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Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To Wally: "[quote=The_Fridge: "[quote=Wally: "Created the below topic on the Tyrone Forum, but sure here is my take on it I really don't want this to get into a Micky Harte hating thread, but surely now we can assume that some sort of plan has to be put into place for the future of Tyrone football. If not next year, then we have to start planning on replacing Micky at some stage and it clearly can't be left up to the man himself as he has made it perfectly clear that he has no intention of leaving anytime soon. Our brand of football at the moment will not take us any further than winning what is now a very weak provincial title. Micky has brought untold success to Tyrone over the years and we are all very grateful but it is getting a little bit ridiculous now. 15 years is too long to be still playing the same system and our management team seem unwilling or are unable to try anything different. I for one could live with a couple of years floating between division 1&2 and missing out on an Ulster title if it meant that we could develop our players to play instinctively again. It is now time for a change." Wally Did you and I not have a discussion on here regarding Micky Harte and your flip flopping? You change your tune when Tyrone lose a game." Are you completely mental? You and I have had several discussions about this and my opinion never changed once. I have always advocated a change of management."]Come on Wally, I'm not going to drag up our discussions from a few weeks ago, I and a lot of Tyrone supporters on he could clearly see you change your mind constantly. Just 1 more thing, you stated that you haven't been to Tyrone games in years. How come you were on here saying you are getting your ticket from your club for the semi? How's that bandwagon? Taking a ticket off someone actually supports Tyrone when the big game comes."]Give me an example of any time when I have backed the current Tyrone management team? On the contrary I have been highly critical of MH for a few years now. I really don't know why you are trying to suggest otherwise as you and I have had regular disagreements on this issue and I have never backed down on my assessment of the MH system of play. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 31/08/2017 11:20:37 2041067 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Micky and his back room team have brought numerous players from the u21 all Ireland winning team. It's a new team, won two Ulsters and got to the semis this year. They now see the standard where they need to be. I feel Micky should be given another 2 years to see where he can bring this team. It's not all doom and gloom." Head. In. The. Sand! Sure we will give it another 2 years. And then what? I doubt very much you will change your tune much then either as you are totally crippled by fear of trying anything remotely new. You and many others would rather we persist with the same manager and the same system indefinitely just in case the alternative may actually be worse. It's a horrible way to live life my friend. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 31/08/2017 11:24:18 2041070 Link
Replying To Wally: " Replying To The_Fridge: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=The_Fridge: "[quote=Wally: "Created the below topic on the Tyrone Forum, but sure here is my take on it I really don't want this to get into a Micky Harte hating thread, but surely now we can assume that some sort of plan has to be put into place for the future of Tyrone football. If not next year, then we have to start planning on replacing Micky at some stage and it clearly can't be left up to the man himself as he has made it perfectly clear that he has no intention of leaving anytime soon. Our brand of football at the moment will not take us any further than winning what is now a very weak provincial title. Micky has brought untold success to Tyrone over the years and we are all very grateful but it is getting a little bit ridiculous now. 15 years is too long to be still playing the same system and our management team seem unwilling or are unable to try anything different. I for one could live with a couple of years floating between division 1&2 and missing out on an Ulster title if it meant that we could develop our players to play instinctively again. It is now time for a change." Wally Did you and I not have a discussion on here regarding Micky Harte and your flip flopping? You change your tune when Tyrone lose a game." Are you completely mental? You and I have had several discussions about this and my opinion never changed once. I have always advocated a change of management."]Come on Wally, I'm not going to drag up our discussions from a few weeks ago, I and a lot of Tyrone supporters on he could clearly see you change your mind constantly. Just 1 more thing, you stated that you haven't been to Tyrone games in years. How come you were on here saying you are getting your ticket from your club for the semi? How's that bandwagon? Taking a ticket off someone actually supports Tyrone when the big game comes."]Give me an example of any time when I have backed the current Tyrone management team? On the contrary I have been highly critical of MH for a few years now. I really don't know why you are trying to suggest otherwise as you and I have had regular disagreements on this issue and I have never backed down on my assessment of the MH system of play."]You didn't answer my question. You said you haven't been to games in years but turn up for the semi final. Why go to the semi final if you haven't been to games in years? The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 31/08/2017 12:54:20 2041121 Link
Replying To Wally: "Head. In. The. Sand! Sure we will give it another 2 years. And then what? I doubt very much you will change your tune much then either as you are totally crippled by fear of trying anything remotely new. You and many others would rather we persist with the same manager and the same system indefinitely just in case the alternative may actually be worse. It's a horrible way to live life my friend." If we have went backwards in the 2 years then Micky will go. I think he would know that himself. The players still want him. That's what matters the most. It hasn't been a bad year for Tyrone. Ulster champs, stayed in div 1. Got to all Ireland semi final but beat by a better team. I feel the players let themselves down on Sunday, they played poorly. I feel Micky and this team should be given a chance to make up for that poor performance. They will have learned a lot from Sunday. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 31/08/2017 12:59:37 2041128 Link
Replying To Wally: "Head. In. The. Sand! Sure we will give it another 2 years. And then what? I doubt very much you will change your tune much then either as you are totally crippled by fear of trying anything remotely new. You and many others would rather we persist with the same manager and the same system indefinitely just in case the alternative may actually be worse. It's a horrible way to live life my friend." You said this 1 year ago. "What more up our sleeves? More than the 127 points throughout the league and the 3-14 against Derry and 5-34 over two games against Cavan in the championship?" Clearly stating Tyrone's scoring power and attacking play. Now after a semi final defeat you change your tune. There's more quotes from you that I could easily bring up. We have discussed this kid. Just stop before you make more of a fool of yourself. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 31/08/2017 13:10:26 2041135 Link
15 Years of great service with the senior team alone Mickey will go down with the greats. Unfortunately even with some of the greats finding the best time to leave seems hard to achieve. Micko maybe stayed too long with Kerry, Great servants such as Boylan, McGrath, Heffo, Coleman, Paudi, all were pushed out. Tyrone did not handled big Art's leaving well either. Time does move on Mickey is good for another year but I think it may be time to start afresh with a new long term plan for the next four or five years. The management of the All-Ireland U 21 winning panel should be given a shot to bring players like Lee Brennan through. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 31/08/2017 13:44:07 2041152 Link
He has to stay IMO better the devil you know boomerang (Mayo) - Posts: 49 - 31/08/2017 13:51:40 2041160 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "You said this 1 year ago. "What more up our sleeves? More than the 127 points throughout the league and the 3-14 against Derry and 5-34 over two games against Cavan in the championship?" Clearly stating Tyrone's scoring power and attacking play. Now after a semi final defeat you change your tune. There's more quotes from you that I could easily bring up. We have discussed this kid. Just stop before you make more of a fool of yourself." I think it is you who is making a fool of yourself my friend. Tracing through posts from years ago to try to prove a point is pathetic. That statement was clearly made in reply to at statement which questioned what we would have up our sleeve to accumulate more scores. I was just pointing out that we had accumulated serious scores at that point in time but again we were playing inferior opposition and in the championship and playing division 2 football in the league. As regards to attending the semi-final, I really don't see what your problem is? I have not been to a game in years and I decided to attend the semi final and stay over the in the capital for the weekend...sue me. Really wish I hadn't now after witnessing that muck. So I will make sure to come on here in two years when the team has regressed even further and ask you then if MH should step aside..I doubt very much your fearful attitude will have changed though. Also if the height of your ambition is to stay in Division 1 and win a seriously weak Ulster title then I am wasting my time even debating this subject with you any further. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 31/08/2017 13:57:52 2041162 Link
Replying To Wally: "I think it is you who is making a fool of yourself my friend. Tracing through posts from years ago to try to prove a point is pathetic. That statement was clearly made in reply to at statement which questioned what we would have up our sleeve to accumulate more scores. I was just pointing out that we had accumulated serious scores at that point in time but again we were playing inferior opposition and in the championship and playing division 2 football in the league. As regards to attending the semi-final, I really don't see what your problem is? I have not been to a game in years and I decided to attend the semi final and stay over the in the capital for the weekend...sue me. Really wish I hadn't now after witnessing that muck. So I will make sure to come on here in two years when the team has regressed even further and ask you then if MH should step aside..I doubt very much your fearful attitude will have changed though. Also if the height of your ambition is to stay in Division 1 and win a seriously weak Ulster title then I am wasting my time even debating this subject with you any further." Listen Wally. We aren't going to agree with each other on this subject. Probably better to draw a line under it. I feel you criticise Tyrone and Micky when it suits you, that's all. If Micky stays and wins an all Ireland we can all be happy. Or if a new man comes in and wins we will be equally as happy. Anyway club championship coming up so plenty to chat about on the Tyrone page. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 31/08/2017 16:08:43 2041235 Link
He has to stay IMO better the devil you know boomerang (Mayo) - Posts:18 - 31/08/2017 13:51:40 I think after 16 years or whatever a fresh voice might do no harm, there is no reason he couldn't step back in 2 or 3 years time if things do go south in his absence. Ultimately Tyrone football will continue long after Mickey steps down, and other budding managers will need to guide the ship. I admire Mickey Harte his tactical ability and his vast achievements, keeping in mind that Tyrone had never previously won an All Ireland when he brought them across the line in 2003. There are different mental challenge involved in bringing a County who never previously won an All Ireland or hadn't won one in decades to the top of the Mountain, than taking a County who regularly win All Ireland's to the top. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 31/08/2017 17:02:26 2041263 Link
I think Mickey should stay ... He has learned a lesson form the Dubs last Sunday and I think he will have his team adapt and be better prepared next year. The players seem to want him so.... He should stay. A great manager. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 31/08/2017 20:32:07 2041328 Link
Micky Harte voted back in for 3 years. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 05/09/2017 22:03:38 2043187 Link
I'm torn on this. Don't know if I wanted him to stay or not. Maybe a new manager might bring in a different style of play but then again until Dublin we were fine. Did he terribly wrong on the day? Or are Dublin just that good? I'm going to say somewhere in between. By right with that team we should at worst be loosing by 4/5 points tops. Not that pillaging. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 05/09/2017 22:11:04 2043190 Link
3 more years ...... Interesting waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 05/09/2017 22:13:22 2043192 Link
Tyrone county board once again bottle it we can now look forward to 3 more years of the muck we have had to endure over the past number of years and watch our best forwards playing at corner back again. 9 years and counting and we have failed to beat any of the top teams at Croke Park more of our best talent lost it makes the decision on the season ticket easier. someone wake me in 3 years when we are talking about 12 years without beating any of the top teams rahillyman (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 05/09/2017 22:22:46 2043194 Link
12 point hammering equals 3 year extension? spineless in garvaghey. its an outrage and the good people of tyrone should make their voices heard. southtyronegael (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 05/09/2017 22:56:21 2043210 Link
Arsene wenger syndrome A manager who Clearly has an arrogance and won't change his ways. Is stuck doing something that was successful long ago but is not going to take the team forward in the short and long term and both in serious danger of ruining their amazing legacy by staying too long. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 05/09/2017 23:03:22 2043214 Link
absolutely brilliant news...fantastic outcome for tyrone football...all the begrudgers and haters put back in their place and of course rte... mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/09/2017 23:09:02 2043215 Link
Time for Mickey to stand aside and give a younger, more clued in management team a go. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 05/09/2017 23:10:32 2043217 Link
Replying To rahillyman: "Tyrone county board once again bottle it we can now look forward to 3 more years of the muck we have had to endure over the past number of years and watch our best forwards playing at corner back again. 9 years and counting and we have failed to beat any of the top teams at Croke Park more of our best talent lost it makes the decision on the season ticket easier. someone wake me in 3 years when we are talking about 12 years without beating any of the top teams" thats fair enough..we won't have to listen to any more of your rants...bye! mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/09/2017 23:17:00 2043221 Link