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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I like the interchange idea. Imagine if Mayo were able to swap Boyle and Moran in and out as required rather than having to take them off at 55 minutes. It could prolong the career of certain players which would surely help the teams with smaller panels."
Imagine policing it at club level with one referee! Go to any 7s competition to see how interchange subs work in practice, its a mess.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2139 - 20/09/2017 19:34:24    2048738

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Replying To Laois76:  "I've seen your Auntie Bridie play Poguemahone. Pretty nifty lady!"
yep she's a bit of a Paul Galvin type player but with better fashion sense....

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 356 - 20/09/2017 19:46:03    2048744

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Replying To belmay:  "This is a list of guys that have been around the panel for a year or 2 surely we can get 6 subs and 1 or 2 starters out of them

Eoin O'Donoghue, Donal Newcombe, Caolan Crowe Serooise Akram, Seamus Cunnife, Michael Hall, Michael Plunkett, Conor Loftus Stephen Coen Shane Nally Conor Loftus Mathew Ruane, Danny Kirby Adam Gallagher, Feargal Boland and Briam Reape Playing. Each of these guys need 2/3 FBD games and at a minimum 3 league games. Obviously not all at the same time but they all need serious game time and work put into them

A lot of these guys have one minor and U21 finals and the remainder in the most part have played in Minor finals

Counties need to develop there panels - 6 subs is here to stay with pace and physicality of the modern game. That is why 6 substitutions are available its not to benfit Dublin, its just that they have developed a huge panel."
your going to lose older players out the other side as they'll start slowing or get more injury prone. Mayo had about 17-18 of the requisite standard on Sunday that's the most they've ever had.
unlikely to ever have 21/22. The system needs to be changed back no reason why felllas can't last 70 min

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 209 - 22/09/2017 17:36:46    2049408

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Which teams did they burn off late in the game this year? They had every match bar the final won long before the subs had any impact"
Burned of Mayo 2 Years ago with MDMA and Mcmenamon coming on.Last year with MDMA and Costello

It depends what do you want do you want make it realistic for Mayo/Cork/Meath/Roscommon/Galway/Kildare/Ulster teams to compete or do you want Dublin and Kerry to completely dominate. Dublin win 4of last 7 U21s. Kerry won last 4 minor the 2 of them are likely to have way more depth than anyone else going forward

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 209 - 22/09/2017 17:51:52    2049414

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Maybe it's time to revert back to the 3 subs rule, at the moment if a team is losing by 1 or 2 points near full time they can throw on a few subs if they haven't already used them and the ref adds on an extra 20 seconds per sub on top of the added time, gives the losing team more time to get level, also the kick out rule has to be reverted, in the past if a wide happens the kick outs were taken from the edge of the small square, if a score happens the resulting kick out was taken from the 13m line, this more or less stopped the short kick outs. If your team uses the short kick outs you love it, if you are the opposing team you hate it, as for the neutrals most I would say hate it, the mark was meant to encourage long kick outs but in honestly it only happens a few times in a game, go back to the old rules of kick outs and 3 subs, it worked for over 100 years there was no need to change it (6 subs is too much)

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1200 - 23/09/2017 23:11:00    2049779

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Replying To riverboys:  "Maybe it's time to revert back to the 3 subs rule, at the moment if a team is losing by 1 or 2 points near full time they can throw on a few subs if they haven't already used them and the ref adds on an extra 20 seconds per sub on top of the added time, gives the losing team more time to get level, also the kick out rule has to be reverted, in the past if a wide happens the kick outs were taken from the edge of the small square, if a score happens the resulting kick out was taken from the 13m line, this more or less stopped the short kick outs. If your team uses the short kick outs you love it, if you are the opposing team you hate it, as for the neutrals most I would say hate it, the mark was meant to encourage long kick outs but in honestly it only happens a few times in a game, go back to the old rules of kick outs and 3 subs, it worked for over 100 years there was no need to change it (6 subs is too much)"
Used it be only one sub allowed going back 40 odd years ago?

And ya I'd totally agree with you going back to 3 subs and the old kickouts as well, also the black card is not fit for purpose, a sin bin would be away better and wouldn't be hard to administer in fairness also take the time keeping off the reff and bring in a buzzer.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 6845 - 23/09/2017 23:56:25    2049787

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Replying To centerfield:  "your going to lose older players out the other side as they'll start slowing or get more injury prone. Mayo had about 17-18 of the requisite standard on Sunday that's the most they've ever had.
unlikely to ever have 21/22. The system needs to be changed back no reason why felllas can't last 70 min"
Just a point about going potentially going back to 3 subs. Firstly, while I accept that having 6 subs suits the likes of Dublin or Kerry more than a lot of other counties, because of the depth of their panels currently, the 6 subs rule helps in a lot of other ways too.
Take Mayo for example, two of their best players all year were Boyle and Moran, but they were both taken off in almost every game they played, simply because of fatigue or miles on the legs or whatever way you want to put it. There is no doubting however that Mayo are a much better team because they can use these players for even 45 or 50 minutes. If Rochford knew he could only use three subs per game, could he have afforded to tie two of them up knowing they would have to be used to replace Andy Moran and Boyle in every game, or would the effect be that the older players would have to be sacrificed from the team to make sure he would have full use of his bench in case of injuries, tactical switches etc.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 24/09/2017 13:55:12    2049872

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Replying To Adamski:  "Is this for real. My god what next. Blindfold cluxton. Dublin players to be only allowed to kick at the goals from 60 metres out, maybe they should be only allowed 1 attempt at a goal per game, give the opposition a 15 point start. Best thing would be to bring this to Colm O' Rourkes attention and he can get it brought up for discussion on the Sunday Game next year."
You've missed the point completely. Where is anyone advocating only handicapping Dublin?

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 409 - 24/09/2017 15:28:13    2049894

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Unless it's for an obvious injury, I'd also ban all time-wasting substitutions in the last 5 minutes and added time.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 409 - 24/09/2017 15:35:53    2049897

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Replying To essmac:  "Unless it's for an obvious injury, I'd also ban all time-wasting substitutions in the last 5 minutes and added time."
very good idea

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 24/09/2017 20:08:27    2050004

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