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Suggest have Croke Park official sit on sideline for entire games, "togged out" so as to get a sense of the reality they perpetrate.
Below copied from Irish Examiner
By Eoghan Cormican
The McGrath Cup and Munster Senior Hurling League will proceed in 2018 despite a spate of withdrawals in recent weeks, provincial council chairman Simon Moroney has confirmed.
Tipperary and Waterford are not participating in the pre-season hurling competition, while Kerry and Tipperary have opted out of the football equivalent.
Moroney said the McGrath Cup and Munster SHL would continue in 2018, with the format and scheduling of both competitions to be decided at a meeting of the Council on Wednesday, November 29.
Both were run off on a round-robin format earlier this year, but that could change given the reduced number of counties involved next season.
What will be decided at the meeting later this month is whether to proceed with a four-team round-robin structure or to have a straight knockout competition which would require only three games to determine a winner.
"If we go with a round-robin format, then you'll need four match-days and there is the likelihood of starting on Saturday, December 30, unless you opt to play games mid-week," Moroney explained.
"If a knockout format is agreed upon, then you can have the semi-finals on the first weekend of January and the final, possibly, the following weekend."
Owing to a rule change earlier this year, either competition does not need to be completed before the opening round of the national league on January 27. Indeed, the final of the FBD Connacht football league is provisionally fixed for February.
"It is our aspiration to have both finished before the league commences," Moroney continued.
"It is hard to maintain interest once the leagues are up and running. They then become the focus of county teams."
Said Tipperary hurling manager Michael Ryan, on Tipp FM, of their decision to withdraw for a third consecutive year: "The Munster league format wasn't going to be conducive for us. It was going to bring us right up to the start of the National Hurling League with five games. It's too much."
PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 897 - 21/11/2017 21:22:11 2063223Link 0 1
It's so annoying.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 21/11/2017 21:47:23 2063226Link 0 1
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 538 - 21/11/2017 23:32:09 2063234Link 0 0
because coach x in county x has heard that coach y in county y has the lads training 4 nights a week,that'll have them ready for june.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2893 - 22/11/2017 09:35:00 2063244Link 2 0
I've said it for a long time but the league could easily be linked to championship.
So the league could be used to determine the last 8 instead of the qualifiers.
4 Provincial champions. 3 more from division 1 (which is 2 sections of 8) plus the division 2 champion.
There are way more big matches. Quarterfinal place for the division 2 champion doesn't feel like an excessive reward and makes that a super competition for the participants.
I'd make division 2 regional to cut costs for the weaker teams.
Top 2 from each section into division 2 semifinals but 3rd and 4th from each also qualify for promotion playoffs. The winner of that round play the losing semi finalists. If one group is harder than the other then more from that group should make it up.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 22/11/2017 10:51:11 2063254Link 0 1
Players who suufer most are onew whoplay college hurling and football therefore cannot be part of county teams in Jan and February as weel as some of March. Ditto for club teams who are still in club championship after Christmas. Club and county suffer as they boys inclub are not availble to the county when temainsbeing formed. Prime example tody is Na Piarsaigh and Limerick hurlers. 10 Na Piarsaigh players on Limerick panel. Then agin why should Crtoke Park care when Linerick county board continue to grow DUMB,FAT AND HAPPY!
PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 897 - 23/11/2017 18:12:18 2063399Link 0 0
all the talk about 6 day turnarounds in the summer on a dry pitch,yet we seem to have no problem in the gaa training 4-5 nights a week on a boggy,sodden pitch in november?
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2893 - 24/11/2017 12:05:09 2063438Link 1 0
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 25/11/2017 09:36:54 2063510Link 0 0
Counties not making the quarterfinals probably get a good 16 weeks at it. If a few championships run in to November because their county had an expected run that's not the worst thing as a one off.
Club Provincial championship isn't until February, so won't impact other counties. You don't have the situation where club champions have to play Provincial championship the day after winning a county title.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 25/11/2017 10:27:18 2063511Link 0 1
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 25/11/2017 21:27:21 2063552Link 0 0
2 potential solutions.
Play club championship into November. Doesn't impact anyone else.
Play a limited number of club championship games midweek. These should be planned for at the start of the season so that those not living near their home can work around them.
The game days could be something along these lines using 2018 as an example.
Sunday 6th August All Ireland football final.
Sunday 13th August hurling round 1
Wednesday 16th August football round 1
Sunday 20th August hurling round 2
Sunday 27th August football round 2
Wednesday 30th August hurling round 3
Sunday 3rd September football round 3
Sunday 10th September hurling round 4
Wednesday 13th September football round 4
Sunday 17th September hurling round 5
Sunday 24th September football round 5
Wednesday 27th September hurling round 6
Sunday 1st October football round 6
Sunday 8th October hurling round 7
Sunday 15th October football round 7
Sunday 22nd October hurling round 8
Sunday 29th October football round 9.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 25/11/2017 23:03:29 2063554Link 0 1
Can be used in April to July to get club leagues played off. Should allow for 27 game days. 18 weekends and 9 Wednesdays.
These sorts of proposals don't 100% suit every single outcome under the sun.
They make a good stab at providing a better season than is currently being offered.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 25/11/2017 23:10:44 2063555Link 0 0
There are lots of issues with your proposal, but there are lots of issues with any proposal. But under the current fixture list 24 club teams will be training this Christmas preparing for All-Ireland semi finals. Under your proposals about 125 teams would be training this Christmas preparing for provincial championships. The cost of that for clubs is huge, and I'm not sure how pleased club players would be either. Iv trained over Christmas for All-Ireland semi finals and it's no problem because you are 1 game from Croke Park. Not sure I'd be keen if I was facing into the first round of a provincial campaign.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 26/11/2017 09:52:14 2063561Link 0 0
Friday 19th May
Tuesday 25th July
Sunday 13th August
Thursday 24th August
Sunday 10th September
Saturday 23rd September
Sunday 8th October
Sunday 22nd October
Our dual players had hurling:
Tuesday 6th June
Monday 19th June
Tuesday 11th July
Sunday 30th July
Sunday 20th August
Saturday 2nd September knocked out in the quarterfinals
Semifinal would've been Saturday 16th September
Final Saturday 30th September
I don't know how Meath will be able to fit in their championship now with the changes being brought in.
Even this year there were problems. Hurling clubs weren't given access to intercounty footballers for some rounds of championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 26/11/2017 11:42:37 2063565Link 0 0
Galway don't have Provincial championship, so their senior hurling final is in December. I wouldn't like it myself but it's not unprecedented.
How many weekends do the other western hurling championships take up? I'd suspect not many.
With the new proposals, we're already seeing counties change their championship formats to work around things.
My suggestion is not full proof. There's no full proof solution, that's why the CPA is needed to try and smooth things as much as possible.
Their April club month suggestion is just stupid though. It doesn't suit club players with championship being played as early as April. It doesn't suit county teams preparing for the Provincial championships.
We played right into November this year having started matches in February, with training having started on 27th December. That's a long slog of a season. I'd genuinely much prefer to start in April and be known that I'll finish in October.
If we'd a Provincial campaign to play I'd say we'd have had the whole of November off, would do a bit in December. Have Christmas week off and then have 4 weeks to prepare for the Provincial championship. I'd have absolutely been fine with that.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 26/11/2017 12:08:49 2063568Link 0 0
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 26/11/2017 12:19:09 2063570Link 0 0
Galway has a lot of championship games but they play into November and can continue to still do so.
Mayo 6 football 4 hurling rounds
Sligo 6 football 6 hurling rounds it looks like
Leitrim 8 football 2 hurling rounds
Roscommon 8 football, 3-5 hurling rounds
It's really hard to get good results lists for the hurling championships. These competitions all can easily be fit into August to October.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2101 - 26/11/2017 12:31:50 2063574Link 0 0
there is no reason in this world why any gaa gate should be opened in november.every championship should be finished by 31st october,and no gate opened before 1st january.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2893 - 26/11/2017 22:32:06 2063687Link 0 0