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Monaghan all stars

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Read dick clerkin's piece about all stars. Interesting in his independent column he argues that the all stars favoures the counties that reach the all ireland final.

Is this why so few monaghan players have all stars( is it just 7?)

Dick also says that hugo clerkin should have won an all star in 1985 but was denied one for being sent off. My question would be who would have to be dropped of the 1985 all star team to make way for hugo

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 08/11/2017 05:42:52    2061117

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Read that article, he seemed to be hinting that he would have got an all star but scarified himself for the team. I'm not sure he was ever going to be more than that type of player, he was certainly never close to an all star in my opinion.

More stylish, technical footballers like Finlay would have been more likely winners. Was Dick ever one of our most important players? I'd say no to be honest.

sporto (Monaghan) - Posts: 127 - 08/11/2017 11:05:44    2061170

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never thought he had much football in him but he was a leader and a presence that we should certainly do with now at midfield. Sort of player opposition star men didn't like very much. Deserved an all star for almost taking the head off Galvin in 07. Has played the media game to perfection since retiring but fair play to him on that front.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1266 - 08/11/2017 15:43:41    2061233

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Replying To Bernardo:  "Read dick clerkin's piece about all stars. Interesting in his independent column he argues that the all stars favoures the counties that reach the all ireland final.

Is this why so few monaghan players have all stars( is it just 7?)

Dick also says that hugo clerkin should have won an all star in 1985 but was denied one for being sent off. My question would be who would have to be dropped of the 1985 all star team to make way for hugo"
I think Hugo would still have lost out in '85. Jack O'Shea and Willie Joe Padden were the All Star pairing that year. Jacko was the best footballer in the country at the time and Willie Joe was a favourite of the media with his high fielding and this was before the "Hay Wrap!!! Monaghan lost out on 2 certain All Stars that year but they were at Full Back, where Gerry Hargan won an All Star for hanging onto Colm O'Rourke's jersey and Full Forward where Eamon Murphy lost out to Paul Earley for reasons passing understanding.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 251 - 08/11/2017 15:47:49    2061234

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I thought Gerry McCarville's omission was the most unfair; surely the best Monaghan player never to win an All Star. Once on the terrace at a club game, I overheard his advice to a clubmate on how to mark the late Kieran Finlay; the timing of when to let go of his jersey was the key.

Eamon McEneaney was ineligible after being sent off in the Kilmacud Crokes 7s.

'Nudie' and Ciaran Murray were selected.

I don't think Monaghan were likely to get more than 4 even after winning the league and drawing the All Ireland semi final.

As I recall, Hugo's sending off was 'discussed' at the Kerry Monaghan league match in Oct/Nov and led to a lively end to the match.

tommy58 (Dublin) - Posts: 148 - 08/11/2017 17:06:29    2061251

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Replying To tommy58:  "I thought Gerry McCarville's omission was the most unfair; surely the best Monaghan player never to win an All Star. Once on the terrace at a club game, I overheard his advice to a clubmate on how to mark the late Kieran Finlay; the timing of when to let go of his jersey was the key.

Eamon McEneaney was ineligible after being sent off in the Kilmacud Crokes 7s.

'Nudie' and Ciaran Murray were selected.

I don't think Monaghan were likely to get more than 4 even after winning the league and drawing the All Ireland semi final.

As I recall, Hugo's sending off was 'discussed' at the Kerry Monaghan league match in Oct/Nov and led to a lively end to the match."
If remember correctly the sending off was an(other) Ger Power dive to the ground with hands clutching his face...as if he'd been decapitated when he just been pushed over (or am I thinking of another game entirely). I never liked Power.
Playacting and winning at all costs is nothing new.

Nearly didn't get in to that game because I think about 30,000 more people showed up at the replay than the first one and some of the gates were closed early.

The McCarville decision beggared belief, I remember there was an article complaining about it about it in one of the following league programs. Small counties always get a raw deal.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 08/11/2017 18:54:43    2061286

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Replying To PolicemanFox:  "If remember correctly the sending off was an(other) Ger Power dive to the ground with hands clutching his face...as if he'd been decapitated when he just been pushed over (or am I thinking of another game entirely). I never liked Power.
Playacting and winning at all costs is nothing new.

Nearly didn't get in to that game because I think about 30,000 more people showed up at the replay than the first one and some of the gates were closed early.

The McCarville decision beggared belief, I remember there was an article complaining about it about it in one of the following league programs. Small counties always get a raw deal."
Then the week after the All Stars, Gerry got sent off in a League game v Armagh and was ineligible for All Star consideration in 1986. The rule that excluded players from All Star nomination if they had a sending off was the stupider ones in GAA history. I remember Dessie Mulligan was in the running for a nomination in 1979 and in the few club league games before the announcement of the nominees he got battered round the place by all and sundry.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 251 - 09/11/2017 10:10:26    2061355

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Replying To sporto:  "Read that article, he seemed to be hinting that he would have got an all star but scarified himself for the team. I'm not sure he was ever going to be more than that type of player, he was certainly never close to an all star in my opinion.

More stylish, technical footballers like Finlay would have been more likely winners. Was Dick ever one of our most important players? I'd say no to be honest."
had to laugh when I read this.. fact of the matter is he was never within an asses roar of ever wining one so pinch of salt reading this article springs to mind...solid presence in the team but regards point taking/fielding and football ability he fell a long way short in the top level stakes..

I agree with the post regarding Gerry mc Carville he was robbed of one, the man was an animal who could mix it with the best of them although most of that great monaghan team in the 80's could so I feel we should have got numerous more all stars

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 190 - 09/11/2017 11:15:56    2061375

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Replying To mick2007:  "had to laugh when I read this.. fact of the matter is he was never within an asses roar of ever wining one so pinch of salt reading this article springs to mind...solid presence in the team but regards point taking/fielding and football ability he fell a long way short in the top level stakes..

I agree with the post regarding Gerry mc Carville he was robbed of one, the man was an animal who could mix it with the best of them although most of that great monaghan team in the 80's could so I feel we should have got numerous more all stars"
You have said what i was thinking. Spot on

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 09/11/2017 11:40:55    2061380

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Replying To Bernardo:  "You have said what i was thinking. Spot on"
for dick to think that he was all star class says a lot about him.....there is plenty of rooters and spoilers like him playing the game at club level never mind county level...

Who do you fancy in the junior and intermediate finals this weeks?
Inniskeen V Carrick
Currin v Seans

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 190 - 09/11/2017 14:02:01    2061399

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Replying To mick2007:  "for dick to think that he was all star class says a lot about him.....there is plenty of rooters and spoilers like him playing the game at club level never mind county level...

Who do you fancy in the junior and intermediate finals this weeks?
Inniskeen V Carrick
Currin v Seans"
Carrick but the junior match will have needle. If seans keep their head you would fancy them but will be close either way.

Hope for a good clean game.

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 09/11/2017 19:06:47    2061453

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If any Monaghan player ever got robbed of an All Star it was Gary McQuaid in '07

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 717 - 11/11/2017 19:59:43    2061745

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Congratulations Currin.

Double winners.

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 240 - 12/11/2017 20:53:20    2061929

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Replying To Adler:  "If any Monaghan player ever got robbed of an All Star it was Gary McQuaid in '07"
Forgot about Gary, spot on!

He had some year in the number 6 that year!

sporto (Monaghan) - Posts: 127 - 13/11/2017 11:33:31    2062039

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Replying To Knoxboya:  "Congratulations Currin.

Double winners."
Only junior double! You would nearly think that currin never anything before. Currin won the league and championship double in 1935. Pat mcgrane, currin's most famous played for currin for awhile.

Might buy a brick to honour his name in the new stand!

Not one person has told me who should have been dropped from the 1985 team to make way for hugo

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 14/11/2017 10:27:36    2062227

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Replying To Bernardo:  "Only junior double! You would nearly think that currin never anything before. Currin won the league and championship double in 1935. Pat mcgrane, currin's most famous played for currin for awhile.

Might buy a brick to honour his name in the new stand!

Not one person has told me who should have been dropped from the 1985 team to make way for hugo"
I told ya. No-one would.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 251 - 14/11/2017 14:33:37    2062291

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "I told ya. No-one would."
Guess your right. What is that saying paper does not refuse ink. Seems very true here.

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 14/11/2017 15:32:31    2062308

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The brick I'm buying says:

"Bernardo loves Currin".

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 240 - 16/11/2017 08:21:33    2062607

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Replying To Knoxboya:  "The brick I'm buying says:

"Bernardo loves Currin"."
Just bought 1 brick and inscribed is bernardo knocks abu. Currin's motto was "currin, sons of st patrick,ever through to faith and fatherland" not enough space to put that on a brick.

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 362 - 10/02/2018 14:29:18    2075411

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Havent' see it so I don't know whethter Dick's article listed the winners?

Nudie (x3) Ciaran Murray, Paddy Linden, Ray McCarron, Tommy Freeman, Conor McManus (x2) and Collie Walsh .

So we've actually won 10 but they're split between 7 players.

I agree about Gary McQuaid in 2007 but for me the most unlucky man that year was Dessie Mone. He marked some of the very best in the game that year and hardly conceded a score.

bluemoon (Monaghan) - Posts: 100 - 20/02/2018 11:56:00    2078691

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