arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 25/09/2017 11:05:26    2050234

To be honest I found it a bit disturbing. He's behaving like a man that was slighted in some way. Here are his main points.


1. Here's what I do have a problem with. Jim hasn't reached his chair and someone says, 'How's the heart Jim?' It was a great chance for Jim to say, 'Jaysus I need a transplant, what a game!' but instead, it looked as if a wasp had stung him: 'Fine, how's yours?' Now, where did that come from? You have hostility straight away He gives out that Gavin didnt respond to that question with a platitude. If someone asks you how you are, a proper response is fine, and yourself!!

2. So then he's asked quite early on about Mayo's failure to get over the line and the long history and all of that. And he says, 'we know what it's like, we were here a few months ago when we lost the National League final'. So he's comparing a defeat in a National League final to - how many defeats for Mayo since 1951? So now, I do have a problem He was asked a question about a team not getting over the line. he responded by saying his own team didnt get over the line in a national final. Where is the lack of empathy. he has just demonstrated that he knows how it is not to get over the line. If he responds any other way he's he will make headlines. If he says " I don't know what Mayo have to do to get over the line" , headlines will be Mayo Clueless, Bottlers etc etc

3. He complains that Gavin or Cluxton didnt express joy at the news conference. So what!! You don't know what was happening in the dressing room, there could have been a full blown party on there. He is complaining that Gavin didn't give him something to write about ala Davy, Johnny Mulane or any other county player/manager that wears their hearts on their sleeves. Gavins job, same as other managers job is to get their team ready for matches. End of.

4. Well if that's the price, then give me losers. Ha ha ha , ask any intercounty player if they would rather win all irelands or have a media friendly manager

5. Three Dublin players had wrestled Mayo players to the ground in that last minute.which was an absolute blemish on the best sport I have watched this year I dareanyone to find any player in the country that would not do the exact same as the Dublin players did. If I'm honest I would have done what Lee Keegan did as well.

I think its an extraordinary piece of journalism, a pure hatchet job by a journalist that seems to be annoyed that Gavin wouldnt give him a sound bite or a headline.

donegaldouble (Donegal) - Posts: 310 - 25/09/2017 11:06:11    2050236

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-is-there-no-barrel-too-empty-to-be-scraped-in-the-search-for-another-bit-of-dubegrudgery-36162019.html

Great Article
The bullshi7 even has a new name Dubegrdugery
The new low when you've done referees , population advantages , do death and all your left with is their personalities to go after Sad

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/09/2017 11:16:22    2050242

Kimmage had previously admitted, although a Northside Dub that he wanted Mayo to win and that his brother had told him what he thought of his preference before and after the game so don't think he has any great grá for the team in general.
OK, so Jim Gavin isn't Jurgen Klopp but why does that bother Kimmage. The joy and excitement is obvious from the players when they win but that doesn't seem to be good enough for these guys if they're not getting what they want from Gavin.
If Dunphy or Kimmage had any standing whatsoever in the GAA then maybe it might be of some concern but they don't so I wouldn't get too wound up about what is purely a personal issue for both of these guys.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 25/09/2017 11:20:54    2050245

#teamlance !!

But seriously anyone who thinks Joe Molloy is fair and balanced has not been listening!! The most anti Dub of all, but disguises it well scratch the surface tho and he us just Ewan McKenna's mouthpiece. Shame cos used to enjoy OTB. Done with it now

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/09/2017 11:43:53    2050254

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 25/09/2017 11:46:35    2050255

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 25/09/2017 11:56:02    2050258

Part of the problem in my opinion with Mayo has been that there has been too much "emotion" on the sideline. Football management is about keeping cool and composed under pressure. Losing the head does not help in close games.
Keeping focused and calm when all around are losing there cool is the mark, imo, of a great manager.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 25/09/2017 12:07:28    2050268

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 25/09/2017 12:16:27    2050270

Be nice if Jim G and some of his players were more fun. We don't have any say in the matter though.
They can talk to the press (and anyone else) as little or as much as they choose.
Great team regardless.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 25/09/2017 12:22:07    2050272

I don't have a lot of time for Dunphy and I know very little about Kimmage but I don't think any GAA followers will pay much heed to what they have written. Dunphy obviously felt snubbed - no bad thing. Kimmage seems to be annoyed that he couldn't get through that protective shell that Gavin wraps around himself so claim that he 'found' the real Jim Gavin.
In the midst of celebrating a great achievement, Gavin was never going to respond to a question about what happened in the last few minutes of the game. The only point I would agree with him on is that Gavin's efforts to be gracious towards beaten opponents generally has an undertone of snideness (intended or not) to them

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/09/2017 12:23:23    2050273

For all the slagging on here, it's great to Swe Gaels from all over the country defending our boys in this. And by our boys I don't mean Dublin, I mean GAA. Kimmage and Dumbfy should stick to cycling and soccer.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 25/09/2017 13:07:11    2050285

It would have been funny if Gavin told Kimmage he's not worth the chair he's sitting on. How would Kimmage have reacted to that humour? By the way if any of you Dubs agree with Kimmage and would like to see the back of Jim then we'll happily take him in Galway. The man is a genius, a gentleman and a winner.

Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 25/09/2017 13:10:20    2050290

Just had the privilege of spending the morning with Jim Gavin, an absolute gentleman and a nicer man you couldn't hope to meet, away from the media he is a completely different character. I suppose thats why they have an axe to grind.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 25/09/2017 13:12:53    2050292

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 25/09/2017 13:25:11    2050298

I have absolutely no time for Paul Kimmage whatsoever. He wrote an extraordinary book 27 years ago and has managed to live off of it's success since. He is a completely below average journalist.

He conducts decent interviews with people from time to time but to me, he just comes across as a bitter, self righteous, begrudger of a man with an axe to grind with the whole world. I think he craves attention, is chronically argumentative and embraces conflict wherever he can get it.

As a journalist and one who specialises in sports journalism, his knowledge of sport is extremely limited. Listening to him on the radio, he hasn't got a clue about the majority of sports. His articles are laced with negativity and he has to revert to type on 'the latest sports doping controversy' every so often in order to try and stay relevant.

Jim Gavin is 10 times the man Paul Kimmage is.

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 25/09/2017 13:35:28    2050303

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 25/09/2017 14:05:52    2050320

I just listened to the interview, wow.
Kimmage at one point is nearly screaming his outrage at what he deemed as Jim Gavin's 'classless' behaviour based on Gavin's response to a simple bit of small talk. What follows is just an amazing tirade, most of which is directed at Gavin on a personal level, very little in the interview relates to much in the way of the game itself.
Is this the kinda journalism we want? Don't get me wrong, Kimmage can write, so can Dunphy but their 2 recent pieces leaves a lot to be desired. They come across with the sort of outrage you'd hear when the outspoken employee gets talked down to, waits for them to be out of ear shot then tells all their mates their interpretation of events, using tons of hyperbole and over exaggeration. If this wasn't Dublin they were talking about, they'd be latching on to someone else. Had Mayo won, we probably would have gotten a ton of pieces about Mayo's long time waiting for victory, but we all know there would have been one or two begrdugers who would have focused on something negative to say about it.
I know paper never refused ink but some of the stuff written in the last week has been really petty rubbish........god knows whats on Twitter!!

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 25/09/2017 14:36:37    2050339

Listened to the podcast. What an extraordinary performance!! You could hear him thumping the desk while he was shouting. He was completely over the top. No one does self-righteous indignation like Paul Kimmage. Seems the journos and hacks are getting irritated by the refusal of Jim G and the Dubs to engage with the media on their terms. The Dubs will cleverly use the media if they want to get a message out there but they will refuse to reveal anything of any significance. Kimmage and Dunphy's attacks almost seem orchestrated.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/09/2017 14:54:56    2050348

I think a lot of journalist's have an overweighted sense of their importance. Kimmage would be top of that pile. The bottom line is that the managers and players don't need the media nearly as much as the media need the GAA. Dublin keep them at arms length and who can blame them? A few years ago Joe Canning made a throw away quote about Henry Shefflin after a drawn All Ireland final and a mountain was made out of a molehill. We all remember "Donkey's don't win derby's". If you hear a Dublin player about to be interviewed, switch the station, you are going to hear nothing but media coached drivel. Johnny Cooper was interviewed on RTE after the draw for the Championship and he just came out with one cliché after another. "Tough game against Carlow", "One game at a time" "Respect the opponent" blah, blah, blah. But here we are 10 months later and he has another All Ireland medal in his arse pocket. Dublin do their talking on the pitch and only on the pitch. The sooner we all realise this, the better.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 25/09/2017 15:26:58    2050363