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Good grind to get the win in the end. Tyrone had some shocking wides though, especially in that second half. Lee Brennan is a great find for Tyrone but Harte has taken his time to give him a start. Looks like a real player. Kilkenny was smooth as silk last night for the Dubs, controlling our attacking tempo at all times. Another great stop from Cluxton to add to that super reflex save last week. Solid start for us. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/02/2018 10:17:24 2073775 Link
Replying To cacsmckilly: "I'm not surprised with the result. Eoin Ogara just loves netting the ball against the red hands. The goal itself was humorous. A bad kick out from Morgan straight to Dublin player who passed it to ogara standing beside the goalline, he couldn't have missed it. From a Tyrone perspective there are few positives. 12 wides, some of them easily scoreable. some poor individual performances. One positive is that Harte seem to have played more players in attacking positions. More players were staying up than before but according to sources they didn't seem to know what they were exactly doing. But with all new styles of play it may take time and we may sacrifice our first division status. Well done Dublin, different class." Lee Brennan was a positive. Once the pitches dry out this lad will be a handfull. Great eye for the posts. But yeah tactics are a problem for Harte no question. He has to adapt or they'll go down. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/02/2018 10:27:04 2073780 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Good grind to get the win in the end. Tyrone had some shocking wides though, especially in that second half. Lee Brennan is a great find for Tyrone but Harte has taken his time to give him a start. Looks like a real player. Kilkenny was smooth as silk last night for the Dubs, controlling our attacking tempo at all times. Another great stop from Cluxton to add to that super reflex save last week. Solid start for us." Lee Brennan is a class act. Thought he gave his man a roasting in the first half. The early kick pass inside to Brennan and McAlliskey in the first half caused a lot of problems for the Dubs but it was non existent in the 2nd half. Tyrone would be disappointed conceding 2 very soft goals as well considering they had defended well the majority of night. The efficiency of Dublin is just unreal to watch though while the wides are absolutely killing Tyrone at the moment. And you're right, some of them were shocking last night. Its so demoralising for the players as they start to mount up. Love watching Brian Fenton in action. What a player, and he is getting better with each year! HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 04/02/2018 11:31:05 2073795 Link
Good win in Omagh, always a difficult place to go and get a result. Got a little lucky with the 2nd goal though. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 04/02/2018 13:20:50 2073825 Link
Good win on the road. 2nd half particularly. Hope the hurlers can do the same and badly need pick up after last week. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/02/2018 14:17:25 2073838 Link
Congrats Dublin. Very efficient with very little wides. Kilkenny excellent. From a Tyrone perspective there were positives. Brennan excellent. I felt young McLaughlin was very good for first start. Defence turned Dublin over numerous times and there tackiling very generally good. Obviously the 13 wides and goal chance is a worry. MH can't do much about that however, it's up to the individual player to sort out. The wind last night was shocking so that determinatives the tactics for both teams. The two goals were sloppy. Leaves Tyrone struggling to stay up, probably need 4 wins out of 5 games. 3 of them are away. Need a win next weekend. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 04/02/2018 14:21:15 2073839 Link
Always a great result to go away to Omagh and come out with a win. Basquel seems to have matured this year and could be a serious option in the summer. Howard is a Jim Gavin player if ever there was one. Should be similar to last year with the senior players getting a spin here and there. Young players in the van guard again and doing a sterling job. Our approach so far has been rope a dope, don't over exert stay in touching distance full pelt in the third quarter then retreat for the last quarter and conserve energy. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/02/2018 19:22:35 2074000 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Congrats Dublin. Very efficient with very little wides. Kilkenny excellent. From a Tyrone perspective there were positives. Brennan excellent. I felt young McLaughlin was very good for first start. Defence turned Dublin over numerous times and there tackiling very generally good. Obviously the 13 wides and goal chance is a worry. MH can't do much about that however, it's up to the individual player to sort out. The wind last night was shocking so that determinatives the tactics for both teams. The two goals were sloppy. Leaves Tyrone struggling to stay up, probably need 4 wins out of 5 games. 3 of them are away. Need a win next weekend." Of course this couldn't be Mickeys fault. Sure Mickey can do no wrong. How about he spent a portion of this past few years concentrating on attacking football and letting the players play with a bit of instinctive abandon. Then they might actually have the practice and ability to score once the opportunity arises. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 04/02/2018 20:11:32 2074031 Link
Chat about systems is unfair and irrelevant. Dublin had 14 men behind the ball too when they needed to, but Brolly will say nothing about that. All teams play a similar style; the 'differences' are hyped up by one-eyed sentimental pundits and county propaganda merchants trying to spoof the rest of us that certain counties have some kind of 'pure' approach. Sentimental, bigoted drivel, mostly. Real difference between Dublin and Tyrone at the weekend is that Dublin has more good players than Tyrone has. It's not that hard to understand. Dublin has quality all through the side and we'll be lucky to get within an ass' roar of them come the championship. As for the league, we may stay up, but I wouldn't bet too much on it. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/02/2018 20:42:19 2074050 Link
A good win for dublin up north.tyrone decent enough in 1st half..dublin showing in the 2nd half that a bit of kicking practice bears fruition.jesus some of the wides and balls short tyrone kicked were criminal. They couldnt buy a point..basquel impressed and fenton 'and kilkenny was brilliant.. GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 04/02/2018 20:58:34 2074062 Link
Replying To Wally: "Of course this couldn't be Mickeys fault. Sure Mickey can do no wrong. How about he spent a portion of this past few years concentrating on attacking football and letting the players play with a bit of instinctive abandon. Then they might actually have the practice and ability to score once the opportunity arises." Wally As you don't go to Tyrone games (well apart from semi finals in Croke Park), you may have missed Tyrone's attacking play in the first half. They kicked the ball in numerous times to McShane and Brennan. Did it always work, no. But they certainly attacked. In the second half playing into a strong wind they changed their tactics for obvious reasons. You probably never seen Dublin playing 15 men, and I mean every single player was behind the ball, and hitting Tyrone on the counter, the exact seem way Tyrone played last year. Are you going to critique Dublin? Will Brolly? Highly doubtful. Dublin won because they played better on the night, simple as. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 05/02/2018 09:05:06 2074151 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Wally As you don't go to Tyrone games (well apart from semi finals in Croke Park), you may have missed Tyrone's attacking play in the first half. They kicked the ball in numerous times to McShane and Brennan. Did it always work, no. But they certainly attacked. In the second half playing into a strong wind they changed their tactics for obvious reasons. You probably never seen Dublin playing 15 men, and I mean every single player was behind the ball, and hitting Tyrone on the counter, the exact seem way Tyrone played last year. Are you going to critique Dublin? Will Brolly? Highly doubtful. Dublin won because they played better on the night, simple as." Jesus your reply's are getting so repetitive it is boring. Ok so he decided to play some form of attacking football for one half of a match in the winter of 2018. Congratulations Mickey! And lets be honest, if Mickey does play a more open brand of football it will only be due to mounting pressure from people within his own county who are sick to death of the same horrible football year on year. As for Dublin packing their defence, I think I have been consistent in noting that all teams now play a massed defence/counter attacking game plan, but the difference between Tyrone and the other top teams is the fact that we will not commit to the risk of the counter attack and are severely limited by a system of fear. Yes Tyrone played some great attacking football in the first half on Saturday, but what happened when we went behind again? We sht the pants again and reverted to a system of fear. Wally (Tyrone)* - Posts: 912 - 05/02/2018 09:49:31 2074162 Link
tyrone have a few very fine young footballers, but they need to get rid of harte before he ruins them with his totally outdated way of playing football Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 05/02/2018 10:06:04 2074168 Link
Good win in a bog, as a Dublin supporter enjoyed that one witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 05/02/2018 11:00:01 2074195 Link
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-tyrone-will-continue-to-play-their-1131-formation-and-mickey-harte-is-to-blame-36564462.html Great article by Mr Brolly. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 05/02/2018 12:24:23 2074233 Link
Replying To Wally: "Jesus your reply's are getting so repetitive it is boring. Ok so he decided to play some form of attacking football for one half of a match in the winter of 2018. Congratulations Mickey! And lets be honest, if Mickey does play a more open brand of football it will only be due to mounting pressure from people within his own county who are sick to death of the same horrible football year on year. As for Dublin packing their defence, I think I have been consistent in noting that all teams now play a massed defence/counter attacking game plan, but the difference between Tyrone and the other top teams is the fact that we will not commit to the risk of the counter attack and are severely limited by a system of fear. Yes Tyrone played some great attacking football in the first half on Saturday, but what happened when we went behind again? We sht the pants again and reverted to a system of fear." Ha. My reply's are getting repetitive, don't make me laugh. When Tyrone get beat you first in sticking the knife in. So you agree all teams play defensive/counter football but Tyrone dont counter attack and play with fear? When the put up massive scores in the Ulster championship and quarter final they played with fear then and didn't counter attack? Dublin beat them last year because they were better. Same as Saturday night. They played some great attacking football in the first half as you agree. They changed tactics because they played against a strong wind in the second. I sense that you are already flip flopping again. Were you there on Saturday night? The_Fridge (Tyrone)* - Posts: 2088 - 05/02/2018 13:49:21 2074271 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Ha. My reply's are getting repetitive, don't make me laugh. When Tyrone get beat you first in sticking the knife in. So you agree all teams play defensive/counter football but Tyrone dont counter attack and play with fear? When the put up massive scores in the Ulster championship and quarter final they played with fear then and didn't counter attack? Dublin beat them last year because they were better. Same as Saturday night. They played some great attacking football in the first half as you agree. They changed tactics because they played against a strong wind in the second. I sense that you are already flip flopping again. Were you there on Saturday night?" Listen I think I have been fairly transparent with my posts. But you obviously are not getting it. Yes most teams play a counter attacking type of football. We also play a counter attacking type of football and it looks quite impressive when we are playing substandard opposition or if we somehow amount a significant lead in a game. If however we play one of the other top teams we revert to packing our defence and most of our players look like they will have a nose bleed if they run outside their own 45. Basically we become scared lambs whenever plan A does not work and Mickey seems to not want to back the current crop of players with playing instinctively or taking on their man. Guys like you will always bury your head in the sand but as far as I can see you are definitely becoming a minority in the county. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 05/02/2018 14:55:27 2074298 Link
Replying To Wally: "Listen I think I have been fairly transparent with my posts. But you obviously are not getting it. Yes most teams play a counter attacking type of football. We also play a counter attacking type of football and it looks quite impressive when we are playing substandard opposition or if we somehow amount a significant lead in a game. If however we play one of the other top teams we revert to packing our defence and most of our players look like they will have a nose bleed if they run outside their own 45. Basically we become scared lambs whenever plan A does not work and Mickey seems to not want to back the current crop of players with playing instinctively or taking on their man. Guys like you will always bury your head in the sand but as far as I can see you are definitely becoming a minority in the county." Fairly transparent? 2 years ago you were defending the style of Tyrones play when people were criticising it. You have jumped on the bandwagon of a small group of mouthpieces who love sticking the knife in at any opportunity. We were beat last year and on Saturday night by a team that has been unbeaten in 47 odd matches out of 48, widely regarded as the best team ever, it wouldn't of mattered if we played 15 on 15 or everyone back, we were beat by a far better. Saturday night we played plenty of long ball into a 2 Man full forward line and it worked. We had to change because the wind was so strong in the second half. So it looks like we are developing a game plan. You needed answer my question....were you there on Saturday night? The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 05/02/2018 15:54:19 2074334 Link
Tyrone are lucky Ulster football is currently very weak. This will allow them to make the quarter finals but they are a long way off the top teams. Dublin, Kerry and Mayo will put 5 - 10 points on them in big Championship games and the likes of Galway and Donegal are not far behind them. There is no guarantee Tyrone will survive in Div 1. As other years they have people all over the media and they market themselves well but in reality they are a very average team. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 05/02/2018 16:51:08 2074358 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Fairly transparent? 2 years ago you were defending the style of Tyrones play when people were criticising it. You have jumped on the bandwagon of a small group of mouthpieces who love sticking the knife in at any opportunity. We were beat last year and on Saturday night by a team that has been unbeaten in 47 odd matches out of 48, widely regarded as the best team ever, it wouldn't of mattered if we played 15 on 15 or everyone back, we were beat by a far better. Saturday night we played plenty of long ball into a 2 Man full forward line and it worked. We had to change because the wind was so strong in the second half. So it looks like we are developing a game plan. You needed answer my question....were you there on Saturday night?" You keep bringing up this comment I made a couple of years ago (which you totally took out of context) and use it like somehow it justifies your very weak argument. Try to come up with some new material will you. I have never ever actually supported Mickey Hartes approach to managing this current team. Ok so your excuse for surrendering our half time lead in our home ground and not scoring for 27min in the 2nd half is because Dublin are better than us?? Nothing to do with our tactics at all. This couldn't possibly be anything to do with our management approach? No way at all? Tell me this. What was the reason for scoring 3 points from play against Galway last week? What was the reason for failing to score a single point in the last 20min against Mayo a couple years ago in the all Ireland semi final? Your fundamentalist attitude to supporting Mickey Harte is actually scary? Have you ever visited North Korea? Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 05/02/2018 21:32:31 2074451 Link