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Time for HURLING to leave GAA

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Only a few counties take hurling seriously.
Football is more popular in the majority of counties even if it is not played very well."
True, but the hurling championship has become more competitive than the football and even though you're right in saying that the majority of counties prioritize football, I think most of them dont really care that much as theyve no chance of winning Sam.

3Dhurling (Laois) - Posts: 24 - 15/10/2017 17:37:28    2055379

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Yeah it's true only 10 to 12 counties take hurling 'seriously' but it's the big counties. Cork pushing 550,000 , Galway, Dublin (hopefully) Limerick ect.. Half of the football counties are quiet small..cavan, Longford ect.
There is a critical mass there. Hurling could go solo. Leave the GAA concentrate on the Gaelic football and Scor, irish language and rounders. Let the new Hurling confederation concentrate on one thing...Hurleys and Hurling

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/10/2017 18:26:56    2055390

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yeah it's true only 10 to 12 counties take hurling 'seriously' but it's the big counties. Cork pushing 550,000 , Galway, Dublin (hopefully) Limerick ect.. Half of the football counties are quiet small..cavan, Longford ect.
There is a critical mass there. Hurling could go solo. Leave the GAA concentrate on the Gaelic football and Scor, irish language and rounders. Let the new Hurling confederation concentrate on one thing...Hurleys and Hurling"
Cork 500,000.

You wouldn't think it to see some of the attendances at their matches.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/10/2017 18:39:21    2055393

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Cork 500,000.

You wouldn't think it to see some of the attendances at their matches."
Cork hurling generally gets good attendances. Its the footballers who get ignored.

3Dhurling (Laois) - Posts: 24 - 15/10/2017 18:44:45    2055394

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The phrase 'Cutting off your nose to spite your face' comes to mind for this topic.

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 15/10/2017 21:14:27    2055431

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Best idea of heard all year. Iv always thought that Hurling should go it alone. The GAA just about looks after football and hasn't the capacity or inclination to govern hurling properly.
Personally Iv never felt comfortable with the Nationalist slant to the GAA either. The naming of clubs after dead republicans and the pushing of the Irish language always sticks in my craw. And I'm not alone.
The sport could flourish outside of the GAA. Stadiums could be bargained for..negotiated over. I bet it would be hard and dual clubs would be rendered unsuitable but it could be a glorious escapade. It's time to Secede from the GAA"
Clearly didn't see the Limerick u21s in their dressing room after the all Ireland then............

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 16/10/2017 00:49:36    2055483

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I do follow rugby..all my life. Its just Hurling is my passion. I dont like tge insinuation that i cant follow hurling if im not a nationalist. Its supposed to be non political. Of course gaa clubs in certain areas had it hard in Northern Ireland. But theres 2 sides to that story aswell.
Yeah it would be very hard for dual clubs probably impossible. I feel their days are coming to an end anyway and clubs will just have to go hurling or football. It's not stopping other clubs starting up. Hurling needs the separation..room to breathe"
Two sides to what story bloody ban.....if you haven't lived with the hassle of trying to promote hurling up here during the troubles then don't talk nonsense.......if you have the experience to back up your statement then please enlighten us

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 16/10/2017 00:51:29    2055484

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yeah it's true only 10 to 12 counties take hurling 'seriously' but it's the big counties. Cork pushing 550,000 , Galway, Dublin (hopefully) Limerick ect.. Half of the football counties are quiet small..cavan, Longford ect.
There is a critical mass there. Hurling could go solo. Leave the GAA concentrate on the Gaelic football and Scor, irish language and rounders. Let the new Hurling confederation concentrate on one thing...Hurleys and Hurling"
You do understand that hurling is intrinsically linked to the Gaelic culture and tradition....played on this island hundreds of years before a word of bearla was heard.......derived from the Celtic warrior culture and tradition, you might want to but you can't rewrite history and eradicate the very ethos and tradition if the game........

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 16/10/2017 00:54:56    2055485

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Yeah it's true only 10 to 12 counties take hurling 'seriously' but it's the big counties. Cork pushing 550,000 , Galway, Dublin (hopefully) Limerick ect.. Half of the football counties are quiet small..cavan, Longford ect.
There is a critical mass there. Hurling could go solo. Leave the GAA concentrate on the Gaelic football and Scor, irish language and rounders. Let the new Hurling confederation concentrate on one thing...Hurleys and Hurling"
Ná raibh an dea-rath ar do ghléas, a shúdaire na míoltóg.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1797 - 16/10/2017 10:57:45    2055524

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A separate hurling Board would have the ability to promote the code 'properly', across all counties, without having a negative impact on football.
The question is, do the premier Hurling Counties have any interest or motivation in spreading the gospel to the 'lesser' counties. And, would there be resistance from the 'football only' people in the lesser hurling Counties. Not a difficult question to answer, I would suggest.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 287 - 16/10/2017 10:59:27    2055526

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Replying To Glensboy:  "A separate hurling Board would have the ability to promote the code 'properly', across all counties, without having a negative impact on football.
The question is, do the premier Hurling Counties have any interest or motivation in spreading the gospel to the 'lesser' counties. And, would there be resistance from the 'football only' people in the lesser hurling Counties. Not a difficult question to answer, I would suggest."
Good question and I would say any true Hurling fan would want to see more counties involved at a high level. I mean would a Kilkenny player or fan truly begrudge a Donegal or Meath, etc hurling victory? I'm sure most would be happy to see it.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 16/10/2017 15:41:52    2055591

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Best idea of heard all year. Iv always thought that Hurling should go it alone. The GAA just about looks after football and hasn't the capacity or inclination to govern hurling properly.
Personally Iv never felt comfortable with the Nationalist slant to the GAA either. The naming of clubs after dead republicans and the pushing of the Irish language always sticks in my craw. And I'm not alone.
The sport could flourish outside of the GAA. Stadiums could be bargained for..negotiated over. I bet it would be hard and dual clubs would be rendered unsuitable but it could be a glorious escapade. It's time to Secede from the GAA"
I suppose the slight Nationalist slant to Ireland - Irish as an official language and commemorating dead Republicans annually - must be particularly trying for you as well. I know your sort; and I bet you if GAA players wore poppies like the soccer boys, there'd not be a peep out of you.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 16/10/2017 18:48:37    2055629

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Replying To Glensboy:  "A separate hurling Board would have the ability to promote the code 'properly', across all counties, without having a negative impact on football.
The question is, do the premier Hurling Counties have any interest or motivation in spreading the gospel to the 'lesser' counties. And, would there be resistance from the 'football only' people in the lesser hurling Counties. Not a difficult question to answer, I would suggest."
"The question is, do the premier Hurling Counties have any interest or motivation in spreading the gospel to the 'lesser' counties. "

Why the need for the constant digs at, for lack of a better term, tier 1 hurling counties? The fact that these counties are keeping hurling going at all in their own counties, and the level/standards they maintain, is testament to the work people in those counties are doing to promote hurling in general.
Keeping hurling as a major sport in any county isn't a given, even in counties like Tipp or Cork. These counties have to compete with other sports, such as soccer, rugby etc, as much as anywhere else. And there's now increasing competition from football, even in counties like Tipp. Not that hurling and football should have an adversarial relationship (separate boards for each would help protect both though). Hurling has become even more of a niche sport in the country in general I think, so keeping it going at a top level is challenge for any county, nevermind doing it for other counties as well.

We all want hurling in all counties to be given fair treatment, and protected from neglect, thats why I'm suggesting seperate boards/bodies at county level. Although dedicated bodies for each code at provincial level might be just as necessary.

And as for counties such as Tipp spreading the gospel to developing hurling counties (I'm not going to indulge the "lesser' counties comment), what do you think Paudi Butler was at for all those years? And where do you think Dinny Cahill was coming from when he was managing Antrim? And what do you think is bringing Liam Sheedy up and down to Antrim for the foreseeable future?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 16/10/2017 19:41:48    2055635

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Replying To essmac:  "I suppose the slight Nationalist slant to Ireland - Irish as an official language and commemorating dead Republicans annually - must be particularly trying for you as well. I know your sort; and I bet you if GAA players wore poppies like the soccer boys, there'd not be a peep out of you."
You're right. I'd have no problem with GAA players wearing poppies to commemorate WW1 and WW2 sacrifice.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 16/10/2017 20:16:42    2055639

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  ""The question is, do the premier Hurling Counties have any interest or motivation in spreading the gospel to the 'lesser' counties. "

Why the need for the constant digs at, for lack of a better term, tier 1 hurling counties? The fact that these counties are keeping hurling going at all in their own counties, and the level/standards they maintain, is testament to the work people in those counties are doing to promote hurling in general.
Keeping hurling as a major sport in any county isn't a given, even in counties like Tipp or Cork. These counties have to compete with other sports, such as soccer, rugby etc, as much as anywhere else. And there's now increasing competition from football, even in counties like Tipp. Not that hurling and football should have an adversarial relationship (separate boards for each would help protect both though). Hurling has become even more of a niche sport in the country in general I think, so keeping it going at a top level is challenge for any county, nevermind doing it for other counties as well.

We all want hurling in all counties to be given fair treatment, and protected from neglect, thats why I'm suggesting seperate boards/bodies at county level. Although dedicated bodies for each code at provincial level might be just as necessary.

And as for counties such as Tipp spreading the gospel to developing hurling counties (I'm not going to indulge the "lesser' counties comment), what do you think Paudi Butler was at for all those years? And where do you think Dinny Cahill was coming from when he was managing Antrim? And what do you think is bringing Liam Sheedy up and down to Antrim for the foreseeable future?"
Marlon - Take a look at the map of Ireland and colour in the hurling strongholds, on a county basis. The rest is a wasteland and the GAA hierarchy should be ashamed about the lack of true initiatives and progress in this wasteland. Your suggestion about Provincial Hurling Boards 'may' work, but our experience in Ulster is not positive.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 287 - 17/10/2017 11:41:00    2055715

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Replying To bloodyban:  "You're right. I'd have no problem with GAA players wearing poppies to commemorate WW1 and WW2 sacrifice."
No surprise given your comments earlier on this thread.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 859 - 17/10/2017 12:33:42    2055727

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Besides the separation of the two sports other practical things can be done now.
The coupling of counties might work. Say a bunch of 3 counties like Kilkenny, Carlow and Kildare. I know clubs are invited to play in Kilkenny for leagues from the two weaker counties. This could be expanded to raise standards. Limerick could certainly accommodate 4 or 5 of the North Kerry hurling clubs. They'd fit into the premier Intermediate or senior competitions. They could also play the sherry championship as normal.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 17/10/2017 17:20:20    2055806

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Good question and I would say any true Hurling fan would want to see more counties involved at a high level. I mean would a Kilkenny player or fan truly begrudge a Donegal or Meath, etc hurling victory? I'm sure most would be happy to see it."
Well a Kilkenny president begrudged the Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard finalists the right of their finals to be played before the AI semi-finals to allow the minors a later run out.

I'd be concerned if the Traditional Hurling counties were allowed any more control over hurling for the whole county as it would die entirely in the periphery based on some of the outcomes of the various HDC's over the last few years.
This super 10's that has come from Croke Park and voted through by football counties on a trial basis is also a disaster with Laois, Westmeath and the likes being sidelined with a little glimmer of light to aim for!

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 18/10/2017 15:52:34    2056039

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The Laois hurling manager has come out fully in favour of the new championship format so he clearly doesn't think the county is being sidelined. Most of the hurling counties in the lower tiers wanted their championships finished in June rather than going on until August as players usually have more time to focus on hurling in early summer, later in the year they usually have club football commitments or are away working.
Some do believe that all blame can be put at the door of Croke Park and the bigger counties but the reality is there is a lot of self pity in some of the lower tier counties which is holding the game back. Look to Slaughtneil for an idea of what can happen when people have a clear vision and will to succeed. Their story would not be possible if there were 2 seperate organisations.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 18/10/2017 16:58:33    2056056

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Replying To emerald79:  "How on earth is football being prioritized at every opportunity the gaa gets the chance to do so ,in a sensible country Hurling would be well ahead of its very poor relation football,it's time for the sake of this great sport to build its own future along way away from the GAA ,"
Stop boy will you. Seriously hurling is getting all the backing and all the hype.

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 18/10/2017 18:12:44    2056072

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