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Cluxton for POTY?

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Replying To poguemahone:  "He did have a bit of a boo boo against Derry. Key part of the game and coulda been costly against a better team... couple of bad kick outs in the first game against Kerry and not great against Galway. So not an imperious championship by any means."
I was just about to say the same pogue, some differing revisionism on Clarke's season. A few excellent saves against Kerry seem to have blurred the lines a bit. His kickouts up until the replay have been fairly poor even if his shot stopping is excellent.
Cluxton's shot stopping looked to be on the wane up until this season but he's been making some superb stops as well as looking very assured under high ball. While his kickouts are still the best in the business, he's a shoe in for the goalkeeping all star.

keithlemon (Australia) - 29/08/2017 15:27:46    2040155

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Clarke has been very good but shaky at times
Cluxton has been back to 2011 Cluxton, big big saves, unbelievable kick outs and distribution. Rock solid under the high ball.
The Ice Man
Clarke will be remembered as a very good keeper
Cluxton will be remembered as the greatest keeper

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 15:50:18    2040176

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Clarke has been very good but shaky at times
Cluxton has been back to 2011 Cluxton, big big saves, unbelievable kick outs and distribution. Rock solid under the high ball.
The Ice Man
Clarke will be remembered as a very good keeper
Cluxton will be remembered as the greatest keeper"
Agree, but we are only assessing performance this season. Clarke has been the busier and has performed exceptionally. His kickouts have also improved immeasurably. To be honest I dont think either will get POTY but I would have Clarke ahead of Cluxton currently for the GK allstar

unclegerry (Mayo) - 29/08/2017 16:25:51    2040206

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Replying To keithlemon:  "I was just about to say the same pogue, some differing revisionism on Clarke's season. A few excellent saves against Kerry seem to have blurred the lines a bit. His kickouts up until the replay have been fairly poor even if his shot stopping is excellent.
Cluxton's shot stopping looked to be on the wane up until this season but he's been making some superb stops as well as looking very assured under high ball. While his kickouts are still the best in the business, he's a shoe in for the goalkeeping all star."
Yeah didn't Derry have one last free to win that game? If it had gone over, the keeper's mistake would have been the talking point.

poguemahone (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 16:25:54    2040207

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These POTY and all star threads are premature. So much depends on the all ireland final. Colm Boyle, Andy Moran, Cuxton, James McCarthy, Jack McCarthy, Con O'Callaghan, Keith Higgins to name some are in contention.

Laois76 (Laois) - 29/08/2017 16:36:16    2040223

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Replying To Laois76:  "These POTY and all star threads are premature. So much depends on the all ireland final. Colm Boyle, Andy Moran, Cuxton, James McCarthy, Jack McCarthy, Con O'Callaghan, Keith Higgins to name some are in contention."
*Jack McCaffrey

Laois76 (Laois) - 29/08/2017 16:43:13    2040233

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James McCarthy for me

tiobraid (Tipperary) - 29/08/2017 16:49:04    2040238

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If Rochford would let Boyler see out a few games he could be a shoe in !

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 16:51:14    2040241

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o callaghan or moran for me...james mccarthy our best player but probably doesnt do enough flashy things

alano12 (Dublin) - 29/08/2017 17:39:57    2040269

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Depends on the final, still up for grabs between 4 or 5.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 29/08/2017 17:46:45    2040272

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Odds reflect the money going on and while the Dubs have had their smoothest ever passage to the final, half the team being in the top 10 is a bit of a distortion. Players like Colm Cavanagh should still be in the running, but the season gets boiled down to a few games and results more than performances. If Dublin win Sam again there's a strong chance one of the Mayo lads listed will get it, or possibly Clarke, Higgins or even Tom Parsons, but in all honesty none of them will want another gesture of heroic failure. There's only one prize that matters.

Pericles (Mayo) - 29/08/2017 19:25:00    2040328

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As most posters say, it all depends on the final. I would have James McCarthy ahead of O'Callaghan, can't decide between Boyle and Moran, and I would have Clarke ahead of Cluxton (simply because Cluxton didn't really have an opportunity this year to show what he can do)

neverright (Roscommon) - 29/08/2017 20:05:57    2040347

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Strange things can often happen like 2 strong candidates from one county emerging (Seamie Callanan and Paudie Maher for Tipp hurlers last year) splitting their vote somewhat. I think Austin Gleeson may have benefited from this last year, though he had a fine year.

Laois76 (Laois) - 29/08/2017 20:56:04    2040380

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Replying To Pericles:  "Odds reflect the money going on and while the Dubs have had their smoothest ever passage to the final, half the team being in the top 10 is a bit of a distortion. Players like Colm Cavanagh should still be in the running, but the season gets boiled down to a few games and results more than performances. If Dublin win Sam again there's a strong chance one of the Mayo lads listed will get it, or possibly Clarke, Higgins or even Tom Parsons, but in all honesty none of them will want another gesture of heroic failure. There's only one prize that matters."
About time someone said it.

More people in Dublin = more punters = more money laid on their favourite players.

Cluxton breaking the appearance record will have been seen by many as another thing in his favour, Gavin bigging up his save in the Leinster final (when getting out of the way of Flynns shot would've been harder!), etc. .

McCarthy as mentioned before does a lot of unnoticed work. You're less likely to see your average punter back him based on that - considering your average Dublin fan can't tell the difference between Diarmuid Connolly and Eric Lowndes! ;)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 29/08/2017 23:09:53    2040484

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Replying To cavanman47:  "About time someone said it.

More people in Dublin = more punters = more money laid on their favourite players.

Cluxton breaking the appearance record will have been seen by many as another thing in his favour, Gavin bigging up his save in the Leinster final (when getting out of the way of Flynns shot would've been harder!), etc. .

McCarthy as mentioned before does a lot of unnoticed work. You're less likely to see your average punter back him based on that - considering your average Dublin fan can't tell the difference between Diarmuid Connolly and Eric Lowndes! ;)"
let Darragh O'Se put it right

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-do-we-take-for-granted-how-good-stephen-cluxton-is-1.3202513

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 30/08/2017 09:33:52    2040597

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Replying To unclegerry:  "Clarke has been phenomenal this year. Cluxton has had an armchair ride this season in comparison."
Clarkes kick outs were rubbish first day against Kerry. Haven't even thought how he played in other games. shot stopping top drawer.

Any number of Dubs could get it but lack of challenge probably against them.

Andy Moran and Aidan O'Shea excellent for Mayo. Higgins very foolish against Galway so I would rule him out. Colm Boyle excellent last few games but only playing 55 mins on av.

If Mayo win it will be Andy Moran unless AOS has a stormer. If Dubs win it could be any of them.

Mayonman (Galway) - 30/08/2017 12:14:44    2040683

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Clarkes kick outs were rubbish first day against Kerry. Haven't even thought how he played in other games. shot stopping top drawer.

Any number of Dubs could get it but lack of challenge probably against them.

Andy Moran and Aidan O'Shea excellent for Mayo. Higgins very foolish against Galway so I would rule him out. Colm Boyle excellent last few games but only playing 55 mins on av.

If Mayo win it will be Andy Moran unless AOS has a stormer. If Dubs win it could be any of them."
if u asked Dubs fans would they swap Cluxton for Clarke none would say yes
if you asked mayo fans would they swap Clarke for Cluxton a load of them would say yes

That's just a fact

Clarke is class
Cluxton is a different class

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 30/08/2017 12:46:03    2040699

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Replying To Pericles:  "Odds reflect the money going on and while the Dubs have had their smoothest ever passage to the final, half the team being in the top 10 is a bit of a distortion. Players like Colm Cavanagh should still be in the running, but the season gets boiled down to a few games and results more than performances. If Dublin win Sam again there's a strong chance one of the Mayo lads listed will get it, or possibly Clarke, Higgins or even Tom Parsons, but in all honesty none of them will want another gesture of heroic failure. There's only one prize that matters."
What would go against Cavanagh is the game on Sunday. Rightly lauded up to then as the perfect sweeper but against questionable opposition. Dublin eased through the defence. So no stand out performance in an SzF or final makes it impossible to be considered poty. May be lucky to get an all star as the finalists will offer more options for consideration.

poguemahone (Dublin) - 30/08/2017 13:07:43    2040710

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Replying To poguemahone:  "What would go against Cavanagh is the game on Sunday. Rightly lauded up to then as the perfect sweeper but against questionable opposition. Dublin eased through the defence. So no stand out performance in an SzF or final makes it impossible to be considered poty. May be lucky to get an all star as the finalists will offer more options for consideration."
I'd say Andy Moran is almost a cert to get player of the year. Cluxton in line for Player of the Century!

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - 31/08/2017 10:28:49    2041040

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It will be almost laughable if both gooch and cluxton retire with no POTY awards to their names

but then again..........

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 11:01:05    2041055

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