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Kevin Martin - Importance Of Having A Top Coach

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Kevin Martin is a peoples man which will be a massive help to him dealing with panel and getting many good players back on board...is he a good coach/manager?..we will have to wait and see...managing this/that club team and so called lesser hurling counties (we are one now I suppose) is one thing..being manager of county like Offaly trying to get back to the top table with the standards now set is going to be an awful hard job, a job I dont know if we even have the resources to fund..yes alot of people got a bit excited beating a Dublin team with he Cuala players, that was Dublins best team that day I suppose...Limerick were without the Na Piarsaigh players and were a completely different kettle of fish..Offaly are probably somewhere in the middle of those 2 games results wise...Galway will be a massive game (pity for Offaly its not towards end of League when we have a few more games under our belts) but it is as it is...0-10 a terrible return this day and age when most teams free takers return that amount minimum from frees alone...the result of the games against Laois and teams like that will be a good indicator of where Offaly are (beating them is one thing but beating them with a whole heap of points and no goals wont be a good sign..I know Wexford beat Cork etc with no goal but that was a different battle between 2 good sides...anyway..lets see how we go...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 228 - 07/02/2018 21:16:03    2074910

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Kevin Martin is a peoples man which will be a massive help to him dealing with panel and getting many good players back on board...is he a good coach/manager?..we will have to wait and see...managing this/that club team and so called lesser hurling counties (we are one now I suppose) is one thing..being manager of county like Offaly trying to get back to the top table with the standards now set is going to be an awful hard job, a job I dont know if we even have the resources to fund..yes alot of people got a bit excited beating a Dublin team with he Cuala players, that was Dublins best team that day I suppose...Limerick were without the Na Piarsaigh players and were a completely different kettle of fish..Offaly are probably somewhere in the middle of those 2 games results wise...Galway will be a massive game (pity for Offaly its not towards end of League when we have a few more games under our belts) but it is as it is...0-10 a terrible return this day and age when most teams free takers return that amount minimum from frees alone...the result of the games against Laois and teams like that will be a good indicator of where Offaly are (beating them is one thing but beating them with a whole heap of points and no goals wont be a good sign..I know Wexford beat Cork etc with no goal but that was a different battle between 2 good sides...anyway..lets see how we go..."
Fairplayalways, I wouldn't agree with you that beating the opposition "with a whole heap of points" but no goals, is a bad sign. Galway fairly demolished that theory last year when scoring only 2 goals in the whole championship. Admittedly a big reason for that is because we were playing teams that were deploying one and sometimes two sweepers -- which is a problem ye won't face. A win is a win no matter what way it comes and if I see a scoreline of, let's say, 0-16 to 2-08 --- without seeing the game I know the team that scored the points deserved to win cos it's 16 scores versus 10 scores.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1110 - 07/02/2018 21:56:11    2074920

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Fairplayalways, I wouldn't agree with you that beating the opposition "with a whole heap of points" but no goals, is a bad sign. Galway fairly demolished that theory last year when scoring only 2 goals in the whole championship. Admittedly a big reason for that is because we were playing teams that were deploying one and sometimes two sweepers -- which is a problem ye won't face. A win is a win no matter what way it comes and if I see a scoreline of, let's say, 0-16 to 2-08 --- without seeing the game I know the team that scored the points deserved to win cos it's 16 scores versus 10 scores."
I hear what your saying.and the way hurling has gone, with the exception of Kilkenny at the height of their dominance when 3 or more goals per game for them was the norm in every game, the game now is point after point from every angle and distance, you say the 16 scores versus 10..I remember Limerick beating Offaly 5-06 to 0-18 in the NHL in Birr in 1984/5..Offaly were streets ahead of them but conceded goals and lost...that was 0-18 scores versus 11...anyways how will Offaly do against Galway do you think?

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 228 - 08/02/2018 19:39:53    2075093

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These huge point scoring fests are a complete bore. There's no playing 'through the line's'. The spectacle is all the worse for it. I feel that there should be no scores got from past half way at least and very few from outside the 65. The only option is to increase substantially the weight of the ball and save the game.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 09/02/2018 11:56:02    2075210

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "These huge point scoring fests are a complete bore. There's no playing 'through the line's'. The spectacle is all the worse for it. I feel that there should be no scores got from past half way at least and very few from outside the 65. The only option is to increase substantially the weight of the ball and save the game."
Regulate the size of the bas is an option either.

The modern bas is bigger than a goalkeeper's bas from 20 years ago.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12115 - 09/02/2018 12:42:24    2075229

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Regulate the size of the bas is an option either.

The modern bas is bigger than a goalkeeper's bas from 20 years ago."
What relevance has that got?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 3764 - 09/02/2018 15:09:51    2075254

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Replying To keeper7:  "What relevance has that got?"
Just replying to the post above mine about making the sliotar heavier to stop as much long range scoring.

Not saying I necessarily agree but that one of the reasons players can strike longer nowadays is not just the lighter sliotar but that bas sizes, and general craftsmanship of hurls, has improved in the last 20 years.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12115 - 09/02/2018 17:45:46    2075277

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I hear what your saying.and the way hurling has gone, with the exception of Kilkenny at the height of their dominance when 3 or more goals per game for them was the norm in every game, the game now is point after point from every angle and distance, you say the 16 scores versus 10..I remember Limerick beating Offaly 5-06 to 0-18 in the NHL in Birr in 1984/5..Offaly were streets ahead of them but conceded goals and lost...that was 0-18 scores versus 11...anyways how will Offaly do against Galway do you think?"
Galway will beat Offaly. We are playing the All Ireland Champions, and Offaly are just not at that level.
Our main focus is on the home games v Laois and Antrim.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 933 - 09/02/2018 18:21:30    2075283

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Just replying to the post above mine about making the sliotar heavier to stop as much long range scoring.

Not saying I necessarily agree but that one of the reasons players can strike longer nowadays is not just the lighter sliotar but that bas sizes, and general craftsmanship of hurls, has improved in the last 20 years."
I wouldn't have thought that a bigger bas would necessarily aided a longer strike.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 3764 - 09/02/2018 19:34:13    2075293

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Galway will beat Offaly. We are playing the All Ireland Champions, and Offaly are just not at that level.
Our main focus is on the home games v Laois and Antrim."
Galway have yet to get going properly but you'd imagine by Sunday week they'll be edging firmly towards it.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 3764 - 09/02/2018 19:37:11    2075295

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Replying To keeper7:  "I wouldn't have thought that a bigger bas would necessarily aided a longer strike."
I think it adds a consistently long strike keeper.

Lads could drive the ball 100 yards 20 years ago but not almost every time like they can now.

Hurls weren't half as well made either imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12115 - 09/02/2018 20:26:42    2075306

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I think it adds a consistently long strike keeper.

Lads could drive the ball 100 yards 20 years ago but not almost every time like they can now.

Hurls weren't half as well made either imo."
Most goalkeepers don't use their large bas hurley for their long puckouts?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 3764 - 10/02/2018 01:17:11    2075348

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Replying To keeper7:  "Most goalkeepers don't use their large bas hurley for their long puckouts?"
Yeah that's true I suppose but I think that modern keeper's hurls have become almost too large for puck outs!

I think they use a more normal hurl now that would've been equivalent to a goalie's hurl 20 years ago for optimum distance.

Maybe there's no difference but I think you can get a more consistently longer strike with the larger, modern bas.

That coupled with the lighter sliotar has led to an increase in long distance striking imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12115 - 10/02/2018 13:01:01    2075396

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