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Is it foolish to trust ''the system'' too much?

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Replying To alano12:  "theres something wrong with people holding a bias against certain counties and not being able to understand the game at the same time..the idea that the likes of us or kerry have never played 'negative football' as you say when it suited us is naive in the extreme..every county plays to certain tactics depending on the opposition..there is no right or wrong way to play the game..its all about putting yourself in the best position to win and all the best teams can play any style they want"
alano12 great post and very honest. As you say, its all about trying to win a football game. Dublin have an amazing bunch of players and they can go out and probably play any system successfully, unfortunately not every team in the country have this talent at their disposal, therefore they have to try to come up with a system that makes them as competitive as possible. The best game Dublin got this year was against Carlow who played everybody behind the ball. Carlow are a Division 4 side and they actually competed well with Dublin until midway through the second half. It wasn't pretty to watch but I really admired the way Carlow played that day.

The key to success in getting the balance right between defence and attack. Tyrone got neither of those right last weekend, just a bad day at the office.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1237 - 30/08/2017 09:28:20    2040592

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it happened with tyrone on sunday. they were very very confident in their ability and in the system they played to the point where no one took responsibility. Players were covering space and pointing here there and everywhere but no one put in a tackle.
Are young players footballing abilities been stunted by this over reliance on a plan and less of an emphasis on their individual skills ?
theweanling (Cavan) - Posts:132 - 29/08/2017 12:32:23


Tyrone GAA have spent and lot of time and effort in developing their young players with all the key skills, but in truth they were simply tactically outfoxed on the day by an well drilled Dublin team, Tyrone again folded like they did previously in 2013, 2015 and 2016, but folding against this Dublin team can be very painful on the score board in comparison to folding against Kerry or Mayo (Who can also hurt).

The real issue in my opinion is that Tyrone still lack sufficient grit and also lack a few superstars, especially a larger inside forward with physical presence. The breezed through Ulster, meeting limited resistance from a lacklustre Derry, an severely understrength Donegal and an inexperienced Down side, before laying waste to Armagh. Tyrone looked extremely impressive, well organised, playing with real purpose and intensity. But unlike Donegal in 2014, Tyrone (With the exception of Sean Cavanagh) lacked big game experienced players who knew how to take the game to a team like Dublin and then see a game out.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3002 - 30/08/2017 09:29:01    2040594

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Replying To TheRightStuff:  "These threads are getting funnier by the day .

OMG people - Dublin play to a 'system '

Dublin drop at times 15 behind the ball.

You would think there is something wrong about having a system.

You know why Dublin are beating the system ?

It's because they have a amazing manager with phenomenal players who can play in a variety of ways .

Yous would think Gavin just decides on match day what way to play .

It's actually a disservice to a great manager and brilliant players .

These threads are laughable ."
I'm not trying to insult any teams here and i have great time for Donegal and Tyrone and was one of their biggest ''neutral'' fans in the day. I'm also not naive enough to say that teams don't need a plan. Of course you need a game plan, that's not even up for discussion. But take the game sunday. If Tyrone had to play with the plan they had in place and the ferocity of Mayo the previous day they'd have tightened Dublin at the very least. they seemed to have such faith in their plan that they seemed to forget the basics of ferocity in the tackle
that's not taking from Dublin in the slightest who are in the 5th all ireland as a team and on merit. they're an awesome side

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 246 - 30/08/2017 10:34:40    2040625

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Replying To alano12:  "theres something wrong with people holding a bias against certain counties and not being able to understand the game at the same time..the idea that the likes of us or kerry have never played 'negative football' as you say when it suited us is naive in the extreme..every county plays to certain tactics depending on the opposition..there is no right or wrong way to play the game..its all about putting yourself in the best position to win and all the best teams can play any style they want"
Well said, ultimately it's their loss too. There's so much football to be enjoyed if you can bring yourself to shake off petty tribal begrudgery.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11462 - 30/08/2017 11:08:21    2040648

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "Nothng wrong with the Tyrone teams of the 00's they played some good football and had loads of skilful players.Plenty wrong with this years Tyrone team they were dreadful at the weekend and if their defensive style being so easily dealt with by Dublin convinces people that maybe it's not such a good idea then that is good for the game.Tyrone were over hyped coming into the dublin match and the one dimensional nature of their play (which as fairly obvious before the match) was destroyed.

There was plenty worng with how Donegal played in 2011 , in 2012 they played good football because they could attack effectively and the purpose of their defenive play as to hel them win the ball back so they could get more scores.

I'm all for overly defensive negative football being beaten and being beaten over and over again until we get rid of overly defenive play from the game it's been proven now that it doesn't really work anymore.

Overly defensive play and an ephasis on that rather than skilful defens e and skilful attacking has bene a scurge on football and hopefully it dies out very soon.The ay Dublin defend by defending agrresively and stripping the ball form there opponents is teh way to defend."
dublin didnt allow them to attack offensively...tyrone have been putting up massive scores all year..why havent you given us any credit for stopping tyrone?..its all about getting the right balance like donegal did notably in 2012 compared with 2011...tyrone intended to hit us on the break as theyv done all year putting up big scores..we simply counteracted it and some of their players didnt perform..the reality is tyrone simply arent good enough anymore...name 1 top side tyrone have beaten since 2008 who they werent expected to beat

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2062 - 30/08/2017 23:36:05    2040944

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One thing that definitely seems very foolish is leaving a 5 foot 7in player to contend with 5 strapping backs when you are 4 or 5 points down! But when the 'system' is in place and ingrained players and managers are powerless to change.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 31/08/2017 03:23:16    2040967

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