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Tyrone ladies pay £13,650 to use Garvaghey in 2017

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "they aren't that great, sitting on top of a hill surrounded by windmills { wind turbine survey showed it was one of the best places to site wind farms in Ireland due to the continuous wind and speeds } and it certainly isn't always available to others including the county hurling teams, when the footballers request the use of a couple of pitches, yes fine words and glossy brochures are nice to sell memberships but the reality for those on the playing front doesn't reflect those words and pictures"
Some good points.
To be fair if the Ladies aren't integrated into the GAA as a whole why would they not be charged? If a rugby or soccer club wanted to use it you would charge them-the lights and upkeep of the place has to be paid.
When I played club football we used the facilities many's a night and it was great. Many clubs train there.
Not sure what the windmill reference is about?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 12/12/2017 20:19:28    2065026

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Great facilities but a terrible spot for it. was shocked how wild it is up there-wouldn't think its conducive to high performance

kanu (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 12/12/2017 20:21:25    2065027

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "they aren't that great, sitting on top of a hill surrounded by windmills { wind turbine survey showed it was one of the best places to site wind farms in Ireland due to the continuous wind and speeds } and it certainly isn't always available to others including the county hurling teams, when the footballers request the use of a couple of pitches, yes fine words and glossy brochures are nice to sell memberships but the reality for those on the playing front doesn't reflect those words and pictures"
Also a Louth poster mentioned the same happened to the Louth ladies and Dublin the same so it doesn't look like it's just Tyrone, it looks like an all Ireland problem.

Why would the LGFA not join an intregrated GAA?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 12/12/2017 20:23:05    2065028

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perhaps its a national decision not to integrate, but I can't understand why though its a bit disengenius to suggest in all the shiny stuff and interviews by certain individuals about the integration and harmonisation of all bodies of tyrone gaa but different in reality, the windmill ref was meant to be wind turbines or farms, as many a night the wind would put you out of the place, maybe a bit of forward thinking before it was built considering it was owned long enough before the building began and a few strategic wind breaks of trees would go a bit to addressing the issue, perhaps now with a carrickmore man at the helm { the coup seems to have backfired } in mickey kerr things will change, just a shame mrs Jordan didn't get finishing the 5yrs term as with all the male chairs in the past

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 13/12/2017 00:56:02    2065052

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "
Replying To The_Fridge:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Offside_Rule:  "Bring everyone together under one umbrella.

Who is stopping this though or where is the resistance? Is it from the GAA side of the house or the LGFA? If it is the GAA who are digging their heals of bringing the LGFA under the same umbrella then yes they need to remove whatever is blocking it and get the LGFA onboard. But if it is the LGFA who are stopping it then the ire of people should be directed towards that Organisation. People have to remember there is upkeep to such facilities and if an Organisation is using them but isn't contributing directly or indirectly to the GAA Organisation (who own and run the facilities) then it is reasonable for there to be a charge. As the old saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it!"
How much did the LGFA or Tyrone Ladies contribute towards the construction or running costs of Garvaghy?"
Good question. Not sure but il try to find out."]in the application for government funding, it was a big emphasis put on integration which is as anyone knows who has applied for grants is a big factor in receiving funds from government departments and also when pushing for club tyrone donations from individuals and clubs, integration is used as a factor for getting you to part with your monthly dd. ALso why do they have a lgfa member on the ccc for fixture planning? either tyrone gaa are fully integrated or they aren't, though on saying that ask the county hurling teams if they are treated the same as the footballers in the use of garvaghey, so don't believe all the hype that some would try to portray that everyone in tyrone gaa is equal or that garvaghey is a facility for the use of the whole gaa family."]How much did the government put into this centre of excellence? that is tax payers money - taxpayers money should not be spent on schemes for one gender that is the real problem hear. I am sure if the ladies complained to the authorities in Northern Ireland they would get a very sympathetic ear from the powers that be. Kinda ironic that given the politics in the North.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 13/12/2017 08:19:08    2065058

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Replying To kanu:  "Great facilities but a terrible spot for it. was shocked how wild it is up there-wouldn't think its conducive to high performance"
Conducive to a higher performance than Cavan anyway.

the facilities are top class

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 13/12/2017 09:12:10    2065063

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As always 2 sides to every story! The story being pedalled looks shocking in the media.

Few points a) a few of our southern brethren trying to imply here that ladies aren't allowed to use the facilities full stop! Don't be silly, the facility is open to all.

b) Garvaghey is a heavily subsidised building with various tax breaks and incentives from the gov. Given the revenue the hmrc came in with a magnifying glass and found this anomaly. Tyrone faced losing out on hundreds of thousands and are being monitored over this very issue.

c) there must be away around this but you can't just pay a gift, do you think gov accountants are that stupid?

d) The LGFA do not want to be part of the GAA, that's their call but is a ridiculous position in my view. The sensible option for complete equality is integrating. That's not tyrones problem, this should be taken to their headquarters in Dublin

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 13/12/2017 09:18:58    2065065

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "perhaps its a national decision not to integrate, but I can't understand why though its a bit disengenius to suggest in all the shiny stuff and interviews by certain individuals about the integration and harmonisation of all bodies of tyrone gaa but different in reality, the windmill ref was meant to be wind turbines or farms, as many a night the wind would put you out of the place, maybe a bit of forward thinking before it was built considering it was owned long enough before the building began and a few strategic wind breaks of trees would go a bit to addressing the issue, perhaps now with a carrickmore man at the helm { the coup seems to have backfired } in mickey kerr things will change, just a shame mrs Jordan didn't get finishing the 5yrs term as with all the male chairs in the past"
The facilities are fantastic up there. State of the art and we should be proud to have them. We live in Ireland....during games there could be wind, rain, sunshine and the rest. Tighten them up.
An earlier post you stated that the hurlers couldn't get playing at Garvaghy-with Micky Kerr, a hurling man, surely this would eradicate that problem. You should be happy.
I don't know if it was a coup or not with the voting of a new chairperson last night. Are you a committe member? Were you there last night? Did you vote? Too suggest that this has to do with gender is ridiculous. Did the same people not vote in the first chairwoman in the history of the GAA 3 years ago?
The fact is the Ladies aren't part of the GAA as such so they are a separate entity. If they paid for the facilities by all means train away. If not they should be charged.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 13/12/2017 10:54:28    2065074

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "As always 2 sides to every story! The story being pedalled looks shocking in the media.

Few points a) a few of our southern brethren trying to imply here that ladies aren't allowed to use the facilities full stop! Don't be silly, the facility is open to all.

b) Garvaghey is a heavily subsidised building with various tax breaks and incentives from the gov. Given the revenue the hmrc came in with a magnifying glass and found this anomaly. Tyrone faced losing out on hundreds of thousands and are being monitored over this very issue.

c) there must be away around this but you can't just pay a gift, do you think gov accountants are that stupid?

d) The LGFA do not want to be part of the GAA, that's their call but is a ridiculous position in my view. The sensible option for complete equality is integrating. That's not tyrones problem, this should be taken to their headquarters in Dublin"
I doubt anybody, Southern or Northern, is implying that Tyrone ladies aren't using the facility given the title of the thread.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 13/12/2017 11:39:07    2065078

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "The facilities are fantastic up there. State of the art and we should be proud to have them. We live in Ireland....during games there could be wind, rain, sunshine and the rest. Tighten them up.
An earlier post you stated that the hurlers couldn't get playing at Garvaghy-with Micky Kerr, a hurling man, surely this would eradicate that problem. You should be happy.
I don't know if it was a coup or not with the voting of a new chairperson last night. Are you a committe member? Were you there last night? Did you vote? Too suggest that this has to do with gender is ridiculous. Did the same people not vote in the first chairwoman in the history of the GAA 3 years ago?
The fact is the Ladies aren't part of the GAA as such so they are a separate entity. If they paid for the facilities by all means train away. If not they should be charged."
did you read her chairperson address? it would look like a gender issue or a personal issue or vendetta to undermine her over her tenure, from her very first run in with senior football team backroom members in the derry v tyrone game in omagh when looking for a player to speak to the media and none being allowed willing and being made look very weak in her position, { certainly wouldn't have happened with the previous man from Strabane }, no I'm not a current committee member, but was former member and also sub committees member and am well aware of the rivalries and issues involved with several { personalities } around tyrone football and the whole garvaghey complex, yes its a good facility but the facilities at owenbeg are just as good playing wise. 1 of the big selling factors of garvaghey and club tyrone the last few years when looking new members and grants, was the total integration of all facets of tyrone gaa, gaelic football, hurling, camogie, lgfa, scór, as gaelige, and yes most of the time ALL of these have been accommodated, but there is certainly times when other county teams could not get the use of the facilities even when they had bookings. Regardless that's in the past and this latest bit of negative publicity will hopefully make things better for all county teams looking to use the tyrone centre of excellence. On integration does anyone know exactly what is stopping the lgfa integrating with the gaa, is it to do with irish sports council grants or other government funding? it certainly makes no sense not to be or is it a case of we don't need/want to be integrated? which would render all arguments about inequality and charging nulled. Anyhow lets see if Mickey kerr can put some positive spin on some of the negativity coming out of tyrone gaa and I know he is a former chairperson of eire og hurling club 1 of only 5 in tyrone and has been a big personality on a couple of occasions along with the 2 former chairs, trying to sort and harmonise the tyrone fixtures with reps from football, hurlin/camogie/ lgfa on the ccc. Any how from the chatter the maintenance costs on top of the hill are set to escalate substantially from jan 18 so the costs of pitch hire will probably get bigger, with plans afoot to build a full size indoor sports hall. A few wise old hand predictions of a noose around tyrone gaa necks maybe starting to become a reality and are clubs going to be levied to cover these costs as well as being asked to support club tyrone to fund the centre of excellence, maybe ill see more when I get back up to the county committee meetings in the new year. No I wasn't there last night due to a family event but it sounds like it was a feisty night.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 13/12/2017 12:32:26    2065084

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "did you read her chairperson address? it would look like a gender issue or a personal issue or vendetta to undermine her over her tenure, from her very first run in with senior football team backroom members in the derry v tyrone game in omagh when looking for a player to speak to the media and none being allowed willing and being made look very weak in her position, { certainly wouldn't have happened with the previous man from Strabane }, no I'm not a current committee member, but was former member and also sub committees member and am well aware of the rivalries and issues involved with several { personalities } around tyrone football and the whole garvaghey complex, yes its a good facility but the facilities at owenbeg are just as good playing wise. 1 of the big selling factors of garvaghey and club tyrone the last few years when looking new members and grants, was the total integration of all facets of tyrone gaa, gaelic football, hurling, camogie, lgfa, scór, as gaelige, and yes most of the time ALL of these have been accommodated, but there is certainly times when other county teams could not get the use of the facilities even when they had bookings. Regardless that's in the past and this latest bit of negative publicity will hopefully make things better for all county teams looking to use the tyrone centre of excellence. On integration does anyone know exactly what is stopping the lgfa integrating with the gaa, is it to do with irish sports council grants or other government funding? it certainly makes no sense not to be or is it a case of we don't need/want to be integrated? which would render all arguments about inequality and charging nulled. Anyhow lets see if Mickey kerr can put some positive spin on some of the negativity coming out of tyrone gaa and I know he is a former chairperson of eire og hurling club 1 of only 5 in tyrone and has been a big personality on a couple of occasions along with the 2 former chairs, trying to sort and harmonise the tyrone fixtures with reps from football, hurlin/camogie/ lgfa on the ccc. Any how from the chatter the maintenance costs on top of the hill are set to escalate substantially from jan 18 so the costs of pitch hire will probably get bigger, with plans afoot to build a full size indoor sports hall. A few wise old hand predictions of a noose around tyrone gaa necks maybe starting to become a reality and are clubs going to be levied to cover these costs as well as being asked to support club tyrone to fund the centre of excellence, maybe ill see more when I get back up to the county committee meetings in the new year. No I wasn't there last night due to a family event but it sounds like it was a feisty night."
It does look like it's getting messy with threats of legal action which is sad to see. No one wants to see that. Roisin Jordan may have been treated unfairly, however we don't know that for sure.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 13/12/2017 13:27:38    2065087

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Garvahey was built by the GAA and now the LGFA want to use the facilities as well. If they want to keep their independence they should have to pay for the use or at least pay for the upkeep of the facility, hence the charge.

I think this is going to be something that will raise its head over the next while. In essence the LGFA do not have any infrastructure and have been dependent on the goodwill of the GAA to play/train. (However controversial that statement may be). In my own experience the LGFA does not contribute to the upkeep of the facilities but expect to have full use.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 13/12/2017 15:01:27    2065099

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Replying To juicy:  "Garvahey was built by the GAA and now the LGFA want to use the facilities as well. If they want to keep their independence they should have to pay for the use or at least pay for the upkeep of the facility, hence the charge.

I think this is going to be something that will raise its head over the next while. In essence the LGFA do not have any infrastructure and have been dependent on the goodwill of the GAA to play/train. (However controversial that statement may be). In my own experience the LGFA does not contribute to the upkeep of the facilities but expect to have full use."
Great post.

Finally a reply by someone who cuts out all the PC bulls*it and calls it as it is.

The LGFA are not part of the GAA. If they want to use GAA facilities then they should be expected to hire the facility, just like a rugby or soccer team would or they should contribute to the yearly costs of running the facility, just like a normal GAA club.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 13/12/2017 15:33:12    2065101

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Replying To Wally:  "Great post.

Finally a reply by someone who cuts out all the PC bulls*it and calls it as it is.

The LGFA are not part of the GAA. If they want to use GAA facilities then they should be expected to hire the facility, just like a rugby or soccer team would or they should contribute to the yearly costs of running the facility, just like a normal GAA club."
forgetting about the pc bovine manure or the gaa only glasses but all the way through the processes of grant applications and fundraising to build garvaghey club tyrone and the gaa were more than willing to have endorsements, signatures and letters of intent from ALL the ladies teams football and camogie which was is a major factor and point scorer for government grants, so this they are not part of the gaa is cr-p everyone of those ladies are paying members of gaa clubs { which by the way includes hurling, camogie and ladies football } NOWHERE does it say in any correspondence or paper work gaelic football association } The problem arises from the charges which seem ridiculously high considering food isn't included in that cost but now its out there maybe the lgfa hq will explain their decisions on no integration and tyrone gaa can come to an amicable agreement on costs. After all we are talking about our own friends, sisters, mothers, cousins, nieces, aunts etc, and know full well that these same ladies if anything is taking place within our own clubs are some of the first people there to help out and fundraise when needed.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 13/12/2017 16:56:44    2065111

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Replying To Wally:  "Great post.

Finally a reply by someone who cuts out all the PC bulls*it and calls it as it is.

The LGFA are not part of the GAA. If they want to use GAA facilities then they should be expected to hire the facility, just like a rugby or soccer team would or they should contribute to the yearly costs of running the facility, just like a normal GAA club."
does that apply in your own club wally? do the ladies pay the same as the men using the pitches and changing rooms or are they charged more? just because they play county football for tyrone ladies does not make them any different to the person they are when involved in club activities and seems harsh to be asked to pay over the odds to represent tyrone gaa

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 13/12/2017 17:28:27    2065116

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "Conducive to a higher performance than Cavan anyway.

the facilities are top class"
Have another read of my post. i didn't say anything bad about the facilities just where they are located. if you want poor facilities have a look at your own county ground (on one of the few days its playable that is)

kanu (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 13/12/2017 20:50:39    2065135

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "does that apply in your own club wally? do the ladies pay the same as the men using the pitches and changing rooms or are they charged more? just because they play county football for tyrone ladies does not make them any different to the person they are when involved in club activities and seems harsh to be asked to pay over the odds to represent tyrone gaa"
I think you are missing the point and your augment is very thin indeed.

Are you saying that all LGFA players are also GAA club members and therefore pay their club membership and in turn pay a percentage to the upkeep of the club facilities and pitch? This then entitles them to the use of the same said facilities free of charge??

If that is the case then hundreds and thousands of club members throughout the country are entitled to use their clubs GAA facilities for whatever purposes they see fit, even though these activities have nothing to do with the GAA.

So for example, I am a fully paid member of my club. Therefore I am entitled to book the pitch and play golf on it.

No of course I am not!

The fact is that the LGFA is not part of the GAA. The facilities at Garvaghey are there for use by GAA members to train and play GAA games. If you have an organisation that will not merge with the GAA but still expect to use their facilities free of charge then you are mad. Just because some of these people who are part of this organisation are also part of a GAA club somewhere does not create a loophole around this.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 14/12/2017 09:11:41    2065146

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Replying To kanu:  "Have another read of my post. i didn't say anything bad about the facilities just where they are located. if you want poor facilities have a look at your own county ground (on one of the few days its playable that is)"
Boo hoo hoo slagging of my county ground! Wise up yous would be lucky to have it!

How often do you be up in garvaghey? Typical irish attitude always try and knock an achievement! ?Garvaghey will keep producing and yous can keep acting like our feeder club for coaches and managers

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 14/12/2017 09:28:15    2065147

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "does that apply in your own club wally? do the ladies pay the same as the men using the pitches and changing rooms or are they charged more? just because they play county football for tyrone ladies does not make them any different to the person they are when involved in club activities and seems harsh to be asked to pay over the odds to represent tyrone gaa"
You are missing the point, Garvaghey is a business. It was subject to millions in payments back from the HMRC and needs to run on a full business basis. LGFA are an outside organisation. They have to be charged the same as any other outside user or all prices would have to be lowered.

Its not an equality issue. Integration is glaringly obviously needed but why do they not want it?

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 14/12/2017 09:32:09    2065148

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "Boo hoo hoo slagging of my county ground! Wise up yous would be lucky to have it!

How often do you be up in garvaghey? Typical irish attitude always try and knock an achievement! ?Garvaghey will keep producing and yous can keep acting like our feeder club for coaches and managers"
We have a better ground so why would Cavan be lucky to have it?

You can't seem to take any critism of Tyrone.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 14/12/2017 14:18:13    2065177

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