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Replying To MesAmis: "Game was won in the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half. Brian Fenton was brilliant for Dublin as well as Brogan too.
I really enjoy watching Daniel Flynn play football. Kildare really need to get him on the ball as much as possible. Maybe he should have laid the ball off at one stage but it's hard to criticise a player of his ability backing himself." Agree, We're not utilising Flynn's skills by a long shot. Wake up Cian!
St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 27/01/2018 23:19:18
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Oh I give up with some of you Kildare lads. Hailing a lucky 7!point defeat to a team who have done next to no training ?
All hail the great Kildare. It's the 1920s again.
As for the rest of us we will return to the real world.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/01/2018 23:44:18
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Replying To St.Conleth: "Agree, We're not utilising Flynn's skills by a long shot. Wake up Cian!" I'd like to see Flynn and Brophy together and playing more high ball in. If a team knows you are going to run every ball they will just wait for the chance, bottle you up and turn you over. At least the high ball gives an option to mix it. Flynn is full of ability but needs to add vision to his game. He's a young lad and hopefully it's just a matter of time before he learns sometimes there's a player in a better position than him. Cracking finish for his goal though.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 27/01/2018 23:48:26
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Overall I thought tonight was an improvement for kildare and a step in the right direction . I didnt
dudnt belive the talk about kildares performance being good in leinster final. Truthfully that game was over after the first mins. I thought kildare had a chance tonight. But they needed 15 men to really put their shoulder to the wheel. They didnt. But what they did, which was much better then leinster final. They were ahead at half time and the better team in the first half. Its a long time since kildare were ahead of Dublin at half time and the better team in the first half. Actually its long time since any leinster team where ahead of Dublin at half time. This is an improvement.
Similar to Meath in 2013. Meath in 2013 where ahead at half time and the better team in the first half and the game was in the balance with 10 or 11 mins to go. But it must be said Dublin won in second gear in 2013 and tonight. What Meath needed to do was build on this result in 2014. They didnt and had their worst defeat v Dublin in 100 years in leinster in 2014. The Meath team was still in transition in 2014.
The fact is kildare and Meath are 3 to 4 years behind Dublin. And if you look at past times when Dublin were toppled it took 4 or 5 years team building and on their 4th or 5th attempt for Meath kildare or Offaly to defeat Dublin. Its been done by Boylan twice Dwyer twice McGee once and Paudi once . The victories follow a similar pattern. The first game your hammered ( Offaly 1977) , the second year you give a better all round performance but the gap is still big ( Offaly 1978, Meath 1983 1994, Kildare 92) . In the third year there is the heartbreak defeat where you come close but are just beaten by the Dubs ( Offaly 1979 Meath 1984 2007 Kildare 1993). Then at the 4th attempt in the 4th or 5th year Dublin are beaten ( Offaly 1980, Meath 1986 1996 2010, kildare 1998).
Kildare are now entering year their second year v Dublin. What they need to do in the leinster final this year v Dublin. They need to be ahead at half time and give a good go at Dublin in the second half. Stay in the game as long as possible. Similar to Meath v Dublin in 2012 2013. Next year there should be an improvement in performance v Dublin. And in 2020 2021 2022 when there is list of all time great Dublin retirements eg Brogan McMahon Flynn Connoly Cluxton. Dublin then could be possibily weaker. If kilkenny couldnt replace Henry Shefflin and Tommy Walsh. And kerry couldnt replace Gouch and Tomas O Se. Theres a chance Dublin might find it hard to replace the greatest goalkeeper of all time. They will be strong and All Ireland contenders. But might not be winning 3 or 4 in a row. But when you see them produce players like Con Callaghan who looks like a Dublin Jimmy Barry Murphy. The Dublin conveyor belt of talent looks ominously strong. They might not dip a little. But if they did 2020 2021 2022 should be the years Kildare and Meath peak. And thats the years I expect Meath and kildare to win leinster titles and Westmeath and louth who also young teams could make an impact in leinster and beyond.
I believe in the next few years leinster will be more competitive in the next few years I think it is possible. I know after tonight this sounds like a pipedream but there is a possiblity with these young leinster teams that in the next few years kildare ( already are) Meath louth and Westmeath could play div 1 football in the next 5 or 6 years at different stages. Kildare are already there. Meath have finished 3rd in div 2 last 4 years and must have a chance to go up this year but probaly next year. Louth are in div 2 already and under the great Pete Mcgrath I wouldnt be surprised to see louth reachind div 1. A young Westmeath team have reached 2 leinster finals. That is a good sign. Dublin have not had to face division 1 opposition in near 12 year in leinster. Playing in div 1 will improve teams.
The other key factor is manager. When Dublin were toppled in leinster it was the by two greatest manager ever in Dwyer and Boylan and in other brillant managers like Eugene McGee and Paudi.
So having an excellent manager is so important. I think McEntee could be. And O Neill looks impressive also. And if he left Glenn Ryan would be a great choice. He did a great job at longford. Kikdare have reached 3 All Ireland finals since the 30s. Ryan was involved in 2 of those finals. He was captain in 98 and under 21 manager when they reached a final in last few years. He has the golden touch for kildare. He could push them over the line.
But overall I believe there is a leinster title in Meath and kildare at the start of the next decade. I expect Meath to win if McEntee is giving time. But if this those happen it could be similar to 2010 with 1 leinster title and Dublin take control of the province from mid 20 and late 20s on. But you never know what will happen in the next ten years.
But I do believe to beat Dublin it will take years and progress every year. It can be done. But patience and time is needed.
Someone said a Dub above, said Kildare were the 2nd best team in leinster Westmeath were third. Of course a Dub is never going to praise Meath to much or big Meath up. The same way a Rangers supporter never praises a celtic or Barcelona praising Real Madrid or a Tipp man bigging up kilkenny. But i think it is not corect to have Westmeath ahead of Meath. Kildare are the second best . But I dont think the gap between Kildare and Meath is a big as people think or want it to be.
Meath are always downgraded and always underated. Even when we were winning All Irelands we were downgraded. Yes kildare won comfortably last year . But Meath defeated kildare comprehensively in 2012 and 2014 and I would have heard people saying kildare are better then Meath between 12 and 2014. Kildare finished 2nd in div 2 last year Meath finished 3rd. Kildare played Galway twice last year and they were defeated twice. Meath played twice in the last two year and Meath were undefeated twice v Galway. If the gap was so large between Meath and kildare. Surely kildare would beat a team Galway that Meath can. Kildare do always up their game v Meath . Even when Meath had the best team in the land in 50s 60s and 80s and kildare were in div 3 or 4. Kildare always threw the kitchen sink at Meath. Meath have alway found it hard to beat kildare.
Kildare have some talented players and are ahead of Meath in terms of development and confidence. They have underage sucess. Both teams have potential. I just dont think the gap is as much as people make it or want it to be. Meath will make little progress this year in my view. Its next year progress will be seen and in the 2020s the leinster tle will be won and maybe more sucess.
When you examine the facts to say Westmesth are better then Meath. One fact proves the exact opposite. Firstly I know Westmeath reached 2 leinstet finals and defeated Meath in 2015. In this decade Kildare have reached 1 leinster final, Westmeath have reached 2 leinster finals while Meath have reached 4 leinster finals. Westmesth have a young team and have potential also. I could see them pushing for a leinster title and more sucess in the coming years. Also can see louth also coming good too. But Meath in 2015 were 9 points up at half time and should have two more goals up. And the second collaspe that happened, that was a trait of so many O Dowd latter games. The second half collaspes were down to so many of our half back line Midfield and half foward line were all around 19 20 21 22 age bracket. Meaning they did not have physique or experience. Meath have played Westmesth 5 times in recent years in league championship and byrne cup. Meath won 4 of those games comfortably. The main reason why to say Westmesth are better then Meath is Westmeath were in div 4 in recent years and are in div 3 now. Meath are top div 2 team unlucky not to get promoted 3 times. How can a div 4 or div 3 team be better then top div 2 team. Would people say Wicklow Waterford or Sligo or better then Roscommon Cork or Down. Its makes no sense. But just a Meath bias.
But its not surprising for a Dub to be negative Meath. Its part and parcel of sporting rivalry. The Dubs can be divided into two camps when it comes to Meath. Meath v Dublin is one of gaa biggest rivalries. It is one sided at the moment. But it still is a rivalry. The supporters of 80s and 90s of Dublin have a soft spot for Meath. They hated them at the time. But they miss battles of old. However supporters of Dublin from 2000 really hate Meath more. You would think the Dubs of 80s and 90s would hate Meath more seen Meath in nearly 10 years Meath defeated Dublin 10 times and 3 draws in the championship. While the supporters of 2000 on have seen Dublin win ten times v Meath. Its the opposite. I think the supporters of old miss the battles of old. And are nostalgic for them. While the younger supporters look at Meath and dont see a rival as much and can understand how someone like me could say its not a question of Meath wulill best Dublin but a question of when Meath will beat in the coming years. I think they dont like that. While other leinster conties are mute. Meath always belive in standing up to Dublin. Thats why the younger fans hate us more. I suspose thats the natue of a rivalry.
My final reason why I think Meath will beat Dublin in the next few years is our undrage players. Who was the last team to beat Dublin at under age in leinster ? Meath . Who was the last team to hammer Dublin at underage in leinster ? Meath. The gap at underage has closed. In the first part of the decade at underage Dublin were wiping the floor with Meath . In the last few years Meath have defeated Dublun comprehensively in the new minor leinste final and defeated them comprehensivly in last years minor grade. And at half time this years minors were ripping Dublin to pieces with a 9 point lead. They collasped in the second half. But for some reason Colm Coyle teams having a habit of that. But overall the victories and performances v Dublin mean the gap has closened and Meath could be ahead. I believe when these young Meath players reach senior they will repeat those defeats over Dublin. When kildare defetad Meath and Roscommon defeated Gakway and Tipp defeated Cork at football it was continuation of sucesses of underage victories.
Overall I think the leinster championship will be more mpetitive in coming years. Hopefully it does even for Dublins sake. 35000 Meath supporters and 35000 Dublin supporters watching a strong Meath and Dublin teams go to battle is one ireland greatest sporting occasioms. The Dublin supporters since 2002 have never really felt the full force of Meath and Dublin rivalry
Its a pity. They are missing out. Just ask the older Dublin supporters what a occasion Meath v Dublin was back then. When first round game between Meath and Dublin would bring the country to a stand still.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 28/01/2018 00:02:35
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Any comment on tonight's game from the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir. No hope when those at the top are in denial & bury their head in the sand.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 28/01/2018 00:09:02
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Replying To royaldunne: "Oh I give up with some of you Kildare lads. Hailing a lucky 7!point defeat to a team who have done next to no training ?
All hail the great Kildare. It's the 1920s again.
As for the rest of us we will return to the real world." The real world that has Kildare in div 1 and Meath spending yet another year in div 2? The good thing is if your lads can do something right this year Meath will play Dublin before we do. We'll see then what your lads are made of. If you get closer than 7 I'll be the first one on here to congratulate you. I think I'm safe enough though. And I hope to God you are serious about that "giving up" thing!!!
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 28/01/2018 00:23:20
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Overall I thought tonight was an improvement for kildare and a step in the right direction . I didnt
dudnt belive the talk about kildares performance being good in leinster final. Truthfully that game was over after the first mins. I thought kildare had a chance tonight. But they needed 15 men to really put their shoulder to the wheel. They didnt. But what they did, which was much better then leinster final. They were ahead at half time and the better team in the first half. Its a long time since kildare were ahead of Dublin at half time and the better team in the first half. Actually its long time since any leinster team where ahead of Dublin at half time. This is an improvement.
Similar to Meath in 2013. Meath in 2013 where ahead at half time and the better team in the first half and the game was in the balance with 10 or 11 mins to go. But it must be said Dublin won in second gear in 2013 and tonight. What Meath needed to do was build on this result in 2014. They didnt and had their worst defeat v Dublin in 100 years in leinster in 2014. The Meath team was still in transition in 2014.
The fact is kildare and Meath are 3 to 4 years behind Dublin. And if you look at past times when Dublin were toppled it took 4 or 5 years team building and on their 4th or 5th attempt for Meath kildare or Offaly to defeat Dublin. Its been done by Boylan twice Dwyer twice McGee once and Paudi once . The victories follow a similar pattern. The first game your hammered ( Offaly 1977) , the second year you give a better all round performance but the gap is still big ( Offaly 1978, Meath 1983 1994, Kildare 92) . In the third year there is the heartbreak defeat where you come close but are just beaten by the Dubs ( Offaly 1979 Meath 1984 2007 Kildare 1993). Then at the 4th attempt in the 4th or 5th year Dublin are beaten ( Offaly 1980, Meath 1986 1996 2010, kildare 1998).
Kildare are now entering year their second year v Dublin. What they need to do in the leinster final this year v Dublin. They need to be ahead at half time and give a good go at Dublin in the second half. Stay in the game as long as possible. Similar to Meath v Dublin in 2012 2013. Next year there should be an improvement in performance v Dublin. And in 2020 2021 2022 when there is list of all time great Dublin retirements eg Brogan McMahon Flynn Connoly Cluxton. Dublin then could be possibily weaker. If kilkenny couldnt replace Henry Shefflin and Tommy Walsh. And kerry couldnt replace Gouch and Tomas O Se. Theres a chance Dublin might find it hard to replace the greatest goalkeeper of all time. They will be strong and All Ireland contenders. But might not be winning 3 or 4 in a row. But when you see them produce players like Con Callaghan who looks like a Dublin Jimmy Barry Murphy. The Dublin conveyor belt of talent looks ominously strong. They might not dip a little. But if they did 2020 2021 2022 should be the years Kildare and Meath peak. And thats the years I expect Meath and kildare to win leinster titles and Westmeath and louth who also young teams could make an impact in leinster and beyond.
I believe in the next few years leinster will be more competitive in the next few years I think it is possible. I know after tonight this sounds like a pipedream but there is a possiblity with these young leinster teams that in the next few years kildare ( already are) Meath louth and Westmeath could play div 1 football in the next 5 or 6 years at different stages. Kildare are already there. Meath have finished 3rd in div 2 last 4 years and must have a chance to go up this year but probaly next year. Louth are in div 2 already and under the great Pete Mcgrath I wouldnt be surprised to see louth reachind div 1. A young Westmeath team have reached 2 leinster finals. That is a good sign. Dublin have not had to face division 1 opposition in near 12 year in leinster. Playing in div 1 will improve teams.
The other key factor is manager. When Dublin were toppled in leinster it was the by two greatest manager ever in Dwyer and Boylan and in other brillant managers like Eugene McGee and Paudi.
So having an excellent manager is so important. I think McEntee could be. And O Neill looks impressive also. And if he left Glenn Ryan would be a great choice. He did a great job at longford. Kikdare have reached 3 All Ireland finals since the 30s. Ryan was involved in 2 of those finals. He was captain in 98 and under 21 manager when they reached a final in last few years. He has the golden touch for kildare. He could push them over the line.
But overall I believe there is a leinster title in Meath and kildare at the start of the next decade. I expect Meath to win if McEntee is giving time. But if this those happen it could be similar to 2010 with 1 leinster title and Dublin take control of the province from mid 20 and late 20s on. But you never know what will happen in the next ten years.
But I do believe to beat Dublin it will take years and progress every year. It can be done. But patience and time is needed.
Someone said a Dub above, said Kildare were the 2nd best team in leinster Westmeath were third. Of course a Dub is never going to praise Meath to much or big Meath up. The same way a Rangers supporter never praises a celtic or Barcelona praising Real Madrid or a Tipp man bigging up kilkenny. But i think it is not corect to have Westmeath ahead of Meath. Kildare are the second best . But I dont think the gap between Kildare and Meath is a big as people think or want it to be.
Meath are always downgraded and always underated. Even when we were winning All Irelands we were downgraded. Yes kildare won comfortably last year . But Meath defeated kildare comprehensively in 2012 and 2014 and I would have heard people saying kildare are better then Meath between 12 and 2014. Kildare finished 2nd in div 2 last year Meath finished 3rd. Kildare played Galway twice last year and they were defeated twice. Meath played twice in the last two year and Meath were undefeated twice v Galway. If the gap was so large between Meath and kildare. Surely kildare would beat a team Galway that Meath can. Kildare do always up their game v Meath . Even when Meath had the best team in the land in 50s 60s and 80s and kildare were in div 3 or 4. Kildare always threw the kitchen sink at Meath. Meath have alway found it hard to beat kildare.
Kildare have some talented players and are ahead of Meath in terms of development and confidence. They have underage sucess. Both teams have potential. I just dont think the gap is as much as people make it or want it to be. Meath will make little progress this year in my view. Its next year progress will be seen and in the 2020s the leinster tle will be won and maybe more sucess.
When you examine the facts to say Westmesth are better then Meath. One fact proves the exact opposite. Firstly I know Westmeath reached 2 leinstet finals and defeated Meath in 2015. In this decade Kildare have reached 1 leinster final, Westmeath have reached 2 leinster finals while Meath have reached 4 leinster finals. Westmesth have a young team and have potential also. I could see them pushing for a leinster title and more sucess in the coming years. Also can see louth also coming good too. But Meath in 2015 were 9 points up at half time and should have two more goals up. And the second collaspe that happened, that was a trait of so many O Dowd latter games. The second half collaspes were down to so many of our half back line Midfield and half foward line were all around 19 20 21 22 age bracket. Meaning they did not have physique or experience. Meath have played Westmesth 5 times in recent years in league championship and byrne cup. Meath won 4 of those games comfortably. The main reason why to say Westmesth are better then Meath is Westmeath were in div 4 in recent years and are in div 3 now. Meath are top div 2 team unlucky not to get promoted 3 times. How can a div 4 or div 3 team be better then top div 2 team. Would people say Wicklow Waterford or Sligo or better then Roscommon Cork or Down. Its makes no sense. But just a Meath bias.
But its not surprising for a Dub to be negative Meath. Its part and parcel of sporting rivalry. The Dubs can be divided into two camps when it comes to Meath. Meath v Dublin is one of gaa biggest rivalries. It is one sided at the moment. But it still is a rivalry. The supporters of 80s and 90s of Dublin have a soft spot for Meath. They hated them at the time. But they miss battles of old. However supporters of Dublin from 2000 really hate Meath more. You would think the Dubs of 80s and 90s would hate Meath more seen Meath in nearly 10 years Meath defeated Dublin 10 times and 3 draws in the championship. While the supporters of 2000 on have seen Dublin win ten times v Meath. Its the opposite. I think the supporters of old miss the battles of old. And are nostalgic for them. While the younger supporters look at Meath and dont see a rival as much and can understand how someone like me could say its not a question of Meath wulill best Dublin but a question of when Meath will beat in the coming years. I think they dont like that. While other leinster conties are mute. Meath always belive in standing up to Dublin. Thats why the younger fans hate us more. I suspose thats the natue of a rivalry.
My final reason why I think Meath will beat Dublin in the next few years is our undrage players. Who was the last team to beat Dublin at under age in leinster ? Meath . Who was the last team to hammer Dublin at underage in leinster ? Meath. The gap at underage has closed. In the first part of the decade at underage Dublin were wiping the floor with Meath . In the last few years Meath have defeated Dublun comprehensively in the new minor leinste final and defeated them comprehensivly in last years minor grade. And at half time this years minors were ripping Dublin to pieces with a 9 point lead. They collasped in the second half. But for some reason Colm Coyle teams having a habit of that. But overall the victories and performances v Dublin mean the gap has closened and Meath could be ahead. I believe when these young Meath players reach senior they will repeat those defeats over Dublin. When kildare defetad Meath and Roscommon defeated Gakway and Tipp defeated Cork at football it was continuation of sucesses of underage victories.
Overall I think the leinster championship will be more mpetitive in coming years. Hopefully it does even for Dublins sake. 35000 Meath supporters and 35000 Dublin supporters watching a strong Meath and Dublin teams go to battle is one ireland greatest sporting occasioms. The Dublin supporters since 2002 have never really felt the full force of Meath and Dublin rivalry
Its a pity. They are missing out. Just ask the older Dublin supporters what a occasion Meath v Dublin was back then. When first round game between Meath and Dublin would bring the country to a stand still." Sorry could you repeat that please:D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 28/01/2018 03:45:17
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All hail the great Kildare. It's the 1920s again.
As for the rest of us we will return to the real world." You certainly don't live in the real world RD ... Don't be bitter about Kildare at the fact Meath are now the 3rd best team in Leinster and would come within 5 points off them ... Anyway back to the game I taught the first half was a good tight affair but being honest it was over within 10 minutes in the second half ... I still think Kildare will take a bit of beating at home some lovely players and the goal at the end was one of the best iv seen in a while
hawkeye1 (Dublin) - Posts: 13 - 28/01/2018 07:53:17
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Overall I thought tonight was an improvement for kildare and a step in the right direction . I didnt
dudnt belive the talk about kildares performance being good in leinster final. Truthfully that game was over after the first mins. I thought kildare had a chance tonight. But they needed 15 men to really put their shoulder to the wheel. They didnt. But what they did, which was much better then leinster final. They were ahead at half time and the better team in the first half. Its a long time since kildare were ahead of Dublin at half time and the better team in the first half. Actually its long time since any leinster team where ahead of Dublin at half time. This is an improvement.
Similar to Meath in 2013. Meath in 2013 where ahead at half time and the better team in the first half and the game was in the balance with 10 or 11 mins to go. But it must be said Dublin won in second gear in 2013 and tonight. What Meath needed to do was build on this result in 2014. They didnt and had their worst defeat v Dublin in 100 years in leinster in 2014. The Meath team was still in transition in 2014.
The fact is kildare and Meath are 3 to 4 years behind Dublin. And if you look at past times when Dublin were toppled it took 4 or 5 years team building and on their 4th or 5th attempt for Meath kildare or Offaly to defeat Dublin. Its been done by Boylan twice Dwyer twice McGee once and Paudi once . The victories follow a similar pattern. The first game your hammered ( Offaly 1977) , the second year you give a better all round performance but the gap is still big ( Offaly 1978, Meath 1983 1994, Kildare 92) . In the third year there is the heartbreak defeat where you come close but are just beaten by the Dubs ( Offaly 1979 Meath 1984 2007 Kildare 1993). Then at the 4th attempt in the 4th or 5th year Dublin are beaten ( Offaly 1980, Meath 1986 1996 2010, kildare 1998).
Kildare are now entering year their second year v Dublin. What they need to do in the leinster final this year v Dublin. They need to be ahead at half time and give a good go at Dublin in the second half. Stay in the game as long as possible. Similar to Meath v Dublin in 2012 2013. Next year there should be an improvement in performance v Dublin. And in 2020 2021 2022 when there is list of all time great Dublin retirements eg Brogan McMahon Flynn Connoly Cluxton. Dublin then could be possibily weaker. If kilkenny couldnt replace Henry Shefflin and Tommy Walsh. And kerry couldnt replace Gouch and Tomas O Se. Theres a chance Dublin might find it hard to replace the greatest goalkeeper of all time. They will be strong and All Ireland contenders. But might not be winning 3 or 4 in a row. But when you see them produce players like Con Callaghan who looks like a Dublin Jimmy Barry Murphy. The Dublin conveyor belt of talent looks ominously strong. They might not dip a little. But if they did 2020 2021 2022 should be the years Kildare and Meath peak. And thats the years I expect Meath and kildare to win leinster titles and Westmeath and louth who also young teams could make an impact in leinster and beyond.
I believe in the next few years leinster will be more competitive in the next few years I think it is possible. I know after tonight this sounds like a pipedream but there is a possiblity with these young leinster teams that in the next few years kildare ( already are) Meath louth and Westmeath could play div 1 football in the next 5 or 6 years at different stages. Kildare are already there. Meath have finished 3rd in div 2 last 4 years and must have a chance to go up this year but probaly next year. Louth are in div 2 already and under the great Pete Mcgrath I wouldnt be surprised to see louth reachind div 1. A young Westmeath team have reached 2 leinster finals. That is a good sign. Dublin have not had to face division 1 opposition in near 12 year in leinster. Playing in div 1 will improve teams.
The other key factor is manager. When Dublin were toppled in leinster it was the by two greatest manager ever in Dwyer and Boylan and in other brillant managers like Eugene McGee and Paudi.
So having an excellent manager is so important. I think McEntee could be. And O Neill looks impressive also. And if he left Glenn Ryan would be a great choice. He did a great job at longford. Kikdare have reached 3 All Ireland finals since the 30s. Ryan was involved in 2 of those finals. He was captain in 98 and under 21 manager when they reached a final in last few years. He has the golden touch for kildare. He could push them over the line.
But overall I believe there is a leinster title in Meath and kildare at the start of the next decade. I expect Meath to win if McEntee is giving time. But if this those happen it could be similar to 2010 with 1 leinster title and Dublin take control of the province from mid 20 and late 20s on. But you never know what will happen in the next ten years.
But I do believe to beat Dublin it will take years and progress every year. It can be done. But patience and time is needed.
Someone said a Dub above, said Kildare were the 2nd best team in leinster Westmeath were third. Of course a Dub is never going to praise Meath to much or big Meath up. The same way a Rangers supporter never praises a celtic or Barcelona praising Real Madrid or a Tipp man bigging up kilkenny. But i think it is not corect to have Westmeath ahead of Meath. Kildare are the second best . But I dont think the gap between Kildare and Meath is a big as people think or want it to be.
Meath are always downgraded and always underated. Even when we were winning All Irelands we were downgraded. Yes kildare won comfortably last year . But Meath defeated kildare comprehensively in 2012 and 2014 and I would have heard people saying kildare are better then Meath between 12 and 2014. Kildare finished 2nd in div 2 last year Meath finished 3rd. Kildare played Galway twice last year and they were defeated twice. Meath played twice in the last two year and Meath were undefeated twice v Galway. If the gap was so large between Meath and kildare. Surely kildare would beat a team Galway that Meath can. Kildare do always up their game v Meath . Even when Meath had the best team in the land in 50s 60s and 80s and kildare were in div 3 or 4. Kildare always threw the kitchen sink at Meath. Meath have alway found it hard to beat kildare.
Kildare have some talented players and are ahead of Meath in terms of development and confidence. They have underage sucess. Both teams have potential. I just dont think the gap is as much as people make it or want it to be. Meath will make little progress this year in my view. Its next year progress will be seen and in the 2020s the leinster tle will be won and maybe more sucess.
When you examine the facts to say Westmesth are better then Meath. One fact proves the exact opposite. Firstly I know Westmeath reached 2 leinstet finals and defeated Meath in 2015. In this decade Kildare have reached 1 leinster final, Westmeath have reached 2 leinster finals while Meath have reached 4 leinster finals. Westmesth have a young team and have potential also. I could see them pushing for a leinster title and more sucess in the coming years. Also can see louth also coming good too. But Meath in 2015 were 9 points up at half time and should have two more goals up. And the second collaspe that happened, that was a trait of so many O Dowd latter games. The second half collaspes were down to so many of our half back line Midfield and half foward line were all around 19 20 21 22 age bracket. Meaning they did not have physique or experience. Meath have played Westmesth 5 times in recent years in league championship and byrne cup. Meath won 4 of those games comfortably. The main reason why to say Westmesth are better then Meath is Westmeath were in div 4 in recent years and are in div 3 now. Meath are top div 2 team unlucky not to get promoted 3 times. How can a div 4 or div 3 team be better then top div 2 team. Would people say Wicklow Waterford or Sligo or better then Roscommon Cork or Down. Its makes no sense. But just a Meath bias.
But its not surprising for a Dub to be negative Meath. Its part and parcel of sporting rivalry. The Dubs can be divided into two camps when it comes to Meath. Meath v Dublin is one of gaa biggest rivalries. It is one sided at the moment. But it still is a rivalry. The supporters of 80s and 90s of Dublin have a soft spot for Meath. They hated them at the time. But they miss battles of old. However supporters of Dublin from 2000 really hate Meath more. You would think the Dubs of 80s and 90s would hate Meath more seen Meath in nearly 10 years Meath defeated Dublin 10 times and 3 draws in the championship. While the supporters of 2000 on have seen Dublin win ten times v Meath. Its the opposite. I think the supporters of old miss the battles of old. And are nostalgic for them. While the younger supporters look at Meath and dont see a rival as much and can understand how someone like me could say its not a question of Meath wulill best Dublin but a question of when Meath will beat in the coming years. I think they dont like that. While other leinster conties are mute. Meath always belive in standing up to Dublin. Thats why the younger fans hate us more. I suspose thats the natue of a rivalry.
My final reason why I think Meath will beat Dublin in the next few years is our undrage players. Who was the last team to beat Dublin at under age in leinster ? Meath . Who was the last team to hammer Dublin at underage in leinster ? Meath. The gap at underage has closed. In the first part of the decade at underage Dublin were wiping the floor with Meath . In the last few years Meath have defeated Dublun comprehensively in the new minor leinste final and defeated them comprehensivly in last years minor grade. And at half time this years minors were ripping Dublin to pieces with a 9 point lead. They collasped in the second half. But for some reason Colm Coyle teams having a habit of that. But overall the victories and performances v Dublin mean the gap has closened and Meath could be ahead. I believe when these young Meath players reach senior they will repeat those defeats over Dublin. When kildare defetad Meath and Roscommon defeated Gakway and Tipp defeated Cork at football it was continuation of sucesses of underage victories.
Overall I think the leinster championship will be more mpetitive in coming years. Hopefully it does even for Dublins sake. 35000 Meath supporters and 35000 Dublin supporters watching a strong Meath and Dublin teams go to battle is one ireland greatest sporting occasioms. The Dublin supporters since 2002 have never really felt the full force of Meath and Dublin rivalry
Its a pity. They are missing out. Just ask the older Dublin supporters what a occasion Meath v Dublin was back then. When first round game between Meath and Dublin would bring the country to a stand still." Hey Furlong, is your name derived from the length of your posts ? ;-)
Kildare are second best team in leinster at the moment for me but Meath have a long way to go to get back to the level required to be anything like competitive with the top teams.
McEntee is a good manager no doubt about that but it remains to be seen what impact he can have with the current crop he has to work with.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/01/2018 08:27:40
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Kildare decent enough in the 1st half could have been ahead by more..flynn lambasting goal chances over the bar .he did the same thing in the leinster final..can he not strike the ball low and hard no..was impressed with dublin 2nd half' with fenton and howard aswell who i thought had a good game at no 10.good consolation goal by kildare..but if thats dublin only back from the holiers ' good love yis in the summer.might have been 7 points this time but kildare hav'nt improved in my eyes.still kicking the ball wide too much and decision making when in on goal isnt up to scratch..
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Dublin played excellent football just after half time, won them the game. First half they were rusty as expected but it didn't take them long to get into their stride.
Kildare played well in first half but faded in the second. Positives to take into their next games which include 4 home games which will be vital for their final position.
Now we have to talk about Jonny Cooper. He is getting a bad name for himself as Horan eluded too. He clearly dived after a small push in the back. He feigned injury to try to get another player sent off. I remember a certain Tyrone player getting hells abuse for diving (which looked a lot worse but Cooper was trying the same thing, just smarter in trying to do so).
Cooper dived to try to get McManus sent off last year.
Cooper also hit the deck after instigating a row with Mark Bradley. (Who was sent off).
It's becoming a theme and he needs to cut it out.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/01/2018 09:31:34
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Dublin played excellent football just after half time, won them the game. First half they were rusty as expected but it didn't take them long to get into their stride.
Kildare played well in first half but faded in the second. Positives to take into their next games which include 4 home games which will be vital for their final position.
Now we have to talk about Jonny Cooper. He is getting a bad name for himself as Horan eluded too. He clearly dived after a small push in the back. He feigned injury to try to get another player sent off. I remember a certain Tyrone player getting hells abuse for diving (which looked a lot worse but Cooper was trying the same thing, just smarter in trying to do so).
Cooper dived to try to get McManus sent off last year.
Cooper also hit the deck after instigating a row with Mark Bradley. (Who was sent off).
It's becoming a theme and he needs to cut it out." Hard to disagree with you on this one Cooper gets involved in to much niggly stuff for my liking me
Needs to cut it out
jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 28/01/2018 10:28:12
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Dublin played excellent football just after half time, won them the game. First half they were rusty as expected but it didn't take them long to get into their stride.
Kildare played well in first half but faded in the second. Positives to take into their next games which include 4 home games which will be vital for their final position.
Now we have to talk about Jonny Cooper. He is getting a bad name for himself as Horan eluded too. He clearly dived after a small push in the back. He feigned injury to try to get another player sent off. I remember a certain Tyrone player getting hells abuse for diving (which looked a lot worse but Cooper was trying the same thing, just smarter in trying to do so).
Cooper dived to try to get McManus sent off last year.
Cooper also hit the deck after instigating a row with Mark Bradley. (Who was sent off).
It's becoming a theme and he needs to cut it out." Yeah he's a good player our Johnny :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 28/01/2018 11:29:42
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Dublin played excellent football just after half time, won them the game. First half they were rusty as expected but it didn't take them long to get into their stride.
Kildare played well in first half but faded in the second. Positives to take into their next games which include 4 home games which will be vital for their final position.
Now we have to talk about Jonny Cooper. He is getting a bad name for himself as Horan eluded too. He clearly dived after a small push in the back. He feigned injury to try to get another player sent off. I remember a certain Tyrone player getting hells abuse for diving (which looked a lot worse but Cooper was trying the same thing, just smarter in trying to do so).
Cooper dived to try to get McManus sent off last year.
Cooper also hit the deck after instigating a row with Mark Bradley. (Who was sent off).
It's becoming a theme and he needs to cut it out." Yeah he's a good player our Johnny :D
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Replying To realdub: "Yeah he's a good player our Johnny :D" Great player. What's your thoughts on the diving and getting in peoples faces to get a reaction? ;)
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/01/2018 12:43:51
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Great player. What's your thoughts on the diving and getting in peoples faces to get a reaction? ;)" Don't like it but Jesus all teams have them, except the great Tyrone side :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 28/01/2018 12:50:00
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Great player. What's your thoughts on the diving and getting in peoples faces to get a reaction? ;)" Fair enough, great player it is then.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/01/2018 13:38:09
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Is the tradition of the opponents forming a welcome for the AI champions in the league opener done away with long ?
Not that it makes a blind bit of difference but thought it was still done.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/01/2018 13:45:43
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Thought Kildare did very well organising themselves on our kick out, it worked!!
Dubs sloppy in 1st half but credit also has to go to Kildare who were getting men behind the ball and tackling hard to create Dub errors
You could see it from the 2nd hall throw in that Dublin switched on another level and blew Kildare off the park with some top drawer football and team moves
All in all a good opening game for both teams and I was happy to see Basquel and Howard doing well - Basquel is lethal and an outcand out finisher of quality.
Bernard showed that he's still one of the best around as did Fenton.
Plenty to work on. Onwards and Upwards
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/01/2018 13:58:47
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Sorry lads I must have missed the match Meath were playing last night.
Desperate for attention some of ye are, keep it up.
Dan Flynn.... if I came home one night and found him in bed with Mrs if_in_doubt I'd ask him how he wants his eggs in the morning and let him have at it.
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 28/01/2018 14:20:34
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