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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Colman cavanagh. Excellent choice at midfield. Was absolutely outstanding against Derry Donegal down and Armagh and the one tyrone man that tried to carry the game to the dubs in the semi. Outrageous catching of the ball all season. The only disgrace is that he has not claiming two in a row as he was disgracefully left out last year. Parsons nowhere near him this year and went missing in second half against dubs"
Why have a go at Parsons. Cavanagh won the All star.
He was the only Tyrone player who showed up v dublin so that's how he won't it. He played sweeper all year but won an all star at midfield. It was more of a Tyrone sympathy vote. Would you like ketchup for that that chip on shoulder.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 671 - 05/11/2017 10:52:06    2060545

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Replying To cavanman47:  "But at time of writing, not 1 Dublin poster had congratulated their players for winning their awards.

(Apart from Mes who I corrected my post for)

There are a LOT of Dublin posters showing that success brings out the worst in some people.

You win some (or many in recent times) and you lose some. Take your defeats with the same level of humility that you take your victories."
The post was about a specific area of the All stars. The most interesting aspect- debating who got what and arguing who should have got what. Irrelevant how many Dublin fans posted on any topic. Sorry but using the 'little more humility' thing should be confined to cliche status. Look at JG. Says very little after the success but yet is branded for not saying enough. He overdone it on the humility thing it seems.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 364 - 05/11/2017 12:22:47    2060558

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The Allstar team has just turned into an acknowledgement of the All ireland finalists and to a much lesser extent the semi-finalists.
If you were picking the best team to represent Ireland you wouldn't select with of the teams picked.
Sentiment seems to play a big part in it.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 923 - 05/11/2017 14:47:58    2060586

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Replying To cavanman47:  "But at time of writing, not 1 Dublin poster had congratulated their players for winning their awards.

(Apart from Mes who I corrected my post for)

There are a LOT of Dublin posters showing that success brings out the worst in some people.

You win some (or many in recent times) and you lose some. Take your defeats with the same level of humility that you take your victories."
Read more than one of two posts before making sweeping generalizations, I didn't congratulate any Dub as I don't see this topic as the normal parochial bullshi7 debate , its about the best players and as a GAA fan that's how I've approached recent topics , others may well be taking the same approach

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5113 - 05/11/2017 16:21:31    2060605

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Perhaps the all star selection should just enforce positions more ,who would you rather in midfield on your team parsons or Kavanagh? As a midfielder parsons is better. In a free defensive role Kavanagh excelled and was very useful just the way Cian o Sullivan was a few years ago but we all remember he was overlooked once even though his sweeping was integral to Dublin. They overlooked him but not Kavanagh. Consistency in position selection would help this. And as a half forward mc gloughlin Doherty Kilkenny were all better than Aidan o sea that said he was still very important for mayos run but is he a top six forward this year? probably not

Player of the year , my candidates were Moran, McCarthy, Boyle,con o Callaghan in that order .those men we're all unbelievable this year. Any of those didn't perform as well and the championship would have been completely different.

royalcounty1 (Meath) - Posts: 14 - 05/11/2017 16:42:31    2060616

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Replying To poguemahone:  "James McCarthy can't do much more for me to get a POTY. At least he got an all star as he was often left out there too. The problem he had was that Dublin won all their matches. No dramatic comebacks or replays. Minimum amount of games so therefore less exposure, a little bit of irony in how you get recognition."
He didnt catch 1 ball in final until seamie o shea went off so was he outstanding i think not as for cluxton clarke was a better goalie over the year i also think jack mccaffery was lucky to get one as wad colm boyle i think keegan was ahead of both of them

mayo_123 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 05/11/2017 21:22:25    2060661

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Replying To mayo_123:  "He didnt catch 1 ball in final until seamie o shea went off so was he outstanding i think not as for cluxton clarke was a better goalie over the year i also think jack mccaffery was lucky to get one as wad colm boyle i think keegan was ahead of both of them"
I thought Boyle and McLoughlin were the players who contributed most to Mayo's cause this year. I would agree with you about McCarthy, don't know how he could have been shortlisted for POTY.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1366 - 05/11/2017 22:53:39    2060679

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Replying To mayo_123:  "He didnt catch 1 ball in final until seamie o shea went off so was he outstanding i think not as for cluxton clarke was a better goalie over the year i also think jack mccaffery was lucky to get one as wad colm boyle i think keegan was ahead of both of them"
So catching the ball has to be quantified as a skill now, fair enough.Imporant to note he caught the ball at the business end of the final. Also had the small matter of knocking over two very fine points as he/Dublin turned the final around. His all round game is excellent and has been excellent for several years now, including this one. An MVP in GAA terms if there was such a recognition.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 364 - 06/11/2017 11:38:27    2060742

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Replying To neverright:  "I thought Boyle and McLoughlin were the players who contributed most to Mayo's cause this year. I would agree with you about McCarthy, don't know how he could have been shortlisted for POTY."
Woud have to question anyone who says that James Mc shouldn't even have been considered for POTY. Are you seriously offering an opinion that you don't think he's that good a player?

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 364 - 06/11/2017 11:40:18    2060744

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Woud have to question anyone who says that James Mc shouldn't even have been considered for POTY. Are you seriously offering an opinion that you don't think he's that good a player?"
I wouldn't worry about it. Most of the people on here didn't play the game past U12 I'd say. Personally I said he was player of the year after the Q final and his performances actually got better after that. Some people cant see past their dislike for certain counties

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2481 - 06/11/2017 14:24:25    2060783

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I wouldn't worry about it. Most of the people on here didn't play the game past U12 I'd say. Personally I said he was player of the year after the Q final and his performances actually got better after that. Some people cant see past their dislike for certain counties"
You're right. I don't taking opinions to heart, just genuinelly surprised that anyone who watched the championship this year could not see the massive contribution from McCarthy. At club level, he's been equally impressive.

It is nothing against Andy Moran's fine performances but McCarthy drove his team on when it mattered. A key reason why Dublin are so hard to beat and the sort of player Managers love to have in their team.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 364 - 06/11/2017 16:09:05    2060817

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Replying To Brianmac78:  "Hitting the red button isnt a discussion girls"
In an all Ireland final that was decided by a single point again! I don't see why the dub posts are so put out. Some of the stuff on social media (disgraceful, serial losers and sympathy) is really low for GAA. Everyone going into the final were saying that Dublin would win because they had a stronger panel of players and that some of the subs were as good as what was going to be playing. In terms of Mayo this fact meant that our 15 were going to have to outplay the dubs 15 and there subs as well. This came to pass when you seen Dublin reaching for the bench at half time! So why do Dublin supporters feel that individually they are miles ahead of the Mayo players. Better yes, and that was proved with the win and the 7 vs 6 selection of All Stars. After winning an All Ireland it seems very bitter. Two teams separated by a single point for two All Ireland finals in a row and Dublin win 7 and Mayo win 6 all stars I don't see what all fuss is about. There are discussions around players every year (Cluxton, Parsons) buts that's all it is not sympathy or disgraceful. For all the players that received awards congratulations to them!!!

As_it_is (Mayo) - Posts: 6 - 06/11/2017 16:13:08    2060820

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Woud have to question anyone who says that James Mc shouldn't even have been considered for POTY. Are you seriously offering an opinion that you don't think he's that good a player?"
The comment is not on his ability as a player but on his performances. As the Mayo poster pointed out, he was outplayed for most of the final but had a strong finish after O'Shea tired and was withdrawn.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1366 - 06/11/2017 22:51:01    2060891

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Replying To neverright:  "The comment is not on his ability as a player but on his performances. As the Mayo poster pointed out, he was outplayed for most of the final but had a strong finish after O'Shea tired and was withdrawn."
He wasn't playing in midfield for most of the final whilst Mayo were dominant in that sector. He went to half back when McCaffrey was taken off injured in the first few minutes.

Mayo's dominance of the midfield area began to wane when McCarthy was moved back there after half time.

It's amazing what people see and don't see from games imo.

In anyways Andy Moran was fully deserving of POTY but to suggest McCarthy was dominated by the Mayo midfield is plainly wrong seeing as it was only in the second half of the game that he was directly up against them and in that second half he was, quite simply, the dominant figure in the match.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12065 - 07/11/2017 10:17:03    2060936

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Replying To Chops:  "For footballer of the year? Kinda agree, Andy was poor up until the replay against Roscommon. From there on he had good games."
Poor with 0-3 from play against Clare (all in the first half when Mayo were under serious pressure) and 0-4 from play against Cork. Hardly class that as poor.

BuffyBoffy (Mayo) - Posts: 244 - 07/11/2017 11:39:27    2060959

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This rubbish still going.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5908 - 07/11/2017 15:30:28    2061013

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "This rubbish still going."
Afraid so , long winter

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5113 - 07/11/2017 17:50:10    2061046

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