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I dont like Kimmage in a professional level. When he is on today fm on a monday he drives me cracked because he knows nothing about the sports being discussed and eats up my time listening to reports of football soccer hurling rugby etc with silly drivel that is completely self indulgent.
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Regarding Gavin and Dublins tactics at the end of the match. Yeah he is right.
Gavin doesnt even look like he enjoys the game being completely stone faced for the duration of the game. He has taken dublin to a huge level of professionalism (not saying players are paid) but he has ensured with the support of the county board that they have literally everything they could possibly desire. He has a complete lack of emotion towards the game the opponents the media and that obviously filters down through the players. There was no out pouring of emotion by the team having made history in the final it was all just a PROCESS. Everything is a process. Its a massive achievement by the best team in the country and the whole thing feels soulless.
Dublin have the players .. check
Dublin have the financial resources ... Check
Dublin have the facilities .. Check
Dublin have the talent ... Check
But do they have the joy the pride the elation that comes with doing three in a row that would be a no. Do they know them selves that they are not playing off a level playing field and does that in some way take away from it in their own minds. I dont know. Its a shame. I love watching dublin the power the style the precision the ability. But then you look at dublin in injury time and its awful watching. But they dont care about that either cause its a process winning is a process.
Kimmage over the top . Definitely
Kimmage wrong .. On that one im not so sure.
The achievement has been done yes will it be remembered in the same breath as Kilkennys achievements in the hurling i really dont think so .
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define joy pride emotion or celebrating as to me there is not one way of doing any of those things. If you really think the management and players didn't have all of the above your very easily lead.
just because you don't buck leap or fist pump every free like some doesn't mean you don't feel emotion. Jim Gavin was in great spirits in Smithfield on the Monday evening, people celebrate and show emotions differently and for me Jim Gavin probably takes great pride in the satisfaction of what he's achieved and celebrated it his way, like I already said in here before I don't drink alcohol does that mean I don't celebrate to you? To me I fully celebrate things I just dont need alcohol to do it, no everything has to be done in the public eye and Gavin has always stated he enjoys the moments in the dressing room as a group the most those moments aren't in the public eye.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/09/2017 14:41:22
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Replying To ritchie: "I dont like Kimmage in a professional level. When he is on today fm on a monday he drives me cracked because he knows nothing about the sports being discussed and eats up my time listening to reports of football soccer hurling rugby etc with silly drivel that is completely self indulgent.
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Regarding Gavin and Dublins tactics at the end of the match. Yeah he is right.
Gavin doesnt even look like he enjoys the game being completely stone faced for the duration of the game. He has taken dublin to a huge level of professionalism (not saying players are paid) but he has ensured with the support of the county board that they have literally everything they could possibly desire. He has a complete lack of emotion towards the game the opponents the media and that obviously filters down through the players. There was no out pouring of emotion by the team having made history in the final it was all just a PROCESS. Everything is a process. Its a massive achievement by the best team in the country and the whole thing feels soulless.
Dublin have the players .. check
Dublin have the financial resources ... Check
Dublin have the facilities .. Check
Dublin have the talent ... Check
But do they have the joy the pride the elation that comes with doing three in a row that would be a no. Do they know them selves that they are not playing off a level playing field and does that in some way take away from it in their own minds. I dont know. Its a shame. I love watching dublin the power the style the precision the ability. But then you look at dublin in injury time and its awful watching. But they dont care about that either cause its a process winning is a process.
Kimmage over the top . Definitely
Kimmage wrong .. On that one im not so sure.
The achievement has been done yes will it be remembered in the same breath as Kilkennys achievements in the hurling i really dont think so ." I find your post a bit odd to be honest mate, whatever you say about Jim Gavin and what people should be the stereotyped persona of a manager celebrating like a nut job and i would say he has never been that kind of character. I think its wrong to say the players weren't ecstatic they clearly were and celebrated at and im sure well after the final whistle as much as any team ive ever seen win an All Ireland, not sure were your angle of the players is coming from.
I think certainly their is strategy in place with the media to give them nothing and i think this is all they have to write about now. The media conclave has served Dublin well and long may it continue in my honest opinion its obviously proved successful.
On another note the players will cerebrate throughout the winter, but i imagine there is steely focus there, people talk about the three in a row "achievement", it is in a sense, but four is a row is a bigger won and if focus and motivation moves to that as quickly as possible, you only have to admire the focus and competitiveness of this group.
I find it interesting the media are focusing on Dublins reaction, there are many images of them consoling Mayo players while in the semi final the effort they went to to make the final whistle all about Sean Kavanagh was at illustration of humility despite getting to an all ireland final themselves. That i suppose doesn't fit with the current media narrative i suppose and i can understand why the media may have an axe to grind, they get little currency from the Dubs. Im personally happy that they are mushrooms from our perspective and the hype will be deflected elsewhere, it suits Dublin.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/09/2017 14:44:39
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Replying To ritchie: "I dont like Kimmage in a professional level. When he is on today fm on a monday he drives me cracked because he knows nothing about the sports being discussed and eats up my time listening to reports of football soccer hurling rugby etc with silly drivel that is completely self indulgent.
However
Regarding Gavin and Dublins tactics at the end of the match. Yeah he is right.
Gavin doesnt even look like he enjoys the game being completely stone faced for the duration of the game. He has taken dublin to a huge level of professionalism (not saying players are paid) but he has ensured with the support of the county board that they have literally everything they could possibly desire. He has a complete lack of emotion towards the game the opponents the media and that obviously filters down through the players. There was no out pouring of emotion by the team having made history in the final it was all just a PROCESS. Everything is a process. Its a massive achievement by the best team in the country and the whole thing feels soulless.
Dublin have the players .. check
Dublin have the financial resources ... Check
Dublin have the facilities .. Check
Dublin have the talent ... Check
But do they have the joy the pride the elation that comes with doing three in a row that would be a no. Do they know them selves that they are not playing off a level playing field and does that in some way take away from it in their own minds. I dont know. Its a shame. I love watching dublin the power the style the precision the ability. But then you look at dublin in injury time and its awful watching. But they dont care about that either cause its a process winning is a process.
Kimmage over the top . Definitely
Kimmage wrong .. On that one im not so sure.
The achievement has been done yes will it be remembered in the same breath as Kilkennys achievements in the hurling i really dont think so ." Philly perhaps says it best and gives some perspective:
Philly McMahon says this year's All-Ireland success meant more to him than the previous four he's been involved in after his father Phil was diagnosed with stomach cancer two months ago.
Speaking at the launch of the National Fitness Day yesterday, the Dublin corner back explained how the diagnosis had put things into perspective for him.
"It's been difficult this year because of my dad. The gift the lads have given me is amazing. Funny enough, after the game, he was trying to run down to the gate in the Hogan Stand," he said.
"I was going, 'Stay up there', because where they were sitting was just covered in Mayo fans all the way up the steps. So I said, 'stay up there' and jumped in. I was running up the steps... they were pulling out of me and cursing me. And they weren't to know, to be honest.
"It was special for me. It was probably a bit more special than any other All-Ireland because who knows?
"And that's the thing with this team. We're very grateful for what we have.
"I think it was the league final last year, a man came in to us and he only had a couple of days to live. Little things like that make us not give a s**t about what people say to us in the papers. Life is too short to be listening to people that talk bad about us."
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/09/2017 14:59:44
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Ritchie
define joy pride emotion or celebrating as to me there is not one way of doing any of those things. If you really think the management and players didn't have all of the above your very easily lead.
just because you don't buck leap or fist pump every free like some doesn't mean you don't feel emotion. Jim Gavin was in great spirits in Smithfield on the Monday evening, people celebrate and show emotions differently and for me Jim Gavin probably takes great pride in the satisfaction of what he's achieved and celebrated it his way, like I already said in here before I don't drink alcohol does that mean I don't celebrate to you? To me I fully celebrate things I just dont need alcohol to do it, no everything has to be done in the public eye and Gavin has always stated he enjoys the moments in the dressing room as a group the most those moments aren't in the public eye." Just as an aside there are a lot of us posters here who don't drink. About 10 people have mentioned it recently. Off the top of my head myself, yourself, Royal Dunne. I was kinda surprised for a gaa forum at first, then the more i thought of it an awful lot of players don't either.
Personally i talk too much in company anyway so drink would make me even more insufferable!!
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/09/2017 15:12:06
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Paul Kimmage is just full of crap, the arrogance of the man is unbelievable. What does it matter how Jim Gavin celebrates a victory. You just can't win with these media guys, if Jim Gavin celebrated wildly they would be saying he is arrogant. He is being guarded in interviews because he knows journalists are ready to pounce. Jim Gavin is accountable to the Dublin fans not journalists.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 29/09/2017 17:01:46
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Replying To Laois76: "Just as an aside there are a lot of us posters here who don't drink. About 10 people have mentioned it recently. Off the top of my head myself, yourself, Royal Dunne. I was kinda surprised for a gaa forum at first, then the more i thought of it an awful lot of players don't either.
Personally i talk too much in company anyway so drink would make me even more insufferable!!" you talk too much in company? I find that hard to believe, but keep talking, your posts are undeniably the best in this forums history judging by public appreciation :)
lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 29/09/2017 18:03:04
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Replying To lilypad: "you talk too much in company? I find that hard to believe, but keep talking, your posts are undeniably the best in this forums history judging by public appreciation :)" Thanks Lilypad!
It's been suggested i have 76 profiles and log in and out liking my own posts!! Sounds like a lot of work let alone remembering who you are!
My theory is when you're from Laois you're not a threat to Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Dublin and people are more inclined to like your post. A bit like Ireland in the Eurovision in the 1980s and 1990s. Then we got too cheeky with Dustin in 2008..
Ah no you know when you're just too enthusiastic and talk too much?!
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/09/2017 19:34:21
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Replying To ritchie: "I dont like Kimmage in a professional level. When he is on today fm on a monday he drives me cracked because he knows nothing about the sports being discussed and eats up my time listening to reports of football soccer hurling rugby etc with silly drivel that is completely self indulgent.
However
Regarding Gavin and Dublins tactics at the end of the match. Yeah he is right.
Gavin doesnt even look like he enjoys the game being completely stone faced for the duration of the game. He has taken dublin to a huge level of professionalism (not saying players are paid) but he has ensured with the support of the county board that they have literally everything they could possibly desire. He has a complete lack of emotion towards the game the opponents the media and that obviously filters down through the players. There was no out pouring of emotion by the team having made history in the final it was all just a PROCESS. Everything is a process. Its a massive achievement by the best team in the country and the whole thing feels soulless.
Dublin have the players .. check
Dublin have the financial resources ... Check
Dublin have the facilities .. Check
Dublin have the talent ... Check
But do they have the joy the pride the elation that comes with doing three in a row that would be a no. Do they know them selves that they are not playing off a level playing field and does that in some way take away from it in their own minds. I dont know. Its a shame. I love watching dublin the power the style the precision the ability. But then you look at dublin in injury time and its awful watching. But they dont care about that either cause its a process winning is a process.
Kimmage over the top . Definitely
Kimmage wrong .. On that one im not so sure.
The achievement has been done yes will it be remembered in the same breath as Kilkennys achievements in the hurling i really dont think so ." Strange post. What are you basing Jim and the team's reaction on, a 4 min TV segment. The lads have been on the town for a week or so but many preparing for club games now, great double header in Donnycarney this weekend. I would prefer to see my manager cool, calculated and indifferent to the media pressures than someone on the sideline feeding sound bytes to the media. As an Ulster poster once said on here in defence of the blanket system 'if you want entertainment go to the circus'. It's about winning games without being ar€&@&€es at the end of the day. In fairness I think the Dubs check both boxes.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/09/2017 20:04:27
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There is an unhealthy narrative on HS and in the Irish media in general that Dublin are not to be criticised or given ANY negative coverage.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 29/09/2017 21:27:19
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Replying To Ulsterman: "There is an unhealthy narrative on HS and in the Irish media in general that Dublin are not to be criticised or given ANY negative coverage." And you listen to them good boy, you hear!!!?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 29/09/2017 21:40:08
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Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace
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Replying To Ulsterman: "There is an unhealthy narrative on HS and in the Irish media in general that Dublin are not to be criticised or given ANY negative coverage." Are you being serious??? That is your funniest post yet Ulsterman.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 29/09/2017 22:44:19
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Yeah haha I wouldn't know about the talking too much bit but I never felt I needed it like most did, if at home I don't think I ever really had alcohol anyway and I only bought in a nightclub as minerals tended to be same price so felt like was getting robbed, never been someone to sit in a pub so made it easy to just not drink full stop. No major reason other than don't see a need to have it like I don't need other substances.
On the other point about being from laois don't worry I don't take people's counties into thinking when debating on here so you can count on us having some good debates if we don't agree haha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/09/2017 22:59:35
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" Oh Yeah, what an awful thing to say, it's like he was mocking Mayo really wasn't it.
Or at least that's what you would like to portray it as.
Feeling a little left out are we ?
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 30/09/2017 08:30:49
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" Why?
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" What a load of nonsense .
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 30/09/2017 08:51:17
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" We are getting desperate now. Is this really that best mock shock ye can come up with?
poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 30/09/2017 09:53:25
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" Not at all. We lost a final after a tough campaign. Dublin lost a league final anda huge unbeaten record. Different for us supporters, fair enough, but those players haven't been playing for Mayo for 66 years or lost 9 All Ireland's.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 30/09/2017 10:34:27
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Replying To gahfan: "Gavin's comments comparing Dublin's league final loss to Mayo's heartache was a disgrace" I dont really feel the need to defend Jim Gavin, his achievements speak for themselves, obviously his style of management is successful so if people take umbrage with it, its probably through umbrage of being not as successful or not allowed get close to that success. That pretty much sums it up.
He is a lovely fella, truth be told. He goes out of his way not to be insulting he is a gentleman.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 30/09/2017 10:38:57
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