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Replying To Laois76: "No, you're the gentleman and a scholar. Few posters like you and your love of gaa shines through with knowledge that is admirable. It doesn't matter what county you are discussing you have no animosity.
Have you ever written a gaa book? If you ever get a chance/time to compile your information and analysis into a topic that interests you by all means do." Thanks for your kind words.
I just have a fascination with the history of the game reading extensively watching old reels but mostly talking to older people who remeber the great teams of the past. A Cavan person talking about the teams of the 40s and 50s is worth listening to.
I do have a little animosity towards the Dubs. For a Meath man it's part of our DNA and to watch Dublin win All Ireland for a Meath person is a traumatic to say the least. But maybe deep down my animosity towards Dublin comes from a feeling of how bad Meaths opposition is to Dublin in recent times . And a worry that we will never see a 1947 a 1964 a 1986 and 1996 all years Meath knocked Dublin of their perch after Dublin went up a level or two. Can Meath do it again. Knock Dublin from their perch. At the moment the answer is no.
But in Meath we do recognise greatness. And this is a great Dublin. I just think the campaign to say they are the greatest is not based in any proper sense of reality or understanding what happened in the past. It is important to honour the memory of the great teams of the past and keep their achievements alive. For they are the gaints which all our modern players stand upon. If there was no Kevin Heffernan there would be no Jim Galvin Stephen Cluxton or a three in a row.
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There was never an intent to disrespect either Dublin or Mayo. The original statement I put up for discussion was based on how this Dublin team would rate in comparison to the great teams of old based on the fact that two of their three in a row All Ireland victories came against a county that hasn't won an All Ireland in 66 years, something many other posters have alluded to indirectly. Some great analysis given by some posters in attempting to rate this Dublin team against counties considered great teams in past generations. I don't think it's disrespectful to look at the opposition or quality of opposition in attempting to do this. For what it's worth, I feel the All Ireland's won by the Kerry team of the noughties are somewhat devalued considering 4 of them came against Cork and Mayo. This Mayo team however is streets ahead of the Mayo team of the noughties. Is it fair to say therefore that this Dublin team is streets ahead of the Kerry team of the noughties? Probably. Undoubtedly this Mayo team is the second best currently but will we look back in 20 years time and say they were second of a bad lot and therefore Dublins 3 in a row devalued as a result? All valid questions and no disrespect intended to two teams that gave us enthralling finals in 2016 and 2017.
Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 19/09/2017 23:53:24
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Yes Mayo are the greatest team in Connacht IN THIS DECADE
Yes Mayo v Dublin is the greatest rivalry IN THIS DECADE
But football did not begin in 2010. Allot of people are basing greatness on what they have seen currently. Gaelic football has 130 years of great games and teams. I would ask people to find out about past great players and great teams instead of saying the only team they have witnessed is the greatest. Most people would say Pele is the greatst soccer player ever. Most have never seen Pele play.
I will put it very simply Dublin v Mayo is a fine rivalry but a flawed one. Because only 1 team wins . Since Mayo defeated Dublin in 2013 Dublin have been unbeaten in 12 league and championship matchs v Mayo. That's a very uneven rivalry to say the least. I will put it simply belown
Kerry 00s ( 5 time All Ireland winners) v Tyrone 00s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Meath 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winners ) v Cork 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winner) = a great GAA rivalry
Kerry 70s ( 8 time winnerss) v Dublin 70s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Dublin this decade ( 5 times All Ireland winners) v Mayo this decade ( 0 times All Ireland winners) = I will let you do the sums. Can you see the difference in a real great GAA rivalry where two equal great teams go to battle.
Also to say Mayo are the greatst team from the west is madness. This team would not make the top 5 teams to come from the west
1 Galway 60s 3 in a row winning team. Beating Kerry in two finals. A Kerry team that had Mick O Connell and Mick Dwyer
2 Mayo 50 51 the second greatest team to cross the Shannon. Winning back to back All Ireland at a very competitive time. When you had great Cavan Meath Louth kerry and Dublin teams.
3 Galway 1956 I know they won just 1. But two word are suffice Purcell and McDonagh. Purcell they call him master. Possibly and probaly Sean Purcell is not only Galways greatest player but possibly the greatst footballer of all time.
4 Mayo 1936 Not just the All.Ireland but they won 6 leagues in a row . Enough said
5 Roscommon 1942 1943 They won 2 All.Ireland when the world was at war. Great achievement in the Emergency.
6 Joint sixth are - the Mayo Current team. One of the best teams to never win Sam and Roscommon late 70s One of the best teams never to win Sam" It's all relative. I've been following Dublin for 5 decades. 70s when I was a toddler with the Da, 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s. This is the best Dublin team that I have witnessed. The fitness, skill level, intensity, aptitude is light years ahead of anything that went before. We can talk about great teams in the 40s, 50s ,60s when fellas were on the jar during the week, smoking in the dressing rooms and they trained by doing 10 lengths of Banna Strand. The top teams these days would wipe the floor with them. Every forward now can score off both feet, can run full pelt for 80m or so, spends countless hours on conditioning, eats the best of food and drinks spring water. It's like comparing a modern day Ford Mondeo to a 1960s Ford Cordair. There are things to admire about the Corsair, it was great in it's day and outperformed its competitors, but the Mondeo of today is more advanced and is just better in every aspect of performance.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2017 23:55:33
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Yes Mayo are the greatest team in Connacht IN THIS DECADE
Yes Mayo v Dublin is the greatest rivalry IN THIS DECADE
But football did not begin in 2010. Allot of people are basing greatness on what they have seen currently. Gaelic football has 130 years of great games and teams. I would ask people to find out about past great players and great teams instead of saying the only team they have witnessed is the greatest. Most people would say Pele is the greatst soccer player ever. Most have never seen Pele play.
I will put it very simply Dublin v Mayo is a fine rivalry but a flawed one. Because only 1 team wins . Since Mayo defeated Dublin in 2013 Dublin have been unbeaten in 12 league and championship matchs v Mayo. That's a very uneven rivalry to say the least. I will put it simply belown
Kerry 00s ( 5 time All Ireland winners) v Tyrone 00s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Meath 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winners ) v Cork 80s ( 2 time All Ireland winner) = a great GAA rivalry
Kerry 70s ( 8 time winnerss) v Dublin 70s ( 3 times All.Ireland winners) = a great GAA rivalry
Dublin this decade ( 5 times All Ireland winners) v Mayo this decade ( 0 times All Ireland winners) = I will let you do the sums. Can you see the difference in a real great GAA rivalry where two equal great teams go to battle.
Also to say Mayo are the greatst team from the west is madness. This team would not make the top 5 teams to come from the west
1 Galway 60s 3 in a row winning team. Beating Kerry in two finals. A Kerry team that had Mick O Connell and Mick Dwyer
2 Mayo 50 51 the second greatest team to cross the Shannon. Winning back to back All Ireland at a very competitive time. When you had great Cavan Meath Louth kerry and Dublin teams.
3 Galway 1956 I know they won just 1. But two word are suffice Purcell and McDonagh. Purcell they call him master. Possibly and probaly Sean Purcell is not only Galways greatest player but possibly the greatst footballer of all time.
4 Mayo 1936 Not just the All.Ireland but they won 6 leagues in a row . Enough said
5 Roscommon 1942 1943 They won 2 All.Ireland when the world was at war. Great achievement in the Emergency.
6 Joint sixth are - the Mayo Current team. One of the best teams to never win Sam and Roscommon late 70s One of the best teams never to win Sam" How can three epic finals, one going to a replay with the aggregate winning margin being just 3 points after over 280 mins of football (4 games) not be consideted a great rivalry? That's baffling. Give me two other teams who contested 4 finals together in any decade where the winning margin (aggregate) was so close. 4 games that could have gone either way with just the kick of a ball. Epic rivals no doubt.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/09/2017 00:01:05
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If Dublin and Mayo isn't a good rivalry but Kerry and Tyrone from 00s is then I'm confused.
Is it because Kerry managed to pick up a few titles when someone else did the job on Tyrone for them that makes it a great rivalry between the 2 teams as opposed to Mayo (who have actually beaten Dublin in Championship in 2012) because they haven't won one yet?
If Mayo win next year without even playing the Dubs does that mean that now it can be called a great rivalry akin to Kerry/Tyrone? That seems to be the criteria here in anyways.
Or it could just be nonsense I suppose ;)
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/09/2017 08:34:54
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Replying To Furlong1949: "So where do Dublin come in the lIst of great teams. Well by winning 3 in a row they have to be considered one of the great team. For me it is impossible to top team 1 to ten 20 list. That's very hard to do. But you could have levels of greatness ,so this is may stab at it.
The top 4 are
1 Kerry 75 to 86 - 8 time winners a three in a row and 4 in a row. Until this Dublin team win 9 Sam's or a 5 in a row. This is the greatest no debate, full stop
2 Down 60 61. They might have won only 2 and many of team won in 68. But their impact on gaelic football is extraordinary. Their achievements are even more extraordinary. They had only won their 1 title their first Ulster in 59. It would be like Sligo or Wicklow winning three All Ireland in 2020s and beating a great Kerry team in 3 finals. Actually It would be like London wininns 3 All Ireland in 2020s. A team from the 6 counties wining all Ireland was not seen as possible. All the Ulster teams that won after Down Derry Donegal 90s and Tyrone Armagh 00s are standing on the showers of these Down gaints. If Down did not win 1960 there would have been no Tyrone in the noughties or Jimmy McGuiness in this decade . That team changed the face of gaelic football. They brought tactics to the table. Players not playing in position , short passing and breaking ball at midfield. They really revolutionised the game
3 Dublin 1974 to 77. I know this Dublin have won more. But that Dublin team also changed that Face of gaelic football. 1974 is the year zero for modern gaelic football. Before that everything was black and white. They brought color to the game. Heffernan changed the face of the game with tactics and the role of manger. They also creates hill 16 and modern Dublin.. Before 74 country lads won most of Dublin all.Ireland. After 74 it was now a team with Dublin lads. They also came from nowhere with only them and Meath in 96 the only teams that came from nowhere to win Sam. They also defeated the greatest team ever twice. For me still greatest Dublin team ever
4 Galway 64 65 66. To win three in a row. Again when you look.at connacht football. So few winners from a football mad province. A provience that has to deal with problems of emigration and rural depopulation
For a team to win three in a row is incredible.
Next level All Time great winners ( not in order)
Dublin 2011-2017
Cavan 47 48 52
Kerry 4 in a row 30s
Next level Great teams ( not in order)
Mayo 50 51
Meath 87 88
Kerry 5 times winners in 00s
Tyrone 2003 05 08
Next level Brillant-Great teams( not in order)
Kildare 27 28
Roscommon 2 time winners in the forties
Offaly 71 72
Cork 89 90
Kerry 69 70
Galway 56
Down 91 94
Next level Brillant teams but not truly great eg did not win a double or other reasons( not in order)
Mayo 1936
Dublin 58
Kerry 55
Meath 49 54
Louth 57
Cork 73
Offaly 82
Donegal 92
Meath 96 99
Galway 98 01
Armagh 02
That's my lIst of basically the best 30 teams ever.
The only counties missing from All Ireland great list of modern era winners are eg Kerry 97 2014 Donegal 2013 Cork 2010. All excellent teams all very good teams. But below all time winners mentioned above. Basically just outside the top 30 greatest teams ever. Still magnificent teams." What about the Cavan team of the 30s? Won 2 All-Irelands and beat the Mayo and Kerry teams you included?
Also the Wexford 4-in-a-row side must be considered no?
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 20/09/2017 12:32:30
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Lets just all agree everyone is great.
The past is no where really the only thing that matters now is next year, the time for weighing wont be on this Dublin team for a while (hopefully), some will laud some will detract, such is sport.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 20/09/2017 12:38:28
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Replying To Breffni39: "What about the Cavan team of the 30s? Won 2 All-Irelands and beat the Mayo and Kerry teams you included?
Also the Wexford 4-in-a-row side must be considered no?" When he puts the Kerry and Tyrone teams of the 00s at 8th and 9th at best, is their any point trying to argue?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/09/2017 12:55:53
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Replying To Lifford Gael: "There was never an intent to disrespect either Dublin or Mayo. The original statement I put up for discussion was based on how this Dublin team would rate in comparison to the great teams of old based on the fact that two of their three in a row All Ireland victories came against a county that hasn't won an All Ireland in 66 years, something many other posters have alluded to indirectly. Some great analysis given by some posters in attempting to rate this Dublin team against counties considered great teams in past generations. I don't think it's disrespectful to look at the opposition or quality of opposition in attempting to do this. For what it's worth, I feel the All Ireland's won by the Kerry team of the noughties are somewhat devalued considering 4 of them came against Cork and Mayo. This Mayo team however is streets ahead of the Mayo team of the noughties. Is it fair to say therefore that this Dublin team is streets ahead of the Kerry team of the noughties? Probably. Undoubtedly this Mayo team is the second best currently but will we look back in 20 years time and say they were second of a bad lot and therefore Dublins 3 in a row devalued as a result? All valid questions and no disrespect intended to two teams that gave us enthralling finals in 2016 and 2017." Surprise surprise, devalue the Dublin achievements. Mayo might be a county that haven't won an all-ireland in 66 years but the current team is not. Maybe as Daragh O ' Shea stated this morning in the Irish Times that these current teams, Dublin and Mayo are the best teams of the last 30 years. An opinion from an great ex-player. I am starting to get tired of this constant negativity about Dublin.
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Rubbish thread ...despite me commenting on the ref's decisions they might have got Sunday the Dubs will be remembered as on of the greatest teams ever and rightly so
BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 20/09/2017 17:00:03
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Replying To Breffni39: "What about the Cavan team of the 30s? Won 2 All-Irelands and beat the Mayo and Kerry teams you included?
Also the Wexford 4-in-a-row side must be considered no?" Yes. I believe Wexford are the current record holders for the longest winning streak of matches, going back to their 4 in a row. Not even Dublin or Kerry have that same length of winning run. Kerry won 16 games in a row in the 70s/80s until Cork had the temerity to hold them to a draw in the 1982 Munster final. Kerry's 4 in a row in the 20s/30s extended to 15 games until they were beaten by Cavan in the AISF or 1933 when going for 5 in a row. Dublin's current 3 in a row includes two draws. I think Wexford compiled 19 wins in a row or something, but I just looked for it on Wikipedia and couldn't get it.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 21/09/2017 19:18:30
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To back up my last post:
https://twitter.com/GAA_Stats/status/890945006281928704
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 21/09/2017 19:23:56
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Dublin's recent successes
2011 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Runners-Up
2013 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2014 - Allianz National League - Winners
2015 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2016 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2017 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Runners-Up
3 in- a -row Championships plus 2 others
4 in-a-row Leagues plus 2 runners-up
CrubeenBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 28 - 22/09/2017 19:39:27
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Team of the decade for sure. Also, it should be pointed out that they won 4 of the All Irelands by one point, the finals are great, therefore it is madness to split Dublin into 2 or more teams, it would be a disaster for the GAA financially etc
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 22/09/2017 19:55:36
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Replying To CrubeenBlue: "Dublin's recent successes
2011 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Runners-Up
2013 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2014 - Allianz National League - Winners
2015 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2016 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Winners
2017 - All Ireland Champions - Allianz National League Runners-Up
3 in- a -row Championships plus 2 others
4 in-a-row Leagues plus 2 runners-up" It does prove the consistency of Dublin. They have been to the forefront of football the whole year
round during their golden years. They have never gone away and hibernated. A truly great team.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 22/09/2017 20:09:27
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Yes. I believe Wexford are the current record holders for the longest winning streak of matches, going back to their 4 in a row. Not even Dublin or Kerry have that same length of winning run. Kerry won 16 games in a row in the 70s/80s until Cork had the temerity to hold them to a draw in the 1982 Munster final. Kerry's 4 in a row in the 20s/30s extended to 15 games until they were beaten by Cavan in the AISF or 1933 when going for 5 in a row. Dublin's current 3 in a row includes two draws. I think Wexford compiled 19 wins in a row or something, but I just looked for it on Wikipedia and couldn't get it." Our Kerry minors that just won the 4 in a row are 24 games unbeaten at the minute and they might still add to that next year.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/09/2017 21:14:40
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Our Kerry minors that just won the 4 in a row are 24 games unbeaten at the minute and they might still add to that next year." It is unrealistic to make comparisions with Minors. It is called the minor final for a reason.
I do not see Cork posters talking about their Ladies football team winning eleven of the last twelve All-Irelands,
in order to diminish the success of Dublin & Wexford.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 22/09/2017 21:51:12
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Our Kerry minors that just won the 4 in a row are 24 games unbeaten at the minute and they might still add to that next year." They cannot add to it, as it will be U.17 next year and Tyrone have won the U17 All-Ireland this year.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 22/09/2017 22:12:22
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Our Kerry minors that just won the 4 in a row are 24 games unbeaten at the minute and they might still add to that next year." Doesn't matter.
#footballisdeadyerra
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 22/09/2017 22:13:47
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Replying To Lifford Gael: "Does the fact that 2 of Dublins victories in their 3 in a row success came against Mayo tarnish what would otherwise be a great achievement? Discuss!" What an absolute stupid comment,just because Donegal are irrelevant anymore doesn't mean you have to be so bitter against the 2 best teams in the country.Not a huge fan of mayo because of local rivalries but my god they deserve praise not to be put down with ridiculous comments like that ,I'm a true gaa man and I appreciate great football and great football teams and mayo and Dublin are that ,fair play to the dubs brilliant achievement and are truly the benchmark can only see mayo or Kerry getting close to them
Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 22/09/2017 23:17:24
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