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Replying To Wally:  "You keep bringing up this comment I made a couple of years ago (which you totally took out of context) and use it like somehow it justifies your very weak argument. Try to come up with some new material will you. I have never ever actually supported Mickey Hartes approach to managing this current team.

Ok so your excuse for surrendering our half time lead in our home ground and not scoring for 27min in the 2nd half is because Dublin are better than us?? Nothing to do with our tactics at all. This couldn't possibly be anything to do with our management approach? No way at all?

Tell me this. What was the reason for scoring 3 points from play against Galway last week? What was the reason for failing to score a single point in the last 20min against Mayo a couple years ago in the all Ireland semi final?

Your fundamentalist attitude to supporting Mickey Harte is actually scary?

Have you ever visited North Korea?"
You still haven't answered my question....were you there on Saturday night?
Listen MH has made mistakes,he's human. So has Jim Gavin etc etc. I have disagree with MH plenty of times.
Tell me this what did MH do wrong on Saturday night?
He can only prepare and put out the best team he thinks will win the match.
They didn't score for 27 mins because they hit 13 wides and missed a one on one. McAliskey missed a 30 yard free and missed a one on one with the keeper, what do you want MH to do? Lace up the boots and put it over the bar for him? Again against Mayo they missed 3 sitters for points to draw the match. Again what can MH do about that?
Does the responsibility not come down to the players as well?
You clearly struggle to grasp the basic concept of Football. But anyway I think you should sleep on it. You can grasp the concept of turning off a light can't you?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1198 - 05/02/2018 22:33:39    2074467

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Can people not appreciate that we do actually play the same system regardless of who we play? I've seen comments on here saying that we play good counter attacking football against the weaker sides but once we play a big team, we resort to packing the defence etc etc....this is utter nonsense.
We played the same way against Dublin last year as we did against Armagh, Derry and Down. The difference being that Dublin are on a completely different planet to Armagh and beat us as they were simply the better team.

We scored 1-11 on Saturday night and as someone rightly pointed out, hit 13 wides and a one on one goal chance. If this was Dublin, the one on one would be converted and so would at least 50% of the wides. All of a sudden you would have 2-15 upwards on the scoreboard.

I'm led to believe that since records began, over the last two years in the Ulster Championship we have broken the record for the most amount scored in both years. I don't see how the negative defensive football narrative fits with this?
The reason we don't put up the scores against the "big 3" is down to our players not quite being good enough to put the ball over the bar when it really matters!

The "negative and defensive" football argument really is starting to become tiresome.

bgal10 (Tyrone) - Posts: 2 - 06/02/2018 11:50:38    2074544

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Replying To bgal10:  "Can people not appreciate that we do actually play the same system regardless of who we play? I've seen comments on here saying that we play good counter attacking football against the weaker sides but once we play a big team, we resort to packing the defence etc etc....this is utter nonsense.
We played the same way against Dublin last year as we did against Armagh, Derry and Down. The difference being that Dublin are on a completely different planet to Armagh and beat us as they were simply the better team.

We scored 1-11 on Saturday night and as someone rightly pointed out, hit 13 wides and a one on one goal chance. If this was Dublin, the one on one would be converted and so would at least 50% of the wides. All of a sudden you would have 2-15 upwards on the scoreboard.

I'm led to believe that since records began, over the last two years in the Ulster Championship we have broken the record for the most amount scored in both years. I don't see how the negative defensive football narrative fits with this?
The reason we don't put up the scores against the "big 3" is down to our players not quite being good enough to put the ball over the bar when it really matters!

The "negative and defensive" football argument really is starting to become tiresome."
A fairly good explanation of how Tyrone play and there capabilites - fairly refreshing post.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3616 - 07/02/2018 18:48:11    2074863

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Thought the atmosphere was terrible.

I expected with a huge amount of Dubs going up and especially taking that end behind the goal, with everyone on a high from the rugby, And Tyrone wanting to make some kind of amends for last Augusts humiliation that everyone would be up for it in the crowd, The Tyrone fellas in particular would get stuck into us and make it a really tough, intimidating game, But instead it just seemed an anti climax all in all. Tyrone started well and youre thinking, oh, here we go, But then they seemed to run out of steam. Kicked some absolutely awful wides in the second half, And the Dubs did what they generally do against the vast majority of teams with maybe the exception of Mayo, And just didn't get flustered despite going down a man and their clearly superior class came to the fore. No absolute stand out performers in my opinion although I was impressed with Ciaran Kilkenny. Fast becoming my favourite Dublin player. Dubs doing a lot of the basics very well. Nothing overly complicated. Just ticking along like the well oiled machine that we are. Tyrone first half anyway kicking the ball a lot more but ultimately a good bit off the Dubs who, we must remember, are only back training 3 weeks. Happy with the win, Roll on Donegal on Saturday. They need the win and would be nice to continue our streak of only 1 competitive defeat between league and championship in 45. Serious going.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12647 - 07/02/2018 20:09:14    2074890

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Has anyone worked out the ratio of scoring attempts vs scores Tyrone have had in championship matches at All Ireland quarter-final stage and later in the last 10 years. My memory suggests Tyrone conversion rate has been below average for a top 4 team during important matches in the last decade and maybe throughout Harte's time as manager.
What is the cause(s) of this and why has the fear grown so much?

Do Harte's bizarre comments about O'Callaghan's goal in last year's semi-final (in his Irish Times interview a couple of weeks ago) help explain this disastrous repeated fear filled shot selection failure that has lasted probably a decade or more now? Does tactical/system rigidity equal freeze and fear? Do Tyrone forwards enjoy playing for their County?

Tyrone had 28-29 scoring attempts against Dublin took 12 and panicked in front of goal (McAlliskey - Kerry - Mayo now Dublin again).

This is the really big problem I believe not the defensive system and note the 3 sleepily conceded goals in the 2 matches of this year's league (so far).

Maybe Tyrone simply have never had the forwards to win the All Ireland for the last 10 years
Some hope possibly in Lee Brennan (but one swallow won't make summer, still I see the 2 Brennan's scored 2-3 between them in their latest Sigerson match).

cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 261 - 08/02/2018 20:57:01    2075111

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Replying To arock:  "A fairly good explanation of how Tyrone play and there capabilites - fairly refreshing post."
Mickey hartes style of football is never going to win Tyrone the big prize - after last years fiasco you'd think there would be a rethink but I feel more of the same from the red hands - pity as I think their players are much better than their recent showings but hartes system turns them into robots without the ability to use their initiatives.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1036 - 10/02/2018 16:54:27    2075433

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