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Fergal Lynch ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 15:05:13 2060143 Link 1 |
What's happening to the pride in the Meath jersey and the refusal to give up? I I tell ya McEntee won't give up...
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 15:09:14 2060146 Link 1 |
Have your say, only giving my opinion.. What do you think is the problem? ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 15:22:32 2060150 Link 0 |
With all due respect to the players of the 1970s/80s, there was no such thing as S&C coaches, dieticians, etc. back then. The commitment and dedication required back then, while definitely substantial, was not as much as it is now (as is evidenced by the lack of county dual players anymore). They put their bodies on the line at the moment and a lot of them are giving up a good chunk of their early 20s for the cause. They have lives to live. They have a career to try and establish once they leave college. I'm not sure but I can't see a lot of the players from the teams from the glory days going on to do masters degrees or the likes. It's very easy for fans and journalists to complain about players not committing to the team, but they're not the ones training ridiculous numbers of times, doing solo gym sessions, watching what they eat constantly all the while trying to earn a half decent living. If they don't feel like the commitment is worth it, then it's no one else's business. Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 03/11/2017 15:43:25 2060158 Link 2 |
But Ziggy this player unhappiness was flagged in the summer and is no surprise to anyone who talked to players. You claim to be such a person, let's hear you thoughts as why we're seeing such an exodus this year. And here's a hint: it's nothing to do with the last manager. manof93 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 03/11/2017 16:04:43 2060162 Link 3 |
All the players who have been confirmed so far have been expected and rumoured for a long time, Jones has been gone since Mid August i think. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 03/11/2017 17:01:17 2060180 Link 2 |
I would welcome an imput from one of the Meath greats Colm O Rourke.This man owes us nothing. A fine analyst. Straight talker. [Maybe too direct for some] I am very surprised at his lack of comment on Meath football. It was rumoured that some time in the past he said it as he saw it, Our lack of vision, and development for the future etc. was a major concern for him. Then it was rumoured that he was one of the 3 wise men that was going to help us get out of purgatory.Was it all rumour??? Then 3 wise men gone ....,or are they? What do they do? Then we lose Shane o Rourke {maybe injured} amongst others. Now we lose Paddy o Rourke. Seems this is not just about what players might make themselves available or unavailable. It is bigger than that.and maybe what we see are symptoms only of a problem that requires honest and couragous assesment. Its over simplistic to say we just dont have the players at present. We are stuck in a time warp somewhere in the past. We have not adapted to the modern game .We have not adapted to modern day coaching. Why are we mentally fragile when needed? Some of that can be explained by a coach who is learning on the job,and needs more time to develop. He never even had the a settled panel to work with. All contributory factors no doubt. The big problem is the apparent lack of vision for Meath football...If the need to address that by establishing the 3 wise men idea just a few years ago was seen then, it is even more of a need now. What happened since Colm ? btw Colm thanks a million for all you have done for us in the past especially repeatedly showing us what Meath football is all about . Shoulder to the wheel one more time to get us out of the shit ,as you have done so often before. That will take time.but thats ok as long as we accept that we cannot go on as we are and HOPE things will improve.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 03/11/2017 17:15:06 2060186 Link 0 |
I would agree with you on that- guys complaining probably never played the game
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/11/2017 17:37:23 2060197 Link 3 |
Lads are not getting on with management same as when is was over the minors. SS6 (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 03/11/2017 18:02:39 2060201 Link 3 |
You have proved my point
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 18:10:07 2060202 Link 1 |
Exactly! The players got away with murder under MOD, they were very comfortable and would have preferred him to stay. Andy who has a good track record comes in,rocks the boat and wants to get the best out of Meath football and you tell me the players are crying over it? ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 18:18:43 2060206 Link 1 |
What I have tried to highlight ,Meath players are soft,they have had plenty of chances to prove otherwise,but some here seem to be suggesting that the manager is too tough and players are moaning. Fine,I will support the players willing to put in the dedication required. ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 18:21:38 2060207 Link 1 |
I rarely have an issue with a lad dropping off the panel or retiring seemingly early, the commitment is huge, you have to make a lot of personal sacrifices and ultimately it doesn't put food on the table, it's all for the love of the game. Maybe some of the lads don't like McEntee or maybe they do and they're dropping off the panel for entirely separate reasons, who knows, we can only speculate. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/11/2017 19:05:27 2060216 Link 2 |
Oh I agree, but my issue is people here suggesting that players are leaving the panel because they are not happy with Andys methods,if that is true,those players are soft and would probably just prefer to go through the motions much like the last regime. Two players I have talked to are delighted with the setup which probably shows the attitude and will to try and succeed. ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 19:13:56 2060219 Link 1 |
More about his lack of toughness when it came to certain players!
manof93 (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 03/11/2017 19:38:20 2060222 Link 1 |
Always liked paddy..Dont blame him for leaving one bit with the clowns on this abusing him.. grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 03/11/2017 19:59:55 2060229 Link 0 |
I'm with you on this ziggy, I doubt many lads are leaving the panel just because of McEntee and if that is the case then they probably are a bit soft. My post is aimed at those who are already berating McEntee or at the very least are suggesting that MOD was no worse. McEntee is only a year into the job and he's picked up a shattered mess left behind since Eamon O'Brien was ousted. Basically I think these lads need to give McEntee a chance, he needs time to try and get things going again. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/11/2017 20:02:49 2060230 Link 2 |
Absolutely and I really don't understand why a lot of people fail to understand this
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 20:22:11 2060236 Link 1 |
Why ? Would you not question some of the players?
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 03/11/2017 20:26:13 2060238 Link 1 |
That word the set up,what has this set up different to the last set up. They do the same physical training eating the same meals after training, games.gym work speed work stretching s/c etc. my point is the language that's used communicating to the players getting a family all together feel to the squad is what's required. Dubs have it regardless of talent.set ups will not make diddly squat unless management has the team,panel goin happy in the one direction.is this what's happening at moment I don't know neither does anyone else on here.but rumours of ruling with iron fist doesn't work on modern player, keeping them happy grounded humble loving goin to train will thou. Here's hoping this is what's goin to come for us.
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 03/11/2017 21:13:04 2060272 Link 1 |