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Meath v Carlow 3 Jan 2018

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Replying To royaldunne:  "But who is the player that can get or make the scores without him??
With the exception of Ben Brennan who probably is that player. Who can chip in 3 scores per game. We are forwardless in last number of years. And have been a one man scoring team. For 2016/17 45% of our scores either come directly or indirectly (either last pass/ or directly from free which he got) by biggy. These are the facts
It would be a great addition to be able to rotate players. But we don't have the talent."
This keeps getting better, The only better man than biggy is another St Colmcilles man, one would nearly think you were from St. Comcilles. Oh you are.

And I would nearly swear biggy had 45% involvement in scores in MOD's last year according to you, so you are now claiming that he matched that stat once again last year. Very impressive!

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 04/01/2018 21:27:45    2066858

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Ah no thats nor fair Barney 123............Your post does not take account of the views of a fanatical Biggy supporter as distinct from an objective MEATH supporter. You must know statistics he used are totally subjective ,and bear little resemblence to reality. RD is a meath supporter no doubt, but in computor jargon he insists on maintaining the biggy virus on this forum. A viris is a nuisance at best. On mature reflection it does add amusement value,as long as it is seen as just that...a virus !!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1203 - 04/01/2018 22:17:45    2066865

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Replying To nobull456:  "Ah no thats nor fair Barney 123............Your post does not take account of the views of a fanatical Biggy supporter as distinct from an objective MEATH supporter. You must know statistics he used are totally subjective ,and bear little resemblence to reality. RD is a meath supporter no doubt, but in computor jargon he insists on maintaining the biggy virus on this forum. A viris is a nuisance at best. On mature reflection it does add amusement value,as long as it is seen as just that...a virus !!"
The facts are there. Read the stats. Call them assists if you like to use a soccer term. But they are facts. 45 % actually it was same nearly in both years.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/01/2018 22:31:36    2066866

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'd also add that he was very much bellowing out instructions. Think a more vocal biggy will be seen this year."
Good stuff he got alot of critism over not acting as captain last year and hes not a very vocal person anyway so thats good to hear. Hooefully he will show alot of leadership this year god knows we need it. Yeah 1st game...hopefully Sunday be better game all round.

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 04/01/2018 23:46:32    2066872

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The facts are there. Read the stats. Call them assists if you like to use a soccer term. But they are facts. 45 % actually it was same nearly in both years."
Are you factoring in the scores against Meath because Biggy's lack of work rate ? No real point in scoring 3 or 4 points a game if your not going to bother to track your man. And scores happen the other end of the field. This must close to last year ? What age is he now 29 30 ?

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 05/01/2018 10:00:09    2066892

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Good stuff he got alot of critism over not acting as captain last year and hes not a very vocal person anyway so thats good to hear. Hooefully he will show alot of leadership this year god knows we need it. Yeah 1st game...hopefully Sunday be better game all round."
Hopefully. The thing about it is I think it's the type of game we would have lost in previous years. Carlow have their system, it even subdued dubs for a fair bit, the fact we didn't panic and played as if we would always win in the end was refreshing to see. However the less of those games I see the better. I think Wicklow will come to play football which will let us see another dimension to our game plan for the year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/01/2018 10:20:50    2066896

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RD- Trump has a position for you in the White House based on 'false facts' To say we would not have beaten Carlow previously is one such twist!- we beat them in the same location 3 years ago in the same competition and there was no panic either! Now on captain's position- you gain most respect as a captain by you performance on the field of play- not by shouting at other players. Now a win is a win and conditions were very difficult suiting the bigger slower players. I expect to see a win against Wicklow ion a good pitch and it is good to see new players getting a go- just hope it continues with no injuries- best of luck to all.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 05/01/2018 10:52:16    2066900

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Hopefully. The thing about it is I think it's the type of game we would have lost in previous years. Carlow have their system, it even subdued dubs for a fair bit, the fact we didn't panic and played as if we would always win in the end was refreshing to see. However the less of those games I see the better. I think Wicklow will come to play football which will let us see another dimension to our game plan for the year."
That's what you want at this stage, games and different systems and players being tried out ahead of settling upon our own best XV and system for the league. I'm optimistic we can go up this year and I'd qualify that as a success.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 05/01/2018 10:58:10    2066902

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Replying To browncows:  "RD- Trump has a position for you in the White House based on 'false facts' To say we would not have beaten Carlow previously is one such twist!- we beat them in the same location 3 years ago in the same competition and there was no panic either! Now on captain's position- you gain most respect as a captain by you performance on the field of play- not by shouting at other players. Now a win is a win and conditions were very difficult suiting the bigger slower players. I expect to see a win against Wicklow ion a good pitch and it is good to see new players getting a go- just hope it continues with no injuries- best of luck to all."
I agree with what you say about the captain leading by example in terms of performance but I also think they need to be vocal on the pitch too. If he's added this to his game it can only be a good thing.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 05/01/2018 11:15:22    2066905

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The facts are there. Read the stats. Call them assists if you like to use a soccer term. But they are facts. 45 % actually it was same nearly in both years."
Can you post up a link to these facts and starts, really curious to see them

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 05/01/2018 11:23:54    2066910

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "Would the conditions have not played a part in the players losing their footing fella?"
Obviously the conditions not ideal but some players seemed unable to stand at all, others were fine,

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 05/01/2018 11:30:55    2066912

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And here it is again...the good ole entertaining Biggy Reilly debate, not one forum on this site escapes it, wouldn't be the same without it!

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 05/01/2018 12:00:25    2066921

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Hopefully. The thing about it is I think it's the type of game we would have lost in previous years. Carlow have their system, it even subdued dubs for a fair bit, the fact we didn't panic and played as if we would always win in the end was refreshing to see. However the less of those games I see the better. I think Wicklow will come to play football which will let us see another dimension to our game plan for the year."
True and if we can continue to keep the head, no panic and quit this malarkey of running around like headless chickens when we get the ball, get our defense up, there is no reason why we cant go on and actually beat the Dubs in Leinster Final. From what i have seen and heard our fitness levels are up from last year so tactics and common sense will play big part aswell. Very optimistic some might say but seriously you got to have faith or else what is the point......

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 05/01/2018 12:05:14    2066923

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Replying To longroadback:  "Obviously the conditions not ideal but some players seemed unable to stand at all, others were fine,"
Something seriously wrong somewhere if players seemed unable to stand at all

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 05/01/2018 12:10:58    2066925

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Replying To longroadback:  "Obviously the conditions not ideal but some players seemed unable to stand at all, others were fine,"
You get that though, sometimes depends on the boot. If I was playing soccer I'd wear normal boots, if I was playing GAA I tended to buy rugby boots with the longer studs.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 293 - 05/01/2018 12:13:22    2066928

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Can you post up a link to these facts and starts, really curious to see them"
Royler King............As i suspect you know already no such stats are available officially. No law against making them up yourself to suit .But really WHO would be bothered?

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1203 - 05/01/2018 12:58:37    2066937

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A win is a win, at this point I'm going against my religion and I don't care if we win games ugly as long as we win. Carlow are developing a bit of momentum over the past 12 months, they're an improving side and I wouldn't have expected anything more than a big of a slug fest there the other night, especially given the conditions. It's Important to maximise the use of this O'Byrne Cup and get as many games as possible and maybe a bit of momentum before heading to Hyde Park for the league, a game which is really important to our league prospects, we have been notoriously slow starters in the league in recent years and that has cost us promotion at least twice out of the last few years so we need to hit the ground running and the more games and wins we get in January the better, I would also think the Wicklow game would be a more open affair and I expect us to win and progress to a semi final.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 05/01/2018 13:37:36    2066945

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Replying To Richieq:  "A win is a win, at this point I'm going against my religion and I don't care if we win games ugly as long as we win. Carlow are developing a bit of momentum over the past 12 months, they're an improving side and I wouldn't have expected anything more than a big of a slug fest there the other night, especially given the conditions. It's Important to maximise the use of this O'Byrne Cup and get as many games as possible and maybe a bit of momentum before heading to Hyde Park for the league, a game which is really important to our league prospects, we have been notoriously slow starters in the league in recent years and that has cost us promotion at least twice out of the last few years so we need to hit the ground running and the more games and wins we get in January the better, I would also think the Wicklow game would be a more open affair and I expect us to win and progress to a semi final."
Well said..

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 05/01/2018 14:20:23    2066951

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The facts are there. Read the stats. Call them assists if you like to use a soccer term. But they are facts. 45 % actually it was same nearly in both years."
I'd love to know where these stats came from. I did a bit of research and in the 4 champo games last year we scored 1-68, so 69 scores. In order to account for 45% Biggie would need to have scored or assisted on about 31 scores. He scored 10 points so that leaves 21. I then watched the highlights of the 4 games on Youtube (short but best available). Of all the scores that Biggie didn't score himself in the clip he assisted on 2/14. So in order for Royal Dunne to be correct Biggie would have to have directly assisted on another 19 points not shown in the clips. Don't know about you but I never remember Biggie picking out a pass, only thing I can think of is maybe he is fouled for some frees. But the stats seem a bit BS without anything to back them up

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1452 - 05/01/2018 14:33:53    2066953

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I'd love to know where these stats came from. I did a bit of research and in the 4 champo games last year we scored 1-68, so 69 scores. In order to account for 45% Biggie would need to have scored or assisted on about 31 scores. He scored 10 points so that leaves 21. I then watched the highlights of the 4 games on Youtube (short but best available). Of all the scores that Biggie didn't score himself in the clip he assisted on 2/14. So in order for Royal Dunne to be correct Biggie would have to have directly assisted on another 19 points not shown in the clips. Don't know about you but I never remember Biggie picking out a pass, only thing I can think of is maybe he is fouled for some frees. But the stats seem a bit BS without anything to back them up"
Or who compiled these stats, RD himself or someone within the Meath camp? Its absolutely remarkable that he had around 45% involvement in all scores two years running. Does RD know which competitions it involves? O'Byrne Cup, League, Championship? Would it be possible to know his average distance run by Biggy in the championship last year RD? That would be an interesting one.

He did say "The facts are there. Read the stats." so I can't wait to read his detailed response on this matter.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 05/01/2018 15:02:40    2066963

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