinster last year also so to say nothing is being done is untrue. The senior team I will admit are fairly average but there still well capable of being promoted from this division. There's been worse Meath teams In the last few years that narrowly missed out on promotion from a stronger ddivision two than this one."
How many minor or u21 leinsters have Meath won in the last 5 years ??
One u17 title doesnt support your suggestion that Meath underage is is good as Kildare or Dublin's.

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1473 - 14/02/2018 20:16:40    2076904

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'd love to know where Meath people get their optimism from. They've got further than tipp in Cship once since 2011 (2013). That is a desperate stat for a county with the tradition and history that Meath have,
What is being done in Meath to improve the level of football? From far away there seems that no work is being done at underage. They're a county that seems to be continually slipping down the pecking order with no criticism coming from within the county. Compare that with Cork for example where you have rumblings coming out all of the time and they demand so much more. Meath as a county seem to think that they will magically compete with teams because that's what they done in the 90's."
You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment there. There has been nothing but moaning and negativity within the county for the last 5 years as everyone inside meath knows how bad we've been. It's finally looking like we might be improving certainly not going backwards and realistically how on earth would you know what's going on at underage level in meath??

Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 168 - 14/02/2018 21:45:47    2076927

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Replying To kildare73:  "And you could be accused of excessive use of the holy water:). You had two shots at us last year, one if them in your own backyard, and we beat Meath by an aggregate of 30 points. Now you can beat us all of a sudden. Ah yeah sure ya have to laugh!"
Read the post properly I emphasised "could" and said first that I believed we could compete, don't twist my words to suit having a pop.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3241 - 14/02/2018 22:16:17    2076934

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Replying To St.Conleth:  "That 'period of dominance' over Kildare lasted all of two games. In the last nine competitive games Kildare have won 7 and Meath two. I think also that 2 wins is over a period of 8vyears or more.
Theres a lot of talk of Meath being so close to promotion but the real measure is that over the last few years they've come third in division 2. Thats not nearly.

We've lost 3 games in div 1, 7 points to Dublin a one point losses to Tyrone and Monaghan. We're not that far off the standard."
If coming third in the division is not nearly getting promoted what is?? Beat in mind we lost out on a head to head result to Roscommon for promotion when our score difference was the best in the division, but the reason we haven't been promoted had been our own fault as we have dropped points in games we should have won and had slow starts to campaigns that left us with too much to catch up on, bit like Kildare in Division 1 this year really

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3241 - 14/02/2018 22:20:00    2076935

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'd love to know where Meath people get their optimism from. They've got further than tipp in Cship once since 2011 (2013). That is a desperate stat for a county with the tradition and history that Meath have,
What is being done in Meath to improve the level of football? From far away there seems that no work is being done at underage. They're a county that seems to be continually slipping down the pecking order with no criticism coming from within the county. Compare that with Cork for example where you have rumblings coming out all of the time and they demand so much more. Meath as a county seem to think that they will magically compete with teams because that's what they done in the 90's."
Go over to the Meath forum and you will see how wrong you are. And no one thinks our past achievements entitle us to anything, that ship had long sailed.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3241 - 14/02/2018 22:23:16    2076936

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Replying To Richieq:  "If coming third in the division is not nearly getting promoted what is?? Beat in mind we lost out on a head to head result to Roscommon for promotion when our score difference was the best in the division, but the reason we haven't been promoted had been our own fault as we have dropped points in games we should have won and had slow starts to campaigns that left us with too much to catch up on, bit like Kildare in Division 1 this year really"
Haha even with our position in Div 1 we are still living your dream!! While Meath have trying to get promoted Kildare have had time to go from div 1 to div 3 and back to div 1 again. All we hear is 'nearly or almost' got promoted but fact is Meath didn't because there was always at least two teams better than you. Bit ironic someone from Meath trying to mock a div 1 team but whatever floats yer boat:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 770 - 14/02/2018 23:37:37    2076949

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Kildare are a better side than Meath without question, not sure what the issue is.
But Kildare need to look at themselves and in the next few years make the best of some good underage sides.
The notoriously flatter to deceive, so it will be interesting to see what the can do in the next few years.

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 15/02/2018 05:41:28    2076964

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