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Replying To Killarney.87: "In 5 or 10 years time this thread will be called 'Is Kerry's dominance bad for the game'. Dublin has had a conveyor belt of really good underage teams since about 2009z Kerry have won 3 minors in a row and are on course for 4 in three weeks time. These things are cyclical but at the same time it is sad to see such lack of competition in Leinster." are tyrone in leinster? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/08/2017 23:25:57 2040939 Link
so their seems to be some element of truth in my theory that young families both from dublin and other rural areas of ireland will see meath and kildare and perhaps louth as a destination for suburban living in the near future? this is exactly what happended in the 1970s and 80s. the destinations then were as now, semi rural, sleepy villages and small town within a reasonable commute to dublin city centre, those rural villages then were castleknock, knocklyon,blanchardstown,swords,palmerstown,lucan, sandyforde, bray, tallaght and ballyboden and kilmacud. now its a semi circle in the radius that goes from Drogheda in the north down to Baltinglass in the south with every town and village within this now seen as commuter suburbia. i dont belive we will ever see towns outside this radius ever see much more pop growth, places in Laois,Offaly, Longford or cavan will prob see more youth depoppulation due to migration dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 31/08/2017 00:12:21 2040952 Link
Replying To realdub: "Will you all be quiet if Mayo win? :D" If Mayo win, the team will likely lose several of its most experienced players. As AOS said, people's lives are on hold to win Sam. Couple this with a very weak performance at underage over the past few years and I wouldn't see them dominating. Can you say the same of Dublin ? Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 31/08/2017 02:11:21 2040959 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "are tyrone in leinster?" I'm not talking about this year Ziggy. I am talking about the last 10 - 15 years. I grew up on Mick Lyons putting the fear of God in the likes of Barney Rock. The epic games in 1991. Bealin missing a late penalty to take it to a replay. Nowadays you hope Meath can live with Dublin for 45 - 50 mins. I miss the old days when Dublin and Meath was a hard game to call and the neutrals like myself tuned in to watch it in expectation. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 31/08/2017 02:57:53 2040962 Link
Apart from all the issues of funding, population etc discussed here. Dublin's dominance would be very good for football if teams from club to county try and play their brand of football. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 31/08/2017 03:20:49 2040966 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Dublin will now become the all blacks of the gaa. They will dominate football forever and will only lose occasionally a bit like the all blacks in Rugby." They wont dominate forever, stupid post superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 31/08/2017 07:57:59 2040983 Link
Many people dont take in to account These Dublin players were exceptional at underage level right through to senior The next wave of Dublin players may be average No one knows I saw the great Kerry teams in Croker as a kid We thought they would dominate forever Then one day they were gone Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 31/08/2017 09:07:20 2041001 Link
I think Dublin's dominance is good for football, if no one team ever dominated a sport, budding players/athletes would have no standard of excellence to strive towards. Dublin's real strength is behind the scenes, they have got exceptionally smart people in key positions working for the greater good of Dublin football, something that doesn't always happen elsewhere. I really respect what they are doing, and think it should inspire others within the GAA GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 31/08/2017 17:25:45 2041272 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "I think Dublin's dominance is good for football, if no one team ever dominated a sport, budding players/athletes would have no standard of excellence to strive towards. Dublin's real strength is behind the scenes, they have got exceptionally smart people in key positions working for the greater good of Dublin football, something that doesn't always happen elsewhere. I really respect what they are doing, and think it should inspire others within the GAA" Agree with all your post Gary. It's very possible that this is an exceptional era for Dublin. They may return to 1990s and 2000s levels in a few years. 1 or 2 all-irelands every 10 years. They'll always be competitive but mightn't always dominate. Practically all the sporting empires fall. Liverpool of the 70s/80s. Toulouse and Leicester rugby dominating european club rugby in the late 90s and early 2000s. Kilkenny hurlers 2006-2015. Kerry 1975-86, Man Utd Premier League dominance 1993-2013. Even Real Madrid, who have a fair bit more money than Dublin, didn't win the Champions League from 2002 to 2014. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 31/08/2017 18:13:49 2041287 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "If Mayo win, the team will likely lose several of its most experienced players. As AOS said, people's lives are on hold to win Sam. Couple this with a very weak performance at underage over the past few years and I wouldn't see them dominating. Can you say the same of Dublin ?" No, probably not, but we're not going to 'own' the game the way people think. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 31/08/2017 21:39:56 2041369 Link
Who'd have thought 5 or 6 years ago that a Kilkenny senior hurling team wud get knocked out n the hurling qualifiers and Galway and Waterford wud contest the hurling final All empires come to an end lads ! rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 616 - 31/08/2017 21:47:08 2041376 Link
Replying To rossy15: "Who'd have thought 5 or 6 years ago that a Kilkenny senior hurling team wud get knocked out n the hurling qualifiers and Galway and Waterford wud contest the hurling final All empires come to an end lads !" Now you said it Rossy. The Roman Empire, even the British Empire ;) And they had serious resources. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 31/08/2017 22:40:57 2041403 Link
Replying To rossy15: "Who'd have thought 5 or 6 years ago that a Kilkenny senior hurling team wud get knocked out n the hurling qualifiers and Galway and Waterford wud contest the hurling final All empires come to an end lads !" And Kilkenny won 11 all-ireland senior titles between 2000 and 2015. That's dominance. Dublin have won 4 since the turn of the millennium. Kilkenny almost 3 times the amount the Dubs have in the last 16 years. They've a bit to go. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 31/08/2017 22:53:42 2041409 Link
It's very possible that this is an exceptional era for Dublin. They may return to 1990s and 2000s levels in a few years. 1 or 2 all-irelands every 10 years. They'll always be competitive but mightn't always dominate. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:971 - 31/08/2017 18:13:49 I don't think the standards in Dublin will drop anytime soon, but the standards across the rest of Country will need to start improving in order to catch up. And not just on the field, but also off the field with game development and even management practice at County board level. I'm not trying to add to the scaremongering over Dublin's recent success, I admire them, and think we should respect Dublin GAA for how organised they have become, how they have put really intelligent people in the right positions. Dublin had a hard look at the likes of Kerry and Tyrone back about 8 or 9 years ago, and built an improvised road-map of their own, and now they are reaping the rewards. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 31/08/2017 23:02:37 2041414 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "It's very possible that this is an exceptional era for Dublin. They may return to 1990s and 2000s levels in a few years. 1 or 2 all-irelands every 10 years. They'll always be competitive but mightn't always dominate. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:971 - 31/08/2017 18:13:49 I don't think the standards in Dublin will drop anytime soon, but the standards across the rest of Country will need to start improving in order to catch up. And not just on the field, but also off the field with game development and even management practice at County board level. I'm not trying to add to the scaremongering over Dublin's recent success, I admire them, and think we should respect Dublin GAA for how organised they have become, how they have put really intelligent people in the right positions. Dublin had a hard look at the likes of Kerry and Tyrone back about 8 or 9 years ago, and built an improvised road-map of their own, and now they are reaping the rewards." It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week. The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at . Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ? Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/09/2017 13:33:10 2041585 Link
No.We have created a monster.A bit like we created the Celtic Tiger. worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 01/09/2017 14:58:57 2041617 Link
The Dubs play brilliant football but every year they have showed they are beatable. Kerry have constantly ran them close, Mayo too. I think Mayo will be there or thereabouts again the next day. woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 01/09/2017 17:33:05 2041664 Link
Replying To Damothedub: " Replying To GaryMc82: "It's very possible that this is an exceptional era for Dublin. They may return to 1990s and 2000s levels in a few years. 1 or 2 all-irelands every 10 years. They'll always be competitive but mightn't always dominate. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:971 - 31/08/2017 18:13:49 I don't think the standards in Dublin will drop anytime soon, but the standards across the rest of Country will need to start improving in order to catch up. And not just on the field, but also off the field with game development and even management practice at County board level. I'm not trying to add to the scaremongering over Dublin's recent success, I admire them, and think we should respect Dublin GAA for how organised they have become, how they have put really intelligent people in the right positions. Dublin had a hard look at the likes of Kerry and Tyrone back about 8 or 9 years ago, and built an improvised road-map of their own, and now they are reaping the rewards." It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week. The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at . Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ? Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ?" People are only interested in the quick fix, a sense that money NOW will fix NOW, it can't and anyone who coaches these games will know the fix is spread in steps over 5/10/15 year periods. You have to get organised with the right people first and follow a program its boring, no immediate return but the pay back when it comes is far more sustainable. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 02/09/2017 13:59:35 2041811 Link
It may be a different code but take a look on Sunday , I mean really take a look at the conditioning of the Galway and Waterford players , think of what it took to get them there on Sunday , think of the coaching from an early age , the fitness programmes which Dan the Man talked about at length this week. The hours of practice to get to the skill level those lads are at . Ask yourself two questions are those lads on Sunday any better or worse prepared than Dublin footballers ? Secondly ask if those two counties can get to that elite level in that code what's stopping other counties from achieving it in football ? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4504 - 01/09/2017 13:33:10 To dominate Hurling and rival the likes of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford, Galway, Clare, Cork etc requires a lot more technical skill development at underage and club level within the County, otherwise Dublin and Kerry would already be dominating due to significant recent investment in Hurling from both. Whereas in football, Dublin were already at that top level of football in the mid to late 2000's and this added investment really just brought their already excellent systems that rivalled the other top sides in the Country to a superior level. Dublin started providing youngsters with a superior level of coaching at a very young age, and maintaining that high level of coaching the up through all of the grades. Its not that players from other Counties can't reach those fitness levels, its that those counties aren't able to match the resources required to provide youngsters with the same level or standard of coaching up through all of the grades. So other counties aren't developing players to as high of a standard as Dublin, which is starting to become more apparent in the last 4 or 5 years. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/09/2017 16:09:18 2041845 Link
People are only interested in the quick fix, a sense that money NOW will fix NOW, it can't and anyone who coaches these games will know the fix is spread in steps over 5/10/15 year periods. You have to get organised with the right people first and follow a program its boring, no immediate return but the pay back when it comes is far more sustainable. arock (Dublin) - Posts:3482 - 02/09/2017 13:59:35 2041811 I agree about there being no short term fixes, I admire the way Dublin GAA have managed this improvement over the last 8 or 9 years or so. A lot of other County boards would have blown that kinda money or managed it poorly, and not had the kop on or vision to envisage the kind of game development that would be needed at all age groups. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/09/2017 16:18:35 2041846 Link