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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "If all the players Meath have pulling out serious questions surely must be asked about the manager?
When players were leaving panel under previous manager yer forum was full lads slating manager left right and centre some reason McEntee even with a disasterous year last year is excempt from blame" Very true maybe the questions he's asking are to much for these lads to commit too.regardless he just push on maybe the youth now will bring us b progression.interesting year ahead lets hope for good one.
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 14/12/2017 13:21:42
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Replying To Reco: "Very true maybe the questions he's asking are to much for these lads to commit too.regardless he just push on maybe the youth now will bring us b progression.interesting year ahead lets hope for good one." McEntee isn't exempt from blame but he hasn't the talent at his disposal.
I think Meath fans are starting to finally realise that tradition doesn't give you a devine right to have 15-20 top class inter county footballers. Look at Offaly Hurling for example... we are going to have barren spells of poor teams. Hurlers are experiencing the opposite at the moment having not been in Liam McCarthy for 15 odd years, things swing in roundabouts
overthehill72 (Meath) - Posts: 334 - 14/12/2017 14:36:50
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http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2017/12/13/4149721-mcentee-finalising-panel-ahead-of-obyrne-cup-opener/
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 14/12/2017 14:43:51
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This year could possibly be the worst in 40 years by the look of it..Meath Football is very low at the min..
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 14/12/2017 16:46:39
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Replying To overthehill72: "McEntee isn't exempt from blame but he hasn't the talent at his disposal.
I think Meath fans are starting to finally realise that tradition doesn't give you a devine right to have 15-20 top class inter county footballers. Look at Offaly Hurling for example... we are going to have barren spells of poor teams. Hurlers are experiencing the opposite at the moment having not been in Liam McCarthy for 15 odd years, things swing in roundabouts" How many retired when micko finished my point is he prob brought in who he wanted but did he not have the same set up as micko did.players wise
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 14/12/2017 17:51:36
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Lads what are your thoughts on introducing Ben Brennan onto the panel?
Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 627 - 14/12/2017 18:46:01
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Not sure why we are overly pessimistic to be honest..
How many genuine first team or really important players have we lost? Most counties are missing players. Rooney is back, McKeever added,Conlon in from the start. We still have the likes of Keoghan,Menton,McGill,O'Sullivan etc.If Rowe is added he will give us something different.
Then the likes of James McEntee and Thomas O'Reilly are getting better and have had good club seasons.
I actually think we are stronger than last year, but would that suit the agenda?
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Replying To Loyalroyal17: "Lads what are your thoughts on introducing Ben Brennan onto the panel?" On the panel, yes.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 14/12/2017 19:31:21
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Replying To ziggy320001: "Not sure why we are overly pessimistic to be honest..
How many genuine first team or really important players have we lost? Most counties are missing players. Rooney is back, McKeever added,Conlon in from the start. We still have the likes of Keoghan,Menton,McGill,O'Sullivan etc.If Rowe is added he will give us something different.
Then the likes of James McEntee and Thomas O'Reilly are getting better and have had good club seasons.
I actually think we are stronger than last year, but would that suit the agenda?" How Are we Stronger this year??
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 14/12/2017 22:23:13
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Replying To grahamc9897: "How Are we Stronger this year??" Like he said lads like James McEntee (23), Thomas O'Reilly and Brían Conlon (21), Cillian O'Sullivan (23) coming off his rookie county season basically and Conor McGill (24). You'd expect all of them all lads to improve with their age profiles. Podge McKeever club player of the year committing to the team also helps. You'd expect David Toner to make the leap up from the junior team after a good year with Curraha. Also Rooney would be a massive addition if back. Now if we look at the lads we lost. 1. Jones is a very good prospect and played well against Louth but was completely dominated by Kildare and then got injured against Sligo, didn't play a minute of the league (ditto to Conlon and O'Reilly) imo he will end up a great county number 10 not midfield. 2. Newman, didn't play a minute of the league and never made a championship start last year. Hasn't looked the same since 2013. Would have been nice to have but isn't a net negative from last year as he wasn't there. 3. Toher, another lad who played well against Louth but was found out against Kildare. I don't think he is that much of a loss at all really. 4. O'Coilean, people calling him an impact sub. He made an impact against Kildare in a game when we were 9 points down when he came on. He was a good football and an attacking half forward which is the one thing we actually have. 5 This brings me to the last 2 lads Harnan and Paddy who I actually do think are losses. Harnan while not being a world beater is a very solid defender and we haven't many of them, when he came back for the league last year he did improve things. And Paddy the biggest loss of all, when people called for his head last year and admittedly some of the mistakes were terrible I kept saying we have nobody else. I am hearing he'll go with McDermott who was a great keeper at minor in 2016 and a brilliant shot stopper but he can not kick the ball to the 65, which with our midfield struggles might actually suit us.
This brings me to the team for next year, something like 1. McDermott, 2. Burke, 3. McGill, 4. Keoghan, 5. Power, 6. Conlon 7. Shane McEntee, 8. Menton, 9. Rooney, 10. James McEntee, 11. Cillian O'Sullivan, 12. Graham Reilly, 13. McKeever, 14. Thomas O'Reilly, 15. Donal Lenihan.
Is it a perfect team ? no it isn't. Is it worse than last year ? If McDermott can prove he is a county standard keeper I think it's actually better.
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 14/12/2017 23:55:07
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Replying To Reco: "How many retired when micko finished my point is he prob brought in who he wanted but did he not have the same set up as micko did.players wise" How many did retire when MOD finished? I can't think of any significant ones. Rooney and Tormey are the only 2 significant panelists I can think of from 2016 unavailable in 2017, but they are too young to be described as retired.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 15/12/2017 00:58:50
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Replying To grahamc9897: "How Are we Stronger this year??" I just explained so...
How are we not?
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 15/12/2017 07:35:10
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Like he said lads like James McEntee (23), Thomas O'Reilly and Brían Conlon (21), Cillian O'Sullivan (23) coming off his rookie county season basically and Conor McGill (24). You'd expect all of them all lads to improve with their age profiles. Podge McKeever club player of the year committing to the team also helps. You'd expect David Toner to make the leap up from the junior team after a good year with Curraha. Also Rooney would be a massive addition if back. Now if we look at the lads we lost. 1. Jones is a very good prospect and played well against Louth but was completely dominated by Kildare and then got injured against Sligo, didn't play a minute of the league (ditto to Conlon and O'Reilly) imo he will end up a great county number 10 not midfield. 2. Newman, didn't play a minute of the league and never made a championship start last year. Hasn't looked the same since 2013. Would have been nice to have but isn't a net negative from last year as he wasn't there. 3. Toher, another lad who played well against Louth but was found out against Kildare. I don't think he is that much of a loss at all really. 4. O'Coilean, people calling him an impact sub. He made an impact against Kildare in a game when we were 9 points down when he came on. He was a good football and an attacking half forward which is the one thing we actually have. 5 This brings me to the last 2 lads Harnan and Paddy who I actually do think are losses. Harnan while not being a world beater is a very solid defender and we haven't many of them, when he came back for the league last year he did improve things. And Paddy the biggest loss of all, when people called for his head last year and admittedly some of the mistakes were terrible I kept saying we have nobody else. I am hearing he'll go with McDermott who was a great keeper at minor in 2016 and a brilliant shot stopper but he can not kick the ball to the 65, which with our midfield struggles might actually suit us.
This brings me to the team for next year, something like 1. McDermott, 2. Burke, 3. McGill, 4. Keoghan, 5. Power, 6. Conlon 7. Shane McEntee, 8. Menton, 9. Rooney, 10. James McEntee, 11. Cillian O'Sullivan, 12. Graham Reilly, 13. McKeever, 14. Thomas O'Reilly, 15. Donal Lenihan.
Is it a perfect team ? no it isn't. Is it worse than last year ? If McDermott can prove he is a county standard keeper I think it's actually better." Exactly just couldn't be arsed explaining the obvious. :)
Plus Tormey,Forde may be back later and don't forget about Tobin..
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Replying To CastleBravo: "How many did retire when MOD finished? I can't think of any significant ones. Rooney and Tormey are the only 2 significant panelists I can think of from 2016 unavailable in 2017, but they are too young to be described as retired." Ok so it pretty much same team as micko then??
Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 15/12/2017 10:22:05
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Replying To ziggy320001: " Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Like he said lads like James McEntee (23), Thomas O'Reilly and Brían Conlon (21), Cillian O'Sullivan (23) coming off his rookie county season basically and Conor McGill (24). You'd expect all of them all lads to improve with their age profiles. Podge McKeever club player of the year committing to the team also helps. You'd expect David Toner to make the leap up from the junior team after a good year with Curraha. Also Rooney would be a massive addition if back. Now if we look at the lads we lost. 1. Jones is a very good prospect and played well against Louth but was completely dominated by Kildare and then got injured against Sligo, didn't play a minute of the league (ditto to Conlon and O'Reilly) imo he will end up a great county number 10 not midfield. 2. Newman, didn't play a minute of the league and never made a championship start last year. Hasn't looked the same since 2013. Would have been nice to have but isn't a net negative from last year as he wasn't there. 3. Toher, another lad who played well against Louth but was found out against Kildare. I don't think he is that much of a loss at all really. 4. O'Coilean, people calling him an impact sub. He made an impact against Kildare in a game when we were 9 points down when he came on. He was a good football and an attacking half forward which is the one thing we actually have. 5 This brings me to the last 2 lads Harnan and Paddy who I actually do think are losses. Harnan while not being a world beater is a very solid defender and we haven't many of them, when he came back for the league last year he did improve things. And Paddy the biggest loss of all, when people called for his head last year and admittedly some of the mistakes were terrible I kept saying we have nobody else. I am hearing he'll go with McDermott who was a great keeper at minor in 2016 and a brilliant shot stopper but he can not kick the ball to the 65, which with our midfield struggles might actually suit us.
This brings me to the team for next year, something like 1. McDermott, 2. Burke, 3. McGill, 4. Keoghan, 5. Power, 6. Conlon 7. Shane McEntee, 8. Menton, 9. Rooney, 10. James McEntee, 11. Cillian O'Sullivan, 12. Graham Reilly, 13. McKeever, 14. Thomas O'Reilly, 15. Donal Lenihan.
Is it a perfect team ? no it isn't. Is it worse than last year ? If McDermott can prove he is a county standard keeper I think it's actually better." Exactly just couldn't be arsed explaining the obvious. :) Plus Tormey,Forde may be back later and don't forget about Tobin.."
Midfield wise if one of them was to get injured then very little cover by the look of it..Backs quality looks very thin also
Paddy and Harnan are huge losses,Rory not so much in fairness..Jones could have progressed this year pity to see him go..Now in fairness the team that you picked looks ok,very interseting to see who is actually on the panel this year
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 15/12/2017 11:07:00
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Donnacha Tobin gone too?
TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 15/12/2017 12:24:31
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Yes Donnacha Tobin has left the panel
nmsmithy96 (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 15/12/2017 14:49:12
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Like he said lads like James McEntee (23), Thomas O'Reilly and Brían Conlon (21), Cillian O'Sullivan (23) coming off his rookie county season basically and Conor McGill (24). You'd expect all of them all lads to improve with their age profiles. Podge McKeever club player of the year committing to the team also helps. You'd expect David Toner to make the leap up from the junior team after a good year with Curraha. Also Rooney would be a massive addition if back. Now if we look at the lads we lost. 1. Jones is a very good prospect and played well against Louth but was completely dominated by Kildare and then got injured against Sligo, didn't play a minute of the league (ditto to Conlon and O'Reilly) imo he will end up a great county number 10 not midfield. 2. Newman, didn't play a minute of the league and never made a championship start last year. Hasn't looked the same since 2013. Would have been nice to have but isn't a net negative from last year as he wasn't there. 3. Toher, another lad who played well against Louth but was found out against Kildare. I don't think he is that much of a loss at all really. 4. O'Coilean, people calling him an impact sub. He made an impact against Kildare in a game when we were 9 points down when he came on. He was a good football and an attacking half forward which is the one thing we actually have. 5 This brings me to the last 2 lads Harnan and Paddy who I actually do think are losses. Harnan while not being a world beater is a very solid defender and we haven't many of them, when he came back for the league last year he did improve things. And Paddy the biggest loss of all, when people called for his head last year and admittedly some of the mistakes were terrible I kept saying we have nobody else. I am hearing he'll go with McDermott who was a great keeper at minor in 2016 and a brilliant shot stopper but he can not kick the ball to the 65, which with our midfield struggles might actually suit us.
This brings me to the team for next year, something like 1. McDermott, 2. Burke, 3. McGill, 4. Keoghan, 5. Power, 6. Conlon 7. Shane McEntee, 8. Menton, 9. Rooney, 10. James McEntee, 11. Cillian O'Sullivan, 12. Graham Reilly, 13. McKeever, 14. Thomas O'Reilly, 15. Donal Lenihan.
Is it a perfect team ? no it isn't. Is it worse than last year ? If McDermott can prove he is a county standard keeper I think it's actually better." I think you are missing the point entirely here LeitrimRoyal99. It's very much a squad game. What Meath need is the best available players in the county fighting tooth and nail to get into the team in every training session. There's no motivation like a direct competitor for your position sprinting out ahead of you in training.
All the great teams like the current Dubs or the Kilkenny team from a few years back have stories about legendary training games, better than anything they play in the early rounds of the Championship and how much competition there is for places etc. Anthony Moyles wrote a great article about it in the Chronicle a few years back.
With all of the absenteeism and call offs the quality of the squad is bound to diminish. This causes Meath to be weaker overall.
Andy's stated goal for this year, all of his focus, is getting into D1. We'll know soon if he's made a team that's up to the task but the omens aren't looking good.
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No point in trying to manufacture optimism for the near future...... Facts are talent is very very limited indeed. I dont think any Meath player would get a place on Dublin, Mayo or Kerry teams at present . We have maybe 6 players at intercounty championship level at best now. We have a manager learning on the job ( who i fully support at this point ) .He has a massive task mainly in changing a culture that has crept into Meath in the last 15 years. Mentally fragile. accepting mediocrity (just read some posts on here for example) We are better than last year ? joke . We are in a negative spiral going down further each year. Andy Mc Entee may assist greatly if we can find about 10 players. Then either himself or someone else can lay the foundation of a new culture mainly focussing on mental coaching Proper pride in the jersey, belief, effort and sacrifice, will and determination. ETC ETC. Without this attitude forget it.
Comments like" stay at home if your critical " ." Some supporters wish Meath not to do well because of some agenda" are rubbish and not worthy of attention or comment. It will be a very long haul because we are starting at the very bottom and changing a culture or dealing with a virus takes time.... Best of luck to Andy and the lads . You fully deserve the honour to try to bring Meathy football back from the dead.....well almost !!
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1223 - 15/12/2017 17:32:27
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Dan Queeney (Na Fianna) has also in the past week or so dropped himself off the panel.
RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 15/12/2017 17:49:08
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