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Is Dublin dominance good for football?

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Dublin are always good for Gaelic, posters have no problem with Kerry 4 in a row etc. Plenty of counties have the winter to put a bit of thinking into it. Mayo will beat them next month. 3+

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 28/08/2017 13:30:08    2039306

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Replying To Kildare30:  "Dominance in an amateur sport is a race to the bottom. Kildare and any other county in the Leinster province had no chance of beating Dublin either in the past 5 years or probably not for the next 2 or 3 years. You will get die hard supporters going to the games every year but the number is dropping year on year. We know the outcome before the games and its generally over first 10 minutes. It's not Dublin's fault but it is killing attendances because human nature being what it is people will follow and support success and will shy away when team has no chance of winning."
Have disagreed with you on many things. But you 100% right here.
I can see it at Meath games. Unfortunately the support is getting older, less kids is a huge worry. (I'm not talking about u12) who generally have little choice. But the teen brigade, they have little or no interest as they see the outcome already . And they are the future players. It's a major concern

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/08/2017 13:43:34    2039322

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But surely Dublin are no more dominant than Kerry teams of the past, especially the 4 in a row teams of the 80's. It definitely isn't good for one team to totally dominate but its up to other counties to catch up to Dublin. Mayo are not exactly a million miles away from Dublin, should have beat them last year.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 28/08/2017 13:46:36    2039327

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There is always better, fitter, faster and more skilful waiting in the wings from all teams
natural progression
Yes this Dublin team are good but they've set the bar ands it for the reasy of the teams to push to achieve the same standard

Kirkintilloch (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 28/08/2017 13:58:31    2039336

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Threads like this are very self defeatist and passive in my opinion, its up to other counties to knock Dublin of their perch they are there to be shot at every year.

Its competitive sport, players from other counties should relish the opportunity to have a cut of Dublin.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 28/08/2017 14:46:54    2039382

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Threads like this are very self defeatist and passive in my opinion, its up to other counties to knock Dublin of their perch they are there to be shot at every year.

Its competitive sport, players from other counties should relish the opportunity to have a cut of Dublin."
Exactly as I see it. We were labelled as vulnerable prior to yesterday and now we are back to being invincible cos we won comfortably. No reasons to think the final will be anything other than very tough.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 28/08/2017 16:39:27    2039446

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Yes Dublin dominance is going to kill off gaelic football.

Yes it will destroy it.

Driving through 3 midland counties today and no children playing gaelic football anywhere. They were all scarred after watching the match yesterday. Young lads practising soccer skills alright. A lot of counties are going to cancel their county championships in gaelic football from Senior to Junior. Shur what's the point in even playing club football against the rival neighbouring parish. Shur the Dubs have taken the good out of it. You couldn't ebjoy winning your county championship knowing Dublin are going for 3 in a row. By the time i got to Cavan all the young lads were taking up hurling. Rumours abound that the Derry minors and Tyrone U17s are giving up the game too. What's the point, in 5 years time Dublin will be beating them at senior level. Even though Bernard Brogan, MDMA, Cian O'Sullivan, McMannaman, O'Gara, Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Denis Bastick, Probably Philly McMahon, Paddy Andrews and Dean Rock will have retired.

Even in Kerry if Clifford goes to Australia, what's the point? Safer bet to go back to hurling, the county has an all-ireland from 1891..

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 16:41:20    2039448

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Threads like this are very self defeatist and passive in my opinion, its up to other counties to knock Dublin of their perch they are there to be shot at every year.

Its competitive sport, players from other counties should relish the opportunity to have a cut of Dublin."
Exactly. Such moaning. Revolve Dublin around the provinces, they have too much money, too big a population blady blah.

Just go out and play ball and get better at it. Train kids with both feet and hands from an early age. Let them do a bit of athletics or other sports and develop physically, get stronger and more pacy. Practise, practise, practise. Make love to the ball.

Every county should be able to produce 30 decent footballers from 20-32 or so with proper structures in place.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 16:54:14    2039456

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You'd think Gaelic Football men up and down the country were going to burn their balls the way some are going on.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 17:01:07    2039463

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Replying To Laois76:  "You'd think Gaelic Football men up and down the country were going to burn their balls the way some are going on."
We all love to watch tight tense matches. The semi final of Mayo v kerry, galway v tipp and Waterford v cork in the hurling was full of excitement and edge of the seat stuff. I don't think the 83000 yesterday at croke experienced this. It just felt very one sided. I think this dublin team are accellerating away from the chasing pack. Mayo may test them better than the other teams have done to date but i feel mayo are not a team on the up, they are at their peak. Dublin are getting stronger and stronger and at this rate there will be many more dublin games with similar excitement levels to yesterday.

downtothecore (Down) - Posts: 349 - 28/08/2017 17:59:29    2039492

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what's with this bs about dublins dominance, it's up to the rest to emulate and surpass what Dublin have done so far, adjust your tactics to defeat them or just drop back further. Maybe yesterdays dominance over tyrone will stop the shyte of blanket defences and get back to fast flowing football instead of bast-rdised basketball tactics and lying back waiting for the opposition to make a mistake so you can break at speed. Teams will win nothing waiting for the ball and if you aint got the ball you certainly won't score. It's now upto the rest including tyrone to come up with a game plan. The resources are there no matter what people say in most of the bigger counties and county players certainly don't want for anything possibly a bit more family and club time. The paranoia of some folks is just sour grapes and if resources are being wasted or used the wrong way then it's upto the clubs and members to call for changes. check the last set of county team expenditure figures to see who's spending what and does it equate with success

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 28/08/2017 18:01:19    2039495

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Replying To downtothecore:  "We all love to watch tight tense matches. The semi final of Mayo v kerry, galway v tipp and Waterford v cork in the hurling was full of excitement and edge of the seat stuff. I don't think the 83000 yesterday at croke experienced this. It just felt very one sided. I think this dublin team are accellerating away from the chasing pack. Mayo may test them better than the other teams have done to date but i feel mayo are not a team on the up, they are at their peak. Dublin are getting stronger and stronger and at this rate there will be many more dublin games with similar excitement levels to yesterday."
We should at least reserve judgement until after the final. Mayo deserve that after beating Dublin in 2012, losing by a point in the final in 2013 and bringing them to replays over the last 2 years.

Dublin have a huge crew over 30. All the big name subs, Flynn, Brogan, MDMA, O'Gara, Connolly etc. Teams are beating them underage. Kildare minors for 3 years until this year in Leinster. Yesterday's minor and U17 games. It's not like Kilkenny in 2008 when they won Intermediate, minor, U21 and did a 3 in a row senior.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 18:18:01    2039511

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Replying To downtothecore:  "It's not dublin problem, however the reality is that this level dominance is not good for football. Other county players will loss interest if they they think they haven't a chance to win an AI medal."
Why did nobody care in 2014 when Dublin had won 9 of the last 10 leinsters? How do you think counties in leinster feel? It's now 13/14 leinsters and next year it will be 14/15.

I love how nobody cared about Dublin dominance when it just affected leijste the but you all care now. the reality is we seen what happens. In hurling kilkenny dominated and attendances plummeted. Now that it's competitive again they've exploded. Same will happen with football.

Leinster championship attendances have plummeted and all Ireland attendances will too if Dublin continue to dominate.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 28/08/2017 19:50:08    2039573

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "what's with this bs about dublins dominance, it's up to the rest to emulate and surpass what Dublin have done so far, adjust your tactics to defeat them or just drop back further. Maybe yesterdays dominance over tyrone will stop the shyte of blanket defences and get back to fast flowing football instead of bast-rdised basketball tactics and lying back waiting for the opposition to make a mistake so you can break at speed. Teams will win nothing waiting for the ball and if you aint got the ball you certainly won't score. It's now upto the rest including tyrone to come up with a game plan. The resources are there no matter what people say in most of the bigger counties and county players certainly don't want for anything possibly a bit more family and club time. The paranoia of some folks is just sour grapes and if resources are being wasted or used the wrong way then it's upto the clubs and members to call for changes. check the last set of county team expenditure figures to see who's spending what and does it equate with success"
err...resources?...dp you realise whats going on in dublin?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 28/08/2017 20:15:51    2039590

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "err...resources?...dp you realise whats going on in dublin?"
yes I realise what's going on in Dublin, but i'm also well aware of what's going on up in garvaghy's windfarm and the resources that are given to the tyrone senior footballers and the backroom team that's half of the footballers in numbers

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 28/08/2017 20:56:56    2039605

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Replying To Laois76:  "Yes Dublin dominance is going to kill off gaelic football.

Yes it will destroy it.

Driving through 3 midland counties today and no children playing gaelic football anywhere. They were all scarred after watching the match yesterday. Young lads practising soccer skills alright. A lot of counties are going to cancel their county championships in gaelic football from Senior to Junior. Shur what's the point in even playing club football against the rival neighbouring parish. Shur the Dubs have taken the good out of it. You couldn't ebjoy winning your county championship knowing Dublin are going for 3 in a row. By the time i got to Cavan all the young lads were taking up hurling. Rumours abound that the Derry minors and Tyrone U17s are giving up the game too. What's the point, in 5 years time Dublin will be beating them at senior level. Even though Bernard Brogan, MDMA, Cian O'Sullivan, McMannaman, O'Gara, Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Denis Bastick, Probably Philly McMahon, Paddy Andrews and Dean Rock will have retired.

Even in Kerry if Clifford goes to Australia, what's the point? Safer bet to go back to hurling, the county has an all-ireland from 1891.."
Laois 76, seriously do you have a split personality or something? (901 and 901)) You have posted two consecutive posts, each contradicting the other. On one hand you're are telling us it will destroy football, while on the other, you're telling us it's up to other counties to make the best use of their resources and stop moaning!!cop on and train properly!!! Did you forget you had
already logged in under your alter ego?????

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 28/08/2017 21:24:33    2039632

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No & the massive funding into Dublin Gaa is a scandal at this stage, when Gaa in some counties is on the verge. Some clubs in Dublin have bigger turnover than some county set ups. 1.3 million people with best access to numbers, highest media profile, easy access to Croke Park so kids can see games, sponsorships, funding from the Gaa. The whole thing is skewed but governance in Croke Park can't see beyond Dublin.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 28/08/2017 21:27:18    2039635

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Replying To avonali:  "Laois 76, seriously do you have a split personality or something? (901 and 901)) You have posted two consecutive posts, each contradicting the other. On one hand you're are telling us it will destroy football, while on the other, you're telling us it's up to other counties to make the best use of their resources and stop moaning!!cop on and train properly!!! Did you forget you had
already logged in under your alter ego?????"
OK...silly me. I missed the obvious irony in your earlier post. Apologies.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 28/08/2017 21:51:45    2039660

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Replying To avonali:  "OK...silly me. I missed the obvious irony in your earlier post. Apologies."
Your fine avonali! I can't say anything too nice too you now or certain posters will accuse me of 'brown nosing'!!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 22:07:49    2039678

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Replying To moc.dna:  "No & the massive funding into Dublin Gaa is a scandal at this stage, when Gaa in some counties is on the verge. Some clubs in Dublin have bigger turnover than some county set ups. 1.3 million people with best access to numbers, highest media profile, easy access to Croke Park so kids can see games, sponsorships, funding from the Gaa. The whole thing is skewed but governance in Croke Park can't see beyond Dublin."
A scandal? Is the gaa not a democratic organisation whereby all counties are represented at the Annual Congress where decisions are made and so forth.

As we stand Dublin have put back to back all-irelands in senior football. Kerry did that a decade ago and no one called it a scandal. Maybe my eyes deceived me yesterday but Derry beat Dublin to make the all-ireland minor final and Roscommon, a small rural county, and Tyrone played in the U17 football final.

Your own county is big enough to cater for both codes but seem to be badly managed in football i feel. Eamonn O'Hara's rant about Kevin Walsh had a ring of truth to it.

The all-ireland final between Mayo and Dublin has to be played yet. Tyrone were very poor yesterday. Once the goal was scored they stayed in their defence shell like Donegal do. Dublin players hadn't a hand laid on them for the majority of the game.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 22:15:35    2039682

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