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Just saw Declan Bogues tweet from last night. Croke Park have sent a letter to every county board asking if they want to take part in a tribute dinner to Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh. It's five grand for a table and all proceeds go to the Kerry sports academy in Tralee. Effectively the GAA want the rest of the country to pay for Kerry's development of their players. If you attend you're helping Kerry out, if you don't your considered to be dissing a legend.
On a side note why is croke park encouraging county boards to do this? Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh, while considered to be a figure of folklore among GAA patrons up and down the country for his in depth coverage and excellent articulation of games was an employee of RTE. As far as I am aware he was never an employee of Croke Park, surely it should be RTE encouraging those to buy these tables.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/01/2018 13:13:10
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The hypocrisy of this was the GAA's criticism of Cooper after his testimonial/fundraiser.
I take the point though.
It would probably good to clarify who benefits from the center in Tralee, the students, local community in Kerry/Munster or Kerry GAA. This and the center of excellence look some facilities. Its great to see.
An awful lot of GAA and state funding has already been given to both projects about 9 million conservatively.
We have some Gym equipment gathering cobwebs if our country cousins want to come some arrangement.:D
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/01/2018 13:38:22
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Replying To gotmilk: "Just saw Declan Bogues tweet from last night. Croke Park have sent a letter to every county board asking if they want to take part in a tribute dinner to Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh. It's five grand for a table and all proceeds go to the Kerry sports academy in Tralee. Effectively the GAA want the rest of the country to pay for Kerry's development of their players. If you attend you're helping Kerry out, if you don't your considered to be dissing a legend.
On a side note why is croke park encouraging county boards to do this? Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh, while considered to be a figure of folklore among GAA patrons up and down the country for his in depth coverage and excellent articulation of games was an employee of RTE. As far as I am aware he was never an employee of Croke Park, surely it should be RTE encouraging those to buy these tables." To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ...
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 17/01/2018 13:45:42
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." To use a northern statement your post is the perfect example of whataboutery.
I'm not advocating tax payers paying for the Dublin gym equipment effectively but rather than bringing that up as it's been done to death on here, I've decided to focus on something that's just been announced.
So well done on not actually addressing the issue but instead focussing on a different topic completely.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/01/2018 13:51:55
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Replying To gotmilk: " Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." To use a northern statement your post is the perfect example of whataboutery. I'm not advocating tax payers paying for the Dublin gym equipment effectively but rather than bringing that up as it's been done to death on here, I've decided to focus on something that's just been announced. So well done on not actually addressing the issue but instead focussing on a different topic completely."
If your rival GAA club was packing the bags at the local Tesco for a bit of fundraising would you be on here?!
Because that is essentially what this boils down to, a fundraising event that no one is under any obligation to support if they don't want to.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 17/01/2018 14:05:36
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." What are your thoughts on the €7,500,000 awarded to IT Tralee for the same academy that Kerry GAA are developing and contributing to?
The facilities in DCU are open to all elite level athletes studying in the college and have close links with Sport Ireland and the Institute of Sport in Abbotsown (ie it's not just DCU students that use them and certainly not just Dublin GAA), all sports scholarship students also get to use these same facilities.
Considering IT Tralee received significant funding in last years sports capital grants (the only "other sports capital allocation" made in 2017), I'm sure you'll either retract your statement above about Kerry not receiving bucket loads in handouts from the sports council or you'll be just as upset that my taxes are funding a sports academy to benefit Kerry GAA as you were over your own taxes funding one that benefited Dublin.
That's €7,500,000 on top of the €1,000,000 provided by both the GAA itself and the Munster Council. Hawkfield cost the Kildare board just under €4,000,000 as far as I'm aware and the Garvaghey Centre cost Tyrone close to £7,000,000 so it'll be interesting to see how impressive the facilities in IT Tralee are once it's complete.
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 17/01/2018 14:10:09
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Replying To gotmilk: " Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." To use a northern statement your post is the perfect example of whataboutery. I'm not advocating tax payers paying for the Dublin gym equipment effectively but rather than bringing that up as it's been done to death on here, I've decided to focus on something that's just been announced. So well done on not actually addressing the issue but instead focussing on a different topic completely."
I can't see the problem here from what I've read above there is nobody holding a gun to anyone's head, if you have 5 grand and you want to go then go and if you want to go then don't go.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/01/2018 14:13:56
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I do not see any problem in trying to raise funds for a centre of excellence and if CP helps with the advertisement so be it-good. Most clubs raise funds outside their own club and counties do the same and use whatever means. Kerry have always been to the forefront! -raising funds, Bendix washing machines comes to mind and they are in front when it comes to Sam.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 17/01/2018 14:15:01
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Not sure what any of this has to with Dublin, a bit miffed by the strength of that reaction.
Just dont point though you are wrong on the grants given here:
The Central council and Munster council gave the facility one million each for the COE = 2million
Sponsorship: Kerry Group = 1million
Sports Council = 7 million to facility in Tralee.
I dont particularly have a problem with any of that, but the poor mouth narrative that often comes from Kerry is not really reflective of reality especially in comparison to other counties and what they get. You dont really have any financial adversity or anything to do without.
I acknowledge we dont really have significant issues in funding in Dublin either and its not about that, though it would take us a good number of years to accumulate the above in games development grants.
The victim narrative isnt really fitting when it comes to Kerry in my opinion, you get as much funding then anyone and better then almost everyone.
I can understand based on the above why another poster may have raised this as an issue.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/01/2018 14:20:06
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Not sure what any of this has to with Dublin, a bit miffed by the strength of that reaction.
Just dont point though you are wrong on the grants given here:
The Central council and Munster council gave the facility one million each for the COE = 2million
Sponsorship: Kerry Group = 1million
Sports Council = 7 million grant to the facility in Tralee.
I dont particularly have a problem with any of that, but the poor mouth narrative that often comes from Kerry is not really reflective of reality especially in comparison to other counties and what they get. You dont really have any financial adversity or anything to do without.
I acknowledge we dont really have significant issues in funding in Dublin either and its not about that, though it would take us a good number of years to accumulate the above in games development grants.
The victim narrative isnt really fitting when it comes to Kerry in my opinion, you get as much funding then anyone and better then almost everyone.
I can understand based on the above why another poster may have raised this as an issue.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/01/2018 14:20:23
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Not sure what any of this has to with Dublin, a bit miffed by the strength of that reaction.
Just dont point though you are wrong on the grants given here:
The Central council and Munster council gave the facility one million each for the COE = 2million
Sponsorship: Kerry Group = 1million
Sports Council = 7 million grant to the facility in Tralee.
I dont particularly have a problem with any of that, but the poor mouth narrative that often comes from Kerry is not really reflective of reality especially in comparison to other counties and what they get. You dont really have any financial adversity or anything to do without.
I acknowledge we dont really have significant issues in funding in Dublin either and its not about that, though it would take us a good number of years to accumulate the above in games development grants.
The victim narrative isnt really fitting when it comes to Kerry in my opinion, you get as much funding as anyone and better then almost everyone.
I can understand based on the above why another poster may have raised this as an issue.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/01/2018 14:20:50
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Replying To TheHermit: " Replying To gotmilk: "[quote=TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." To use a northern statement your post is the perfect example of whataboutery. I'm not advocating tax payers paying for the Dublin gym equipment effectively but rather than bringing that up as it's been done to death on here, I've decided to focus on something that's just been announced. So well done on not actually addressing the issue but instead focussing on a different topic completely."
If your rival GAA club was packing the bags at the local Tesco for a bit of fundraising would you be on here?!
Because that is essentially what this boils down to, a fundraising event that no one is under any obligation to support if they don't want to."]But it's not quite the same is it? You throw a fiver into the bucket for your rival club, not five grand and you aren't being encouraged by Croke park to donate to the bucket. Do you honestly think a county board is going to not buy a table for 5 grand after getting the letter from HQ? On the off chance that some county boards don't buy a table how do you think it will be viewed?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 17/01/2018 14:21:34
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Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Poor aul Kerry
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 17/01/2018 14:27:00
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Replying To Breffni39: " Replying To TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Poor aul Kerry"
No county has had as many obstacles thrown their way as the men from the Kingdom.
I don't what it is that admire most about them.
Is it the fact that they've been so successful battling these apparently insurmountable odds or the fact that they're so stoic, barely mentioning their Herculean efforts?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 17/01/2018 14:47:51
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Look Gotmilk I don't know why Croke Park are pushing it, but the point stands it is an optional event and I doubt very much that any County Board hard pressed for money up your side or the country will feel themselves obliged to go.
Yes I'm aware the IT Tralee's Sports Facility has gotten State aid, (I'm glad the Kildare poster above has acknowledged it was for the IT's Sports Academy as before Christmas he was on another discussion claiming it was the Kerry GAA that got this money). But that doesn't pay for everything and Kerry, like every other county bar Dublin, has to put in huge efforts with fund-raising to cover the balance between what it can get from Croke Park and the final cost of projects.
The Dublin example is perfectly valid, a state of the art sports campus was given to the Dublin GAA to use for several years now, at no cost to them. Even though they are the one county which could fund such things out of their own, very deep, pockets.
Username thinks this is a "poor Kerry the victim argument", to be honest he probably isn't the only one and that is what is concerning me most.
For me the biggest issue facing the inter-county scene is that one county has been funded out of all proportion at the expense for the others 31 for over a decade now. Dublin people and their admires can dance around this all they want but it is an irrefutable fact.
Yet the coverage of this is sporadic at best, and even on here it doesn't seem to be discussed too often anymore. This is an issue that should be flung at the GAA every time they hold a public function, but instead it is left slide off the table and people who question it are told they are playing the poor mouth.
The inter-county scene is going to become a wasteland, and is already following what we see in actual professional sports where money is all that matters to win.
But hey, lets all get annoyed about a dinner celebrating the contribution to the GAA MOM has made, give me strength...
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 17/01/2018 15:06:00
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The reaction from Kerry folk on here is hilarious. Sure bring up every other random issue at the moment and forget about the topic in hand!
There are two issues here and none of them are to do with the fund raiser itself.
Fair play to the Kerry county board for organising this for one of their natives and a legend within the GAA and its understandable that the proceeds would go to centre of excellence for the betterment of Kerry GAA.
The issue here is why Croke Park have got directly involved in promoting this and why are they issuing invitations? I have never seen this done before. As stated previously Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh worked for RTE and not for Croke Park.
There was plenty of fund raising events for our centre of excellence in Garvaghy and I cant remember Croke Park getting involved and asking for donations from other county boards.
Very strange indeed.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 17/01/2018 15:34:37
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Replying To MesAmis: " Replying To Breffni39: "[quote=TheHermit: "To take one prominent example, DCU's sports academy was kitted out at mine and other tax payers expense for the benefit of Dublin GAA inter-county teams.
Unlike Dublin, Kerry is not receiving bucket loads of handouts from Croke Park, the Irish Sports Council or 10-20 major sponsors every year.
We have to fundraise to build our facilities, like our new centre of excellence or this sports academy in the IT in Tralee.
So really I can't understand the issue with coming across an optional invite to a dinner of a legendary figure in the GAA to benefit a project in his native county!!
If you paid taxes in the Republic (I'm unsure if you do or not as I see you are from Fermanagh), you would have funded a sports academy to benefit the Dublin GAA. But your concerned about seeing an advertisement giving you the option of supporting something for another county or not?
Regardless, let's just cue up the usual Kerry bashing ..." Poor aul Kerry"
No county has had as many obstacles thrown their way as the men from the Kingdom.
I don't what it is that admire most about them.
Is it the fact that they've been so successful battling these apparently insurmountable odds or the fact that they're so stoic, barely mentioning their Herculean efforts?"]I hear Mel Gibson has bought the rights to the movie franchise
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 17/01/2018 15:38:30
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Yes I'm aware the IT Tralee's Sports Facility has gotten State aid, (I'm glad the Kildare poster above has acknowledged it was for the IT's Sports Academy as before Christmas he was on another discussion claiming it was the Kerry GAA that got this money). But that doesn't pay for everything and Kerry, like every other county bar Dublin, has to put in huge efforts with fund-raising to cover the balance between what it can get from Croke Park and the final cost of projects.
TheHermit (Kerry) - 17/01/2018
I don't believe I said Kerry GAA were receiving the funds directly themselves but lets not let that get in the way of things.
Dublin benefit from the facilities in DCU, the same way some of our Olympic athletes do, the same way some of our national teams / athletes do and the same way students in DCU do. Maybe international teams and athletes will get to use the facilities in IT Tralee as well.
So you're ok with IT Tralee getting state aid and benefiting from it but not with DCU getting state aid and Dublin benefiting from it? Or is it just the case that Kerry do their own additional fundraising that you find off-putting?
Maybe we should be thankful Dublin don't put the same effort into fundraising as other counties do, if Kerry can take in over €1,000,000 in fundraising on a tour of the US then I've no doubt Dublin could do the same - imagine how big the financial gap would be then?
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 17/01/2018 15:43:45
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I hear Mel Gibson has bought the rights to the movie franchise
Breffni39 (Cavan) - 17/01/2018
It'll no doubt rival The Mighty Ducks 2 and Cool Runnings when it comes to best sports underdog story...
if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 17/01/2018 15:48:53
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So funding for IT Tralee = good
But funding for DCU = bad
Got it now!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 17/01/2018 16:04:41
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