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Roddy Doyle. Typical Dub or the exception?

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Lads playing on pub teams or playing 5 a side is still lads playing soccer. What's your point there?

Also I think we can all see why you're only using soccer attendances in Ireland or TV viewership of soccer games in Ireland.

Its fairly disingenuous."
its comical to be as disingenous as that to ignore such an elephant in the room

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 02/09/2017 23:18:47    2042030

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It looks like I can only listen to the podcast if I subscribe €5 a month, plus VAT, to the 2nd Captains service. I like McDevitt but I won't pay to listen to podcasts. I'm a bit cynical of some of these Joe.ie and Balls.ie reports, some of them report stuff out of context for a bit of sensationalism. 'Doyle suggested here was an element of fraudulence about the Association.' What did he actually say?

There are people who love soccer and look forward to the PL season starting at the end of the GAA season. There are small crowds at GAA matches.

I like Roddy Doyle, a very good writer. If he was from Mayo I wouldn't think he represented the views of Mayo people. I think he represents his own views and has done well from doing that."
attendances at gaa matches are pretty good in all fairness for the populations in these actual counties..they are usually played in stadiums far too big also

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 02/09/2017 23:32:05    2042032

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "No your making the mistake of judging gaa as an international level when the sport is not international.
the arguement is about sports in Dublin
ronaldo or messi aren't born and bred Dublin people who represent Dublin,
Brady and Hendrick and Brogan are.
league of Ireland teams and Leinster rugby are compareable to Dublin gaa in attendance as they are all based in Dublin and pull support from that area."
More Dublin people world recognise Cristiano Ronaldo than Bernard Brogan.

That's my point.

It's fairly simple.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 03/09/2017 01:19:59    2042043

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C'mon Hill, Mes is right. 100% right. You know it too

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/09/2017 08:53:54    2042064

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To seanie_boy:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=hill16no1man:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "[quote=seanie_boy:  "[quote=GreenandRed:  "Have you heard this podcast an what he said? I haven't so I'm not taking an edited version if what he said in a podcast from an online tabloid journalist as gospel truth.

Doyle is a Chelsea supporter twice as long as the EPL has been around. No doubt some will think he's a Chelsea bandwagoner.

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I couldn't care less about who he supports and for how long. I prefer gaa and don't like his accusations that it's a non attended con job. Who does he think he is?"
Have you heard the podcast? Is he not entitled to his opinion even if you disagree with him?"]He is entitled but when he can't back up any point he makes then aren't we entitled to rip that opinion apart for what it is as somebody who just doesn't like gaa ?
ig your going to come out and paint a whole sport with one brush then you for to be able to take what comes back at you."]How do you know what he said?"]Wise up. Didn't somebody start the thread over what he said."]They started with an online site's version of what he said."]I checked out the piece myself on balls.ie. What is your point here are you saying he is being misquoted on there or something? He's one of these guys that say "we" when talking about EPL clubs. Now if the man has lived there for many years and attends games etc then that is actually fine by me. It's the lads here at home that speak this way that make me want to scream. It's a complete brainwashing exercise that has taken place with these lads and other lads in other countries also. They just pick a successful team and decide that's their team from now on. Same happens with Barcelona and Real Madrid who have fans all over the world. I loved playing soccer as a young lad,it's a great game. It's just nauseating to see Irish lads cheerin on EPL clubs when we have our own domestic leagues. If it was for the love of the game they'd be supporting home teams. Like I said they buy the glamorous EPL package cos it's a more superior product. Sad but true.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 03/09/2017 12:14:38    2042107

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Having lived in South Dublin for about 10 years now, by far the worst type of people when it comes to sport are the people from the country who took jobs in the city and suddenly started to like rugby in order to fit in with their upper-middle class south Dublin colleagues. It's nauseating. These people haven't a clue about rugby, they just use it as a step on the social ladder, along with trying to ditch their accent, I cringe for them.

When it comes to GAA on the southside, it has made remarkable inroads into schools and new clubs have been established alongside other clubs who are growing at massive rates.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 03/09/2017 17:48:08    2042232

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On a slightly related manner, the level of derison and hate towards hurling on the Sky Sports' FB highlights of today's final is bizarre and amusing.

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 03/09/2017 18:54:03    2042251

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Replying To Morty:  "On a slightly related manner, the level of derison and hate towards hurling on the Sky Sports' FB highlights of today's final is bizarre and amusing."
that coming from a nation thats been besotted for the last 20 years with the adventures of posh spice and jordan

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/09/2017 23:40:56    2042379

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attendances at gaa matches are pretty good in all fairness for the populations in these actual counties..they are usually played in stadiums far too big also
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1944 - 02/09/2017 23:32:05 2042032

absolutely right - next weeks under 21 final will have 15k minimum probably closer to 20k - how many other world sports will get that for underage sport

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/09/2017 23:43:08    2042380

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hillman if you base popularity solely by attendance figures then you could agrue that
1 rugby is more popular in cork than football - 7k at musnter game v treviso compared to what cork footballers normally get
2 rugby is more popular in waterford -3k at a munster pre seaso friendly compared to waterford football
3 rugby is more popular in dublin than hurling -compare leinster attendances v dublin hurlers

when in all probably none of the three statements is correct

judging popularity of sports is probably based on a combo of 1/participation levels 2/attendance levels and 3/ no of clubs/membership
no 1 its soccer and 2 and 3 its football (with hurling winning out in some counties)

(by they way i would certainly have been at the munster game to which you refer and would have gone home and watched the darts on the recorder)

id bet in dublin (hypotehtically) had a premiership team theyd fill lansdowne road each home game

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 03/09/2017 23:49:32    2042383

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Maybe more people would recognise Brogan than Brady but far more would recognise Ronaldo or Messi than either of them.

You're making the mistake of only looking at soccer in an Irish context (i.e. LoI and the Ireland team) rather than in a global context."
I got the Dart to the QF on 5th Aug. Liverpool played in the aviva that day. The Liverpool fans outnumbered GAA fans 2-3 to 1.

The recent success for Dublin has seen me note lots more young kids running about in GAA tops (Cuala and County) but still well behind soccer jerseys.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 04/09/2017 11:31:43    2042487

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It's hard to generalise but there is an anti-Gaa element in Dublin that would share Roddy Doyle's views. Thjey are generally older people in their 40s and 50s. They sneer at the perceived amateurishness of the GAA and think GAA football is a bastardised sport played in wet, windy grounds constructed out of breeze bloicks down the country.
Having said that, many Dublin fans are the sons and daughters of people born and bred in the country and who moved to Dublin for employment. Many of these were brought up with a love of Gaelic sports. Also, in areas where you have a strong club supported by the local schools like (St Vincents (Marino), Ballymun, Raheny and Clontarf you have a lot of kids who play football and hurling. These are Northside clubs but it's great to see clubs like Cuala, Ballyboden and St Judes thriving on the southside.
Go down to many grounds around Dublin on a Saturday morning and you will see hundreds of kids dreaming of emulating Fenton, Brogan et al. My young lad, who is 5, loves Ronaldo but he also idolises Stephen Cluxton. The point is he is probably too young to understand the cultural and political baggage that divides the two codes. In the minds of some, Soccer/ Rugby are modern, professional and glamourous while GAA is back dated, amateurish and rural based. I think much is being done now to deconstruct that kind of silly binary thinking. Through clever marketting the GAA has done much to update and glamourise our own native sports.
The bottom line is Doyle is not representative of most young sporting Dublin people. He is a bit of a dinosaur in his views on sport.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 04/09/2017 12:10:47    2042512

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Replying To MesAmis:  "More Dublin people world recognise Cristiano Ronaldo than Bernard Brogan.

That's my point.

It's fairly simple."
"More Dublin people world recognise Cristiano Ronaldo than Bernard Brogan".
Bernard Brogan is a nationally recognised figure. Even people who don't follow GAA would know who he is since he is on TV every night advertising Super Value's sponsorship of underage GAA.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 04/09/2017 14:50:51    2042572

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Bernard Brogan is a nationally recognised figure. Even people who don't follow GAA would know who he is since he is on TV every night advertising Super Value's sponsorship of underage GAA.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2708 - 04/09/2017 14:50:51


He sure is.

Doesn't take away from the point that more people would recognise Cristiano Ronaldo though.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 04/09/2017 15:34:47    2042585

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Every single poster on here knows that soccer is more popular in this country. That is except you. You are deluded and ignorant to the fact. The onus is on you to provide stats to the contrary."
bennybunny, you make a bald statement without any factual evidence that "soccor is more popular in this country" and yet expect others to provide evidence to the contrary.
I don't know whether Soccer is more popular overall or not. Obviously in City areas where there are League of Ireland clubs soccer is popular. I do know however that GAA is more popular in Kildare. Some years ago there was a Kildare team in the League of Ireland for a couple of years but they are now disbanded due to lack of support.They got absolutely no support from EPL supporters.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 04/09/2017 15:47:02    2042589

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Roddy Doyle - Ha Ha Ha

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/09/2017 16:04:25    2042596

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Replying To bennybunny:  "Leinster Rugby play in international competitions. Brady and Hendrick play in international competitions. You are happy to compare them because it suits your silly argument. I understand that you must do that of course as your argument has no substance or logic. You cannot provide any stats so you name a player that suits you and ignore anything that contradicts it."
No if you can lay off the constant bashing and debate without berating you will see they play their sport within the area of Dublin just like the gaa is played within Dublin where as
messi and Ronaldo don't play their sport in Dublin, they play on an international basis with world media coverage, just like conor McGregor who is more than likely Ireland's most recognisable sports person of all time now but that dont that make ufc Ireland's number one sport either now does it?
I already gave three categories to put my argument forward. I just haven't heard anything other than the line everyone knows soccer is to suggest it actually is.
bad monkey have attendance figures for the six dublin clubs home games combined which adds up to 7thousand whereas dublin bring in an average 25-30 thousand home games in the league and that's not even the major gaa competition.
take the fai cup final last year attracted 26 thousand between the top two clubs in the country just look at the ladies all ireland football final even attracted more than that in 34 thousand.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/09/2017 16:54:24    2042616

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Bernard Brogan is a nationally recognised figure. Even people who don't follow GAA would know who he is since he is on TV every night advertising Super Value's sponsorship of underage GAA.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2708 - 04/09/2017 14:50:51


He sure is.

Doesn't take away from the point that more people would recognise Cristiano Ronaldo though."
Tiger woods is more recognisable than joe canning because he is an international publicized sports person but does that mean golf is a bigger sport in Ireland than hurling?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/09/2017 17:10:09    2042628

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Replying To janesboro:  "hillman if you base popularity solely by attendance figures then you could agrue that
1 rugby is more popular in cork than football - 7k at musnter game v treviso compared to what cork footballers normally get
2 rugby is more popular in waterford -3k at a munster pre seaso friendly compared to waterford football
3 rugby is more popular in dublin than hurling -compare leinster attendances v dublin hurlers

when in all probably none of the three statements is correct

judging popularity of sports is probably based on a combo of 1/participation levels 2/attendance levels and 3/ no of clubs/membership
no 1 its soccer and 2 and 3 its football (with hurling winning out in some counties)

(by they way i would certainly have been at the munster game to which you refer and would have gone home and watched the darts on the recorder)

id bet in dublin (hypotehtically) had a premiership team theyd fill lansdowne road each home game"
If you read my posts I haven't judged anything solely on attendances
I have three main categories I suggest you look back at then and see.
I cannot speak for other counties in only able to judge within my own as I am there and see day in day out.
you referred to Leinster rugby in comparison to hurling in Dublin.
in attendances yes Leinster is ahead of hurling I don't think anybody will disagree, participation levels hurling is ahead, I would have them fairly evenly matched on most levels.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/09/2017 17:17:13    2042631

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Replying To janesboro:  "attendances at gaa matches are pretty good in all fairness for the populations in these actual counties..they are usually played in stadiums far too big also
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1944 - 02/09/2017 23:32:05 2042032

absolutely right - next weeks under 21 final will have 15k minimum probably closer to 20k - how many other world sports will get that for underage sport"
true

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 05/09/2017 01:36:51    2042848

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