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Replying To Belt:  "Any word on who got let go from the panel? Seen on the Club championship thread a couple of Simonstown lads have gone."
The words let go , are misleading , My understanding is that they left the panel of their own choice , as they weren't happy with the recent decisions to prevent players from going back to their clubs before he club championships . Or the hidden way that it was been done . A lot of Clubs/Club Managers not happy with situation .

Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 13/04/2018 10:18:45    2092756

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Lads seriously not 1 intercounty team is stopping training for the month of April, no intercounty competitive games does not mean that it is packed up entirely.... what would be the point training in October and not in April, players have been made available to the clubs to play the championship and as far as I know they will train the week of the champ games with their clubs, not see the issue in this. Said it many times before, if a player does not feel 100% committed to the panel then they are right to step away.

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 13/04/2018 10:52:41    2092766

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Replying To longroadback:  "Lads seriously not 1 intercounty team is stopping training for the month of April, no intercounty competitive games does not mean that it is packed up entirely.... what would be the point training in October and not in April, players have been made available to the clubs to play the championship and as far as I know they will train the week of the champ games with their clubs, not see the issue in this. Said it many times before, if a player does not feel 100% committed to the panel then they are right to step away."
Come on now, the lads would be training with their clubs, not like they would be going away and doing nothing for the 3 weeks. The Dublin players are all with their clubs this past few week and are until they get back,

We dont have a match until the end of May so to say the Andy needs the players this week, then you need to ask the question of what was done up to now.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 13/04/2018 11:25:09    2092775

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah. I would agree. Just not ready for it this year."
Conlon along with Seanie Tobin and Rooney were all treated poorly by the Meath management team this year. Meath's loss is most certainly their club's gain
Huge pressure on Andy going into the Longford game. He has already failed on his number one target this year - promotion.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 13/04/2018 11:38:50    2092781

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We aren't Dublin, we need to peak for Longford at end of May - not the Super 8s in August. It's right they are still training with county, you can't risk players going back to their clubs for 3 or 4 weeks. Same intensity/workload won't be in club training.

The current situation is how it should be once players are released to the clubs the week before a championship game. Was this not the case?

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 13/04/2018 11:42:04    2092783

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Conlon along with Seanie Tobin and Rooney were all treated poorly by the Meath management team this year. Meath's loss is most certainly their club's gain
Huge pressure on Andy going into the Longford game. He has already failed on his number one target this year - promotion."
100% agree. We're under huge pressure going to Longford. No disrespect but this is the poorest Meath squad we've had in years. Longford have a proud record in Pearse Park and we'll be doing well to beat them.

ISupposeSoSheehan (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 13/04/2018 11:52:53    2092787

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Replying To Belt:  "Clubs were never promised full access to their players, I definitely didn't see that anywhere. It was just that April would be free of competitive county action to allow club games to go ahead.

Were people actually naive enough to think any county manager is going to send their panel back to their clubs for 3 or 4 weeks?"
It's common knowledge that clubs were told that they would have their county players available to train with them during April. Obviously they don't have full access to their players now. Fair enough if they've a balance between club and county training for the four weeks.

Toney (Meath) - Posts: 298 - 13/04/2018 12:03:50    2092793

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Every county is training. Every single one. But in Meath it's a chance for some to have a go at Andy."
Dublin and Kerry aren't...Kilkenny hurlers either so no every one! Just the ones under huge pressure which is sadly us after failing at getting our main aim for 2018

meathforsam09 (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 13/04/2018 12:10:40    2092797

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Replying To Meath_True:  "The words let go , are misleading , My understanding is that they left the panel of their own choice , as they weren't happy with the recent decisions to prevent players from going back to their clubs before he club championships . Or the hidden way that it was been done . A lot of Clubs/Club Managers not happy with situation ."
Whats hidden about County team training in Dunganny on Wednesday night with 2 Club Championship games going ahead at same time !!

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 13/04/2018 12:13:17    2092798

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Only defence Ill give is that Seniors usually train Tuesday Thursday, but changed to Wednesday this week as most clubs train Tuesday Thursday too. Thus, allowing players to train with both club and county. I understand it was supposed to be a county free period, but most clubs still had their players at training.

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 13/04/2018 12:15:34    2092800

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Replying To meathforsam09:  "Dublin and Kerry aren't...Kilkenny hurlers either so no every one! Just the ones under huge pressure which is sadly us after failing at getting our main aim for 2018"
Kildare, longford, Westmeath, Louth, Armagh, Tyrone mayo , how are we ever gonna close the gap if we keep to secondhand attitude? Honestly wtf is wrong with senior team training? Let's be honest our club scene is worse than county team in Leinster as has been proved year after year by the abysmal showing in Leinster. Perhaps this might actually help clubs ?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:16:20    2092801

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Replying To Brownepat:  "
Replying To Meath_True:  "The words let go , are misleading , My understanding is that they left the panel of their own choice , as they weren't happy with the recent decisions to prevent players from going back to their clubs before he club championships . Or the hidden way that it was been done . A lot of Clubs/Club Managers not happy with situation ."
Whats hidden about County team training in Dunganny on Wednesday night with 2 Club Championship games going ahead at same time !!"
There's nothing hidden at all. Also that 20 other counties (many at higher level than us are doing exactly the same. Let's be honest if they not wanting to put in the effort. Then we better off without them.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:19:07    2092802

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Replying To Belt:  "We aren't Dublin, we need to peak for Longford at end of May - not the Super 8s in August. It's right they are still training with county, you can't risk players going back to their clubs for 3 or 4 weeks. Same intensity/workload won't be in club training.

The current situation is how it should be once players are released to the clubs the week before a championship game. Was this not the case?"
Well said.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:20:02    2092803

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Replying To TakeYourPoints6:  "Only defence Ill give is that Seniors usually train Tuesday Thursday, but changed to Wednesday this week as most clubs train Tuesday Thursday too. Thus, allowing players to train with both club and county. I understand it was supposed to be a county free period, but most clubs still had their players at training."
But every county is doing the same.
I have a feeling that if Andy wasn't doing this these same people would be cribbing about how he doesn't know what he is doing. He can't win , with a very few but vocal minority

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:35:17    2092810

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Our all Ireland Final is in 6 weeks time, to suggest that we should not be training now is utter nonsense, Monaghan players are training with Monaghan during the week and playing for the clubs at the weekend, Dublin could now win Leinster without training at all together, they need to peak in August we need to peak in May, that is the reality

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 324 - 13/04/2018 12:36:18    2092811

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Replying To Meathmaverick:  "Tobin conlon dardis toner and Rooney all gone on there own accord"
Would any of them started against longford? Maybe Tobin. ? But

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:39:11    2092812

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Replying To Belt:  "We aren't Dublin, we need to peak for Longford at end of May - not the Super 8s in August. It's right they are still training with county, you can't risk players going back to their clubs for 3 or 4 weeks. Same intensity/workload won't be in club training.

The current situation is how it should be once players are released to the clubs the week before a championship game. Was this not the case?"
Apparently some people are that naive.
I would have been absolutely fuming if Andy had not done any training for 4 weeks. Oh just to clarify Dublin are also training, so now it's up to mid 20s of county teams still training. But by some reckoning we shouldn't be??? And then people wonder why we have fallen so far if that is some people attitude.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 13/04/2018 12:43:13    2092813

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Kildare, longford, Westmeath, Louth, Armagh, Tyrone mayo , how are we ever gonna close the gap if we keep to secondhand attitude? Honestly wtf is wrong with senior team training? Let's be honest our club scene is worse than county team in Leinster as has been proved year after year by the abysmal showing in Leinster. Perhaps this might actually help clubs ?"
The only thing that will help clubs is a change in championship structure and its as simple as that. The two rounds in April are as pedestrian as they come because they don't mean as much. Teams can afford to lose and still qualify once they peak in August. This is not just my opinion, its the opinion of a lot of the players in my club and I can guarantee from speaking to them, at least 8 other clubs in the senior ranks. This is also the attitude from some lads on the county panel aswell playing with their clubs and its hard to see how this doesn't transpire to the county sety up. 16 teams, 4 groups of 4 and every game matters then, until this happens and the club scene gains a competitive nature all year round I can't see the county set up pushing onwards.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 13/04/2018 13:08:05    2092817

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Conlon along with Seanie Tobin and Rooney were all treated poorly by the Meath management team this year. Meath's loss is most certainly their club's gain
Huge pressure on Andy going into the Longford game. He has already failed on his number one target this year - promotion."
Conlon and Rooney have hardly set the world alight when given their chance this year. Tobin-exceptional off the bench but not so good when starting. No shame in that.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 13/04/2018 13:10:18    2092819

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Kildare, longford, Westmeath, Louth, Armagh, Tyrone mayo , how are we ever gonna close the gap if we keep to secondhand attitude? Honestly wtf is wrong with senior team training? Let's be honest our club scene is worse than county team in Leinster as has been proved year after year by the abysmal showing in Leinster. Perhaps this might actually help clubs ?"
You really haven't got a clue. Tell me in what way does denying clubs access to their players help them? Our club scene is one of the worst in Leinster and that's mainly down to the out of date championship format we have in place and the county management's disregard for the clubs over the years.

Royalblufill's post on the club thread: "the clubs are the foundation - but are being treated badly. The clubs should be allowed have their county players for the build up to championship games without the players feeling under pressure to do nights with the county! We need a strong Championship in order to develop players into strong county players!" I couldn't have put it better myself. The clubs are the foundation of the GAA.

From living over in Mullingar you've no attachment to any club in this county (you might have played cards over in Pairc Ui Ris or the Ballinabrackey Pavillion on a few occasions) so that explains your stance on this. You're only interested in the Meath senior football team and protecting Andy McEntee from criticism on here. You will try and find positives from the most negative situations. For instance this morning it was posted that Sean Tobin, Brian Conlon, Barry Dardis, David Toner and Harry Rooney were no longer part of the county panel. Players being axed from a county panel is different but players opting out of the set up mid season is bad news but you suggested that they probably wouldn't start against Longford anyway... Laughable.

Toney (Meath) - Posts: 298 - 13/04/2018 13:29:17    2092829

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