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I read some of these in the Sunday Independent yesterday. They're not bland and some might find them a better read than the usual watered down sports bio material.
However to me some of the quotes are trash talking that i don't think belongs in hurling. On playing Cork post their strike in the 2009 league.. 'we wanted to trample them into the ground like dirt'.. 'if we get a chance let's bury these fu**ers'.
Other common phrases 'Let's put hurling out of these fellas heads for a long time, let's psychologically scar these fuc**rs so much that when they come up against us in the championship, they'll run from us'.
I know a lot of stuff like this is said in dressing rooms up and down the country at all levels. However i didn't like reading it yesterday in print. There was a total lack of respect for your opponent.
I've read Cody and Shefflin's biographies, and the later especially was very respectful.
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I think its more to do with the different personalities within a team and how they look upon opponents and how they prepare themselves for a game. then as they retire its how they look back on the event. Henry Shefflin was just as ruthless just perhaps a more mellowed outlook. whereas Tommy Walsh doesn't seem to be to worried about ever sharing his!!
theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 04/09/2017 16:54:34
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Replying To Laois76: "I read some of these in the Sunday Independent yesterday. They're not bland and some might find them a better read than the usual watered down sports bio material.
However to me some of the quotes are trash talking that i don't think belongs in hurling. On playing Cork post their strike in the 2009 league.. 'we wanted to trample them into the ground like dirt'.. 'if we get a chance let's bury these fu**ers'.
Other common phrases 'Let's put hurling out of these fellas heads for a long time, let's psychologically scar these fuc**rs so much that when they come up against us in the championship, they'll run from us'.
I know a lot of stuff like this is said in dressing rooms up and down the country at all levels. However i didn't like reading it yesterday in print. There was a total lack of respect for your opponent.
I've read Cody and Shefflin's biographies, and the later especially was very respectful." I'd rather them be truthful, rather than respectful. Otherwise, I'm not sure there's a point in reading it. Jackie's account might give a more accurate insight into how that team worked, better than a sanitized version. I haven't actually read it yet, but if Jackie's version is as transparent as being reported, I'd actually regard that as being more respectful, because its honest.
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "I'd rather them be truthful, rather than respectful. Otherwise, I'm not sure there's a point in reading it. Jackie's account might give a more accurate insight into how that team worked, better than a sanitized version. I haven't actually read it yet, but if Jackie's version is as transparent as being reported, I'd actually regard that as being more respectful, because its honest." The truth hurts I suppose, they had us all under the thumb for the best part of a decade. You don't win 9 All-Irelands or whatever Jackie's haul was by being soft and cuddly. David Burke spoke about the 6 inches yesterday in his speech. During Kilkenny's prime most teams they played were psychologically beaten stepping out onto the fields.
I think it is sad that there is so much bad blood between the Cork and Kilkenny players from that era. Those Cork boys were brave with what they did, just like Galway with Cunningham. Jackie Tyrell should be counting his blessing that for all of his time playing for Kilkenny he had Cody as his manager and Ned Quinn as county chairman. Those Cork players had to deal with Frank Murphy.
He is probably only confirming what we all suspected. Even Cody's mantra about them being willing to kill for the jersey as opposed to being willing to die for the jersey gives a good insight into the setup. The story about Eoin Guinan wasn't nice to read, the poor fella, I felt really sorry for him. There is a touch of Keane Vs Ferguson about some of the stuff that Jackie is sharing about Cody.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 04/09/2017 17:41:10
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No everyone's replies ring true. That's top end sport.
Maybe it's something in me that when i read it he sounded more like Conor McGregor than my slightly romanticised idea of the irish sporting hero!! Maybe it's something to do with him an how he motivates himself. His is a physical corner back's story too, one with plenty of hurling in him but like all full back line members he needed to be a bit primal.
I suppose i'd always like to think that in the back of my mind nice guys can still win. I'd give an example but then i'm sure someone would have a bit of info that he she wasn't a nice guy! Ok we'll say DJ Carey and JBM as 2 nice guys who won plenty.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "The truth hurts I suppose, they had us all under the thumb for the best part of a decade. You don't win 9 All-Irelands or whatever Jackie's haul was by being soft and cuddly. David Burke spoke about the 6 inches yesterday in his speech. During Kilkenny's prime most teams they played were psychologically beaten stepping out onto the fields.
I think it is sad that there is so much bad blood between the Cork and Kilkenny players from that era. Those Cork boys were brave with what they did, just like Galway with Cunningham. Jackie Tyrell should be counting his blessing that for all of his time playing for Kilkenny he had Cody as his manager and Ned Quinn as county chairman. Those Cork players had to deal with Frank Murphy.
He is probably only confirming what we all suspected. Even Cody's mantra about them being willing to kill for the jersey as opposed to being willing to die for the jersey gives a good insight into the setup. The story about Eoin Guinan wasn't nice to read, the poor fella, I felt really sorry for him. There is a touch of Keane Vs Ferguson about some of the stuff that Jackie is sharing about Cody." Cody's mind set is something else. He came into a library i was at an event in 10 years ago and was passing time before it started. He picked up a few books in the gaa section. It just so happened that he picked out the 2001 GAA Year Book. The first thing he says was 'oh that wasn't a good year for us' and almost cried! He was so wrapped up in the loss (to Galway) 5 to 6 yrs on! One of the most unusual men i've ever met. He seemed emotionless bar KK hurling.
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Can't wait for this to pop through the letter box. Jackie was a an animal of a man, tough as nails. Personally this is the type of autobiography I want to read , pure honesty.
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Replying To Laois76: "Cody's mind set is something else. He came into a library i was at an event in 10 years ago and was passing time before it started. He picked up a few books in the gaa section. It just so happened that he picked out the 2001 GAA Year Book. The first thing he says was 'oh that wasn't a good year for us' and almost cried! He was so wrapped up in the loss (to Galway) 5 to 6 yrs on! One of the most unusual men i've ever met. He seemed emotionless bar KK hurling." Insane commitment to the cause by Cody. Cody changed the way he trained teams after the 2001 and 2005 defeats to Galway.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 04/09/2017 20:45:28
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Another GAA player book.
- I started playing at 6 years old. It was great.
- I played u12, u14, u16, minor, then made the county minor team.
- I played u21 for club and county
- I made the senior team. We won this, this, and this.
GAA autobiographies - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.............
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 04/09/2017 21:35:04
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Replying To Pinkie: "Another GAA player book.
- I started playing at 6 years old. It was great.
- I played u12, u14, u16, minor, then made the county minor team.
- I played u21 for club and county
- I made the senior team. We won this, this, and this.
GAA autobiographies - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............." Normally I'd agree with you but the extract in the indo looked good. He didn't hold back on Cody. Very surprising.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 04/09/2017 22:10:46
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