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I am hearing whispers of an U19 competition too which I believe some counties already run with. Minor Board meeting next week I believe which should put it all to bed. Planning report to follow with details of competition structures. Clock is ticking as Minor started last year in early Feb and still weren't completed in time for exams.

BigSur (Westmeath) - 05/01/2018 17:04:05    2066983

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I see footballl planning report for 2018 emailed this week has U21 club changed to Under 20, with same knock out format as previous years.

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - 05/01/2018 22:11:25    2067023

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any updates on this?

martyW (Westmeath) - 10/01/2018 16:47:05    2067669

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Change from U21 to U20 ratified at Co Board meeting tonight.
Minor board meeting Thurs 11th to sort out younger age groups.
Anything could happen !

BigSur (Westmeath) - 10/01/2018 23:32:20    2067740

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Replying To BigSur:  "Change from U21 to U20 ratified at Co Board meeting tonight.
Minor board meeting Thurs 11th to sort out younger age groups.
Anything could happen !"
Is this for both codes ?

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - 11/01/2018 13:53:00    2067801

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the minor board have had 6 months to decide on this
they must have been waiting for the new county chairman

valley84 (Westmeath) - 11/01/2018 18:08:55    2067852

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Any decisions from last night?

upyabhoy (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 10:41:17    2067927

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All stays the same 14, 16, 18. Some clubs said they would not be able to field, so called strong clubs at that.

rogerdodger (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 10:44:22    2067930

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I was told that last night's meeting couldn't decide and it has been referred to senior board ?
With regard to hurling, I believe the club U21 remains which is in line with the county grade and it's only the football that has changed to U20.

BigSur (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 11:50:35    2067945

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Replying To rogerdodger:  "All stays the same 14, 16, 18. Some clubs said they would not be able to field, so called strong clubs at that."
they'd rather amalgamate clubs than help them with some coaching and development work

valley84 (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 12:49:33    2067952

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The vast majority of clubs at last nights meeting voiced their preference to maintain the status quo and retain Under 14, 16 & 18.
It was pointed out that 10 of the other Leinster Counties had already accepted the changes but the clubs in Westmeath are not in favour of changing at this time. It may be forced upon us from 2019 by Croke Park.
There was no vote or decision taken on the issue last night as the Minor Board is only a sub-committee and can only form a proposal to the Senior Board for ratification. Although in saying there was no vote, the meeting was asked if there were any clubs in favour of the change but there was no response.
It is up to the club minor board delegates to relay the feelings of the clubs to their senior counterparts to ensure the clubs choice is accepted by the County Committee.

tazz (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 12:53:21    2067953

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Replying To tazz:  "The vast majority of clubs at last nights meeting voiced their preference to maintain the status quo and retain Under 14, 16 & 18.
It was pointed out that 10 of the other Leinster Counties had already accepted the changes but the clubs in Westmeath are not in favour of changing at this time. It may be forced upon us from 2019 by Croke Park.
There was no vote or decision taken on the issue last night as the Minor Board is only a sub-committee and can only form a proposal to the Senior Board for ratification. Although in saying there was no vote, the meeting was asked if there were any clubs in favour of the change but there was no response.
It is up to the club minor board delegates to relay the feelings of the clubs to their senior counterparts to ensure the clubs choice is accepted by the County Committee."
Tazz I believe you are mistaken. There was a vote in the room regarding the change in football to U20. A number of clubs but certainly not the majority expressed their preference to remain with existing underage structures. The county Chairman suggested that at Thursday's underage meeting they will discuss the potential planning for both scenarios and as suggested by a member of the board the clubs will be presented a plan for ratification at a future date. The impression given at the top table is that Westmeath will move in a similar direction to the majority of Leinster counties hence changing to the new age structures. The assumption is that this will become a mandate from Croke Park for 2019.

fizzygravy (USA) - 12/01/2018 13:52:43    2067963

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Replying To fizzygravy:  "Tazz I believe you are mistaken. There was a vote in the room regarding the change in football to U20. A number of clubs but certainly not the majority expressed their preference to remain with existing underage structures. The county Chairman suggested that at Thursday's underage meeting they will discuss the potential planning for both scenarios and as suggested by a member of the board the clubs will be presented a plan for ratification at a future date. The impression given at the top table is that Westmeath will move in a similar direction to the majority of Leinster counties hence changing to the new age structures. The assumption is that this will become a mandate from Croke Park for 2019."
so the adult board will go against the wishes of the majority of underage clubs

valley84 (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 17:18:46    2067993

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Replying To valley84:  "so the adult board will go against the wishes of the majority of underage clubs"
My understanding is that clubs will have the final say. Similar to the senior, a planning report is to be drafted and then put to the clubs. It makes some sense to have a proposed schedule up for discussion rather than a complete open forum without a focal point.

fizzygravy (USA) - 12/01/2018 18:49:13    2068010

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At the meeting last night, only a handful of clubs spoke against it mainly bigger clubs with strong Minor teams this year, 3 or 4 from lomans spoke, 2 from shamrocks,Athlone, Caulry,Moate and 1 or 2 others and a couple of wafflers, no one was going to speak up for it in that atmosphere last night.now it's gone back to the Feb Executive meeting for a vote and a underage planning meeting next week !!
Can't understand why they ratified the U20 the night before when the were considering an U18/19 competition !!
Why they didnt send out proposals for a proper U18/19 competition with provisional dates and set final dates so clubs could make an informed choice.
Fixtures are going to be chaotic when the county U17 squad are playing affecting U16/U18 Club competition and the Club's will be blamed when we go 6/8 weeks without football
For the record I'd be in favour for changing after last night's meeting only if there is a meaningful/competitive football for our 17/18 yr olds as a transition to adult football

Best of luck to Niall O Brien the new minor Chairman

Westmeathgeal (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 19:41:58    2068027

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Replying To Westmeathgeal:  "At the meeting last night, only a handful of clubs spoke against it mainly bigger clubs with strong Minor teams this year, 3 or 4 from lomans spoke, 2 from shamrocks,Athlone, Caulry,Moate and 1 or 2 others and a couple of wafflers, no one was going to speak up for it in that atmosphere last night.now it's gone back to the Feb Executive meeting for a vote and a underage planning meeting next week !!
Can't understand why they ratified the U20 the night before when the were considering an U18/19 competition !!
Why they didnt send out proposals for a proper U18/19 competition with provisional dates and set final dates so clubs could make an informed choice.
Fixtures are going to be chaotic when the county U17 squad are playing affecting U16/U18 Club competition and the Club's will be blamed when we go 6/8 weeks without football
For the record I'd be in favour for changing after last night's meeting only if there is a meaningful/competitive football for our 17/18 yr olds as a transition to adult football

Best of luck to Niall O Brien the new minor Chairman"
So it will probably be March at the earliest before clubs know where they stand?? This is ridiculous stuff. How are clubs supposed to plan out their year and name bainisteors for each grade when they don't know what grades they will be competing in? Why was this not done in September or October?

Chops (Westmeath) - 12/01/2018 20:18:47    2068032

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Replying To fizzygravy:  "Tazz I believe you are mistaken. There was a vote in the room regarding the change in football to U20. A number of clubs but certainly not the majority expressed their preference to remain with existing underage structures. The county Chairman suggested that at Thursday's underage meeting they will discuss the potential planning for both scenarios and as suggested by a member of the board the clubs will be presented a plan for ratification at a future date. The impression given at the top table is that Westmeath will move in a similar direction to the majority of Leinster counties hence changing to the new age structures. The assumption is that this will become a mandate from Croke Park for 2019."
The meeting I referred to was the Minor Committee meeting. The Under 20 was ratified the previous evening at the County committee meeting however, at the minor committee meeting there was no club in favour of changing the current structure.

tazz (Westmeath) - 15/01/2018 14:00:40    2068490

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Replying To Westmeathgeal:  "At the meeting last night, only a handful of clubs spoke against it mainly bigger clubs with strong Minor teams this year, 3 or 4 from lomans spoke, 2 from shamrocks,Athlone, Caulry,Moate and 1 or 2 others and a couple of wafflers, no one was going to speak up for it in that atmosphere last night.now it's gone back to the Feb Executive meeting for a vote and a underage planning meeting next week !!
Can't understand why they ratified the U20 the night before when the were considering an U18/19 competition !!
Why they didnt send out proposals for a proper U18/19 competition with provisional dates and set final dates so clubs could make an informed choice.
Fixtures are going to be chaotic when the county U17 squad are playing affecting U16/U18 Club competition and the Club's will be blamed when we go 6/8 weeks without football
For the record I'd be in favour for changing after last night's meeting only if there is a meaningful/competitive football for our 17/18 yr olds as a transition to adult football

Best of luck to Niall O Brien the new minor Chairman"
Although only a handful of clubs spoke out about the change, when the question was asked if there were any clubs in favour of the change there was no response, no hands in the air, no-one in favour of change.
The proposal for an under 18/19 was only mooted when the question was asked from the floor what was going to be there to keep these lads playing football between the ages of 17 and 20.

The under 20 football was ratified as part of the Planning Report which has to be accepted in its entirety;
Why is the hurling still under 21???

tazz (Westmeath) - 15/01/2018 14:13:01    2068491

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Club hurling is still U21 because county hurling remains unchanged at U21.
Here's a link to the report that resulted in all of this change
http://www.downgaa.net/uploads/2015/11/16/discussionpaper_p1.pdf
The reason that hurling wasn't changed seems purely down to scheduling in that it didn't clash as much as the U21 football.
The U-21 football championship to be discontinued. (It is not proposed to change the U-21 hurling championship as its scheduling does not encourage players to play on multiple teams simultaneously.)

As we all know, the U21 club football here in Westmeath gets run off late in the year so doesn't really clash with a whole lot so in my opinion didn't have to change but that ship has sailed.

BigSur (Westmeath) - 15/01/2018 16:25:44    2068525

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obviously there is no long term plan for football or hurling in the county!
what do the full time coaching and development staff do exactly?

this decision should have been discussed at coaching and games then brought to the meeting.
its clear most of the delegates don't have a clue what is happening at Leinster level or what is the best way forward for underage games in the county
its not their job to know that

valley84 (Westmeath) - 15/01/2018 22:59:42    2068602

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