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Replying To gotmilk: "Jesus bit of a risky game to learn a lesson in." Just trying to see the glass half full... Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 23/08/2017 13:12:03 2036754 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "Jesus bit of a risky game to learn a lesson in." Balls of steel on our Stephen! GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 23/08/2017 14:05:37 2036787 Link
media experts have put him under pressure to start Aidan in forwards, but Rochford knows how to mix it up, great leader. Mayo to topple the Kingdom. Bring Sam west. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 23/08/2017 16:17:16 2036839 Link
Replying To Scarabin: "I dont think its all about the age I was reading a great article by a Rugby coach Its how many consecutive years a player has been on the pitch pushing himself Keegan looked to be struggling also" Don't think he was struggling he was just marking someone who was man marking him and able to do it for 70 mins. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 25/08/2017 18:09:57 2037682 Link
Replying To GameOfTyrones: "I feel like if Horan kept going with these lot they'd have their All-Ireland by now. Not a fan of Rochford's tactics. He's finally brought a decent attacking running game in since the Rosscomon game, before that Mayo were playing basketball out by the 45 most of their games. Even when most here said Mayo are over the hill this year I didn't believe it. This isn't their last year up there either. They have a whole crop of U-21s people forget about who will in time fill the boots of the old stock when they pass on. I thought it's purely down to management and that seems to be mostly true. They have a very good team and can win an AI but these brave tactical calls are often losing or drawing them games they should be winning. O'Sea call was decent to be fair as it cancelled the ariel threat but Rochford has the worst habit I've ever seen in subbing off playing who are doing well it just baffles me sometimes. For all the complaining people do on Mayo forwards I actually feel they're fine in that department , it's historically always been their defence that has let them down with goals and letting teams back into games with silly frees." Yes i think Horan would have gotten there. When you think of how close Mayo have been over the 3 years since he retired. He surely wouldn't have dropped Clarke?? Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 25/08/2017 23:16:07 2037799 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Yes i think Horan would have gotten there. When you think of how close Mayo have been over the 3 years since he retired. He surely wouldn't have dropped Clarke??" If Rochford does it this year then well done he will have proved me wrong... but I genuinely feel if Horan was there a few more years he would have pulled the best out of this team and eventually dragged them over the line. And aye I agree with you, I doubt he would have dropped clarke, or taken off players when they're playing a man of the match performance. It's brave and all that but sometimes it's better to go for the simple things and it cost them an AI. Mickey Harte sometimes does a few brave calls but nothing as rash as Rochford. I just really and truly can't understand the logic of pulling off players playing a great game. As some here said before me stamina isn't effected by age only pace. Yes you want to bring on speedy players at the end but don't be pulling of players when they are having a stormer. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 25/08/2017 23:46:38 2037804 Link
Replying To HuddHastings: "as the week goes on there seems to be a fair bit of revisionism around the AOS at fullback move! It blatantly didnt work last week, after Andy Moran Donaghy was the most influential player on the pitch, most of Kerrys good play went through his hands, he had about 10 yards of space anytime he got the ball, AOS wasnt within sight of him for the KD point or O'Briens goal, cant believe there are some saying it worked. Crazy stuff" It worked because the high ball wasn't an option. Donaghy has many other talents apart from the high ball which is how he helped out with so many scores but for once he wasn't getting huge scores as well as aiding scores which he usually does both against Mayo. If you have watched Mayo in the last 11 years against Kerry in the championship you'll notice that they have been bet by Kerry almost every single time down to one man (Donaghy) and his high balls. He always used to score and set up through non high balls too and contribute with lay offs etc....So it's effective in the fact for the first time in recent Championship memory Mayo have somewhat stopped Donaghy's high ball game. Not the rest of his game but his high ball game( apart from one incident), which is a partial victory. That's why it's viewed as a success. Not a full success I would say but yes a partial success and a better option than they have been using for a while. If want too see why it's viewed as a success just have a look at the highlights of the 2006 final and Donaghy's massacre of Mayo defence. You could also argue he was the changing factor in the 2014 meeting as well. So if they stop his high ball game it's viewed as a partial success and understandably so. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 26/08/2017 00:00:53 2037807 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Yes i think Horan would have gotten there. When you think of how close Mayo have been over the 3 years since he retired. He surely wouldn't have dropped Clarke??" Clarke wouldn't have been starting under Horan. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 26/08/2017 06:58:04 2037831 Link
Replying To Laois76: "Yes i think Horan would have gotten there. When you think of how close Mayo have been over the 3 years since he retired. He surely wouldn't have dropped Clarke??" Horan never improved the defensive setup in his 4 years in charge. Made them a fitter team, more self-belief but too prone to concede easy scores. Fairly orthodox formations, too predictable at times. Plus he had them peaking around quarter final stage. Rochford has them peaking later in the season. Defence isn't just the job of 6 defenders now. Sweeper, double sweeper, putting Lee fullback, trying Kevin Mc, Keith, Barry Moran as sweepers. Rochford will look game on game. I'd argue that previous managers relied too much on gungho football, outscoring the opposition. As crazy as some of Rochford's call seem we now have some pragmatism. See last years Tyrone game. I never thought I'd see the day Mayo would play like that. But I'm glad we did. We spent so many years repeating the same mistakes and not trying anything new. At least Rochford will try new things and is willing to be judged if they fail. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 26/08/2017 10:51:58 2037872 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Horan never improved the defensive setup in his 4 years in charge. Made them a fitter team, more self-belief but too prone to concede easy scores. Fairly orthodox formations, too predictable at times. Plus he had them peaking around quarter final stage. Rochford has them peaking later in the season. Defence isn't just the job of 6 defenders now. Sweeper, double sweeper, putting Lee fullback, trying Kevin Mc, Keith, Barry Moran as sweepers. Rochford will look game on game. I'd argue that previous managers relied too much on gungho football, outscoring the opposition. As crazy as some of Rochford's call seem we now have some pragmatism. See last years Tyrone game. I never thought I'd see the day Mayo would play like that. But I'm glad we did. We spent so many years repeating the same mistakes and not trying anything new. At least Rochford will try new things and is willing to be judged if they fail." Very good assessment but there is no escaping the fact that the Clarke issue on the eve of an All Irl final was a huge error & one that even very experienced & successful managers said was the wrong call & ultimately cost them a deserved All Ireland medal as they were miles better team. That decision will haunt him forever, but yes he is light years ahead of Horan & your assessment of Horan is spot on. The number of jobs Horan is linked with is remarkable given his failure with very talented Mayo teams, he isn't in the same league as the calibre of guys such as Pete Mc Grath. Today I am hoping Rochford plays either Parsons or Vaughan on Donaghy & that Aidan O Shea plays in midfield or centre forward running down the throat of Kerry. Good luck to Mayo today, hard direct running at this Kerry defence & targetting Enright & Young. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 26/08/2017 11:44:11 2037892 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Clarke wouldn't have been starting under Horan." He was a Hennelly man alright. But i suppose The Flaker the point i was trying to make was that if Clarke had been playing that well in goal (say Hennelly was injured earlier in the season) he'd hardly drop him for a replayed All-Ire.. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 26/08/2017 12:10:40 2037902 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Horan never improved the defensive setup in his 4 years in charge. Made them a fitter team, more self-belief but too prone to concede easy scores. Fairly orthodox formations, too predictable at times. Plus he had them peaking around quarter final stage. Rochford has them peaking later in the season. Defence isn't just the job of 6 defenders now. Sweeper, double sweeper, putting Lee fullback, trying Kevin Mc, Keith, Barry Moran as sweepers. Rochford will look game on game. I'd argue that previous managers relied too much on gungho football, outscoring the opposition. As crazy as some of Rochford's call seem we now have some pragmatism. See last years Tyrone game. I never thought I'd see the day Mayo would play like that. But I'm glad we did. We spent so many years repeating the same mistakes and not trying anything new. At least Rochford will try new things and is willing to be judged if they fail." It's all true Green and Red. He has them peaking later. He has a better defensive setup. But that's all ruined when he gets the basics wrong like team selection and substitutions in my opinion. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 26/08/2017 12:13:14 2037905 Link
ridiulous thread..listen to his interview on the gaa hour. dunphy1 (Galway) - Posts: 30 - 26/08/2017 12:13:18 2037906 Link
Replying To Laois76: "He was a Hennelly man alright. But i suppose The Flaker the point i was trying to make was that if Clarke had been playing that well in goal (say Hennelly was injured earlier in the season) he'd hardly drop him for a replayed All-Ire.." Hardly is right but just goes to show Horan for all his brilliance was flawed. Dropped Clarke and stuck with Hennelly, for match ups all wrong in 2012, left Higgins marking an injured player for most of second half in 2013 final, and didn't make a switch to counter Donaghy in both games in 2014. I have highlighted plenty of mistakes Rochford has made but he gets over the top criticism as well. Nobody even mentioning the fact Kerry did nothing to close down the space the Mayo inside line had the last day. Only focus is on Rochford mistakes. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 26/08/2017 12:40:01 2037918 Link
Replying To Laois76: "It's all true Green and Red. He has them peaking later. He has a better defensive setup. But that's all ruined when he gets the basics wrong like team selection and substitutions in my opinion." No doubt about that. Dropping Clarke was a massive error. But people rarely focus on the good calls he makes. He took one of the greatest teams ever to a replay in the final in his first year managing intercounty. We could fall flat today and the knives will be sharpened for Stephen. I think that would be wrong. O'Mahony, Maughan, Moran and Connelly/Holmes are probably not remembered for for been criticised for any unorthodox decisions that went wrong. Because they were fairly predictable and we got to finals or lost semi finals, again! I know well he makes bizarre decisions, risky ones. But we can only do groundhog days so many times before enough is enough. He has the balls to make decisions. His predecessors did very little to change how we played. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 26/08/2017 12:43:46 2037920 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Hardly is right but just goes to show Horan for all his brilliance was flawed. Dropped Clarke and stuck with Hennelly, for match ups all wrong in 2012, left Higgins marking an injured player for most of second half in 2013 final, and didn't make a switch to counter Donaghy in both games in 2014. I have highlighted plenty of mistakes Rochford has made but he gets over the top criticism as well. Nobody even mentioning the fact Kerry did nothing to close down the space the Mayo inside line had the last day. Only focus is on Rochford mistakes." That's true about Hennelly being picked in the first place. I suppose looking at a few kick outs that went astray from Clarke the last day you can see why Hennelly was in pole position for so long and maybe some justification for bringing him in for the Dublin replay last year. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 26/08/2017 14:25:17 2037946 Link
Replying To Laois76: "That's true about Hennelly being picked in the first place. I suppose looking at a few kick outs that went astray from Clarke the last day you can see why Hennelly was in pole position for so long and maybe some justification for bringing him in for the Dublin replay last year." Nah no justification last year. Mayo had a problem period the last day with kickouts but every team will if the other team is alive to all options. Even Cluxton at times had issues, not very often mind you. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 26/08/2017 14:47:23 2037952 Link
If Rochford puts AOS into the full back line again he should be shown the door jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 26/08/2017 14:54:39 2037955 Link
The much maligned Rochford, me being a main cheer leader, got most things right today. Only fair to point out. Aidan O'Shea's more varied role especially. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 26/08/2017 18:10:06 2038128 Link
Replying To Laois76: "The much maligned Rochford, me being a main cheer leader, got most things right today. Only fair to point out. Aidan O'Shea's more varied role especially." Some of the best players all year, Boyle and Moran stayed on for the full game today and that proves the point that a few have been making- you do not rely on GPS to determine how well a guy is playing as it should be fairly obvious. Well done Mayo and hard luck Kerry. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/08/2017 19:57:46 2038201 Link