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Joe Brolly and those marginalised in our society

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I know over the festive period people have their thoughts elsewhere. Last Sunday Joe Brolly wrote an article and proved yet again he is a man of deep integrity and someone I respect enormously. I don't know if many people have read the article but have a look and discuss. I think it raises a lot of moral questions amongst gaa members and the gaa in general , in what role it could and possibly should play in the homeless crisis. https://m.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-the-gaa-could-do-so-much-more-to-help-the-marginalised-in-our-society-36434276.html

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1763 - 30/12/2017 09:59:29    2066222

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"The GAA has huge...political clout. We do not wield any of it", he says.

The GAA is a sports organisation based within communities. It should stick to that, and that alone. Work local for the local community. Leave politics to the politicians. Ironic that he wants it to use its political clout considering that historically in Northern Ireland the GAA has been seen more as a political organisation rather than a sporting one by unionists. That perception has waned somewhat and now he wants to reinvigorate it.

Of course social housing should be a big part of government policy but the fact it isn't is the result of a much wider political and economic agenda. If particular GAA members want to change this let them join a political party or set up a new one but it is well outside the remit and the responsibility of the organisation as a whole.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1110 - 30/12/2017 12:30:30    2066243

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Joe is a decent man. And more crack sober than most people are drunk. He's right that the GAA underuses its social and political clout. However, if the GAA went down that road, it'd face problems as, while GAA people tend to care more than many about communities etc, there are the same mix of right and left wingers in the GAA as anywhere else and there'd be serious disagreements about actual policy. Fine Gaelers for instance would block a state-run house building policy, while plenty others would be for it.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 489 - 30/12/2017 12:54:38    2066248

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the GAA should stick to promoting and developing our games

its still ridiculous in 2018 that there are clubs who will never allow hurling to develop in their area for fear of it competing with football
or clubs who don't bother providing a handball facility to allow members of all ages and genders to play that sport
crazy that we have three separate organisations running what are in effect, the same games - LGFA, Camogie, GAA

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 528 - 30/12/2017 13:24:30    2066254

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The GAA should stay out of politics as much as possible. It's obvious Joe is a good man. I am not sure what clubs can do for the homeless...many clubs are barely surviving as it is and relying on local fundraising to stay afloat.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9369 - 30/12/2017 18:30:29    2066294

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Replying To manfromdelmonte:  "the GAA should stick to promoting and developing our games

its still ridiculous in 2018 that there are clubs who will never allow hurling to develop in their area for fear of it competing with football
or clubs who don't bother providing a handball facility to allow members of all ages and genders to play that sport
crazy that we have three separate organisations running what are in effect, the same games - LGFA, Camogie, GAA"
Well said.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2329 - 30/12/2017 18:56:51    2066298

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I believe Joe is saying the gaa should be putting pressure on politicians. At a lot of GAA members across the county are struggling financially and struggling with poverty. How many of the young gaels within your own club will never have an opportunity to buy a house? I know people within my own club who are struggling with rising rents, how many kids that are playing underage for clubs that are currently housed in hotels?
It's a national problem and as he says not one politician would get elected in rural Ireland without the votes of Gaels.

If you lumped the money together for illegal manager payments, how many houses would that build?

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1763 - 30/12/2017 19:49:40    2066305

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I believe Joe is saying the gaa should be putting pressure on politicians. At a lot of GAA members across the county are struggling financially and struggling with poverty. How many of the young gaels within your own club will never have an opportunity to buy a house? I know people within my own club who are struggling with rising rents, how many kids that are playing underage for clubs that are currently housed in hotels?
It's a national problem and as he says not one politician would get elected in rural Ireland without the votes of Gaels.

If you lumped the money together for illegal manager payments, how many houses would that build?

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - 30/12/2017 19:49:40
All that money "lumped together" would build f*** all houses. Going on about not one politician in rural ireland would get elected without vote of GAA members is like saying not one politicain would get elected without the aid of black haired voters. Its an entirely meaningless statement.
Its a lot more than GAA members who are struggling.
Ask yourself. really how many kids are playing underage rugby/soccer/hurling or whatever sport and are housed in hotels. Yes its an issue and 1 is far too many but it isnt a huge amount and sport is long way down priority for them.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 31/12/2017 13:39:25    2066362

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  ""The GAA has huge...political clout. We do not wield any of it", he says.

The GAA is a sports organisation based within communities. It should stick to that, and that alone. Work local for the local community. Leave politics to the politicians. Ironic that he wants it to use its political clout considering that historically in Northern Ireland the GAA has been seen more as a political organisation rather than a sporting one by unionists. That perception has waned somewhat and now he wants to reinvigorate it.

Of course social housing should be a big part of government policy but the fact it isn't is the result of a much wider political and economic agenda. If particular GAA members want to change this let them join a political party or set up a new one but it is well outside the remit and the responsibility of the organisation as a whole."
I disagree with your comment and add that if you want to get something done the last thing you should do is join a political party. If you want something done the best way is to organise and proceed to do it without playing politics. Some of the best people in the country for getting things done are within clubs. Selling all our housing stock to vulture funds (who proceed to put families out of homes) is not the way forward and never will be. Bad decisions by politicians has cost this country dearly.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1905 - 31/12/2017 14:12:31    2066364

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The politicians don't seem to want to keep sport and politics separate and are stuck in every photo opportunity they can get their faces in.
All Ireland final day and who's front and centre, that's right. On the other hand who put money into redeveloping Crime park. They shouldn't but always are linked whether you like it or not so why not put pressure on them any way you can.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 612 - 31/12/2017 14:37:19    2066368

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Replying To browncows:  "I disagree with your comment and add that if you want to get something done the last thing you should do is join a political party. If you want something done the best way is to organise and proceed to do it without playing politics. Some of the best people in the country for getting things done are within clubs. Selling all our housing stock to vulture funds (who proceed to put families out of homes) is not the way forward and never will be. Bad decisions by politicians has cost this country dearly."
I agree I was in Kiltyclogher over christmas in North Leitrim, near Rossinver and Glenfarne. Before Christmas the locals banded together and launch an appeal to bring in people/families to the area. 9 families have now resettled and they have a waiting list. What does this mean? it means the local school register has gone from 10 pupils to 27 and more to come, the local club will have players, there is adults in the community bringing business and skills. The local club is at the heart of this effort, this is the way forward for a lot rural areas. The point is there is not a politician in sight, politicians are simpletons and beyond creative thinking, do it yourself if you want something done.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3869 - 31/12/2017 15:41:42    2066378

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